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DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.

Hollismason posted:

They let me go in the booth with my Dad and he said I could pull lever and vote for who I wanted to.

See, when I was in 8th grade during the Bush/Gore Election, my (rural Kansas) school actually held a mock presidential election for the students. I was the only kid in my class who voted for Gore because the (old, white, male) teacher brow beat everyone else to vote Bush. Said teacher shouted me down and told me to "Stop being a pussy or go move to Japan" because I voted for the LIEberal dummycrat.

That was the last year my school did mock elections. They guised it as "These political conversations are getting too heated on both sides" and hand waived it away.

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delfin
Dec 5, 2003

SNATTER'S ALIVE?!?!
When I was in middle school, my (suburban Philly) school held its own mock presidential election for the students. I helped implement it -- we had Commodore PETs on carts rolling from classroom to classroom recording votes. In the interest of fairness, we had all candidates we could find who were running on the ballot, not just the big two.

And that is how my classmates elected Gus Hall, Communist Party USA by a substantial margin until the admins made us take his votes and split them between Mondale and Reagan evenly.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Its nice that a weasel can "apologize to families" in court and turn 29 dead into a misdemeanor. It be great if a crazy red neck got his hands on Blankenshit and we never saw him again, but they only go after easy targets that don't poison their water and kill their kin.

menino
Jul 27, 2006

Pon De Floor

Luigi Thirty posted:

I saw people in the personal finance Reddit talking about how this is actually horrible because it will make retirement funds more expensive and harder to find financial advisers or something.

I don't see how this would affect the big Vanguard funds at all.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

Hollismason posted:

They let me go in the booth with my Dad and he said I could pull lever and vote for who I wanted to.

Voter fraud is real. They warned us but we didn't listen.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!
This is a loving terrible interview for Bernie Sanders.

quote:

Daily News: Senator, I wanted to ask you. Because you've got this enormous support from young people, as President Obama did in 2008 and 2012. And you're promising a political revolution. But, if nothing changes in the Senate and in the House of Representatives, how are you going to be able to get anything done? I mean the real issue to me seems to be, what happens in the Senate? And what happens in the House of Representatives?

Sanders: Two things. We are talking about a political revolution and we are already delivering on a political revolution well before Election Day. What do I mean by that? What I mean is this country, and what I say in every speech that I give, no President, not me or anybody else, can do it alone. We need to revitalize American democracy, get people engaged in the political process, in a way that we have not seen for a very, very, very long time.

And the reason I say that, getting back to the questions right here, is, in my view, the powers that be in this country — Wall Street, large campaign contributors, corporate America — are so powerful, no President alone could do it.

So what we are seeing already, in this campaign, is, we have received over six million individual campaign contributions. That's a political revolution, you know that? That's unprecedented, I believe, at this point in the campaign, in history. We are seeing...and when you talk about young people, please do not think that these are 23-year-olds or younger. In virtually every primary and caucus process, we have won the votes of people 45 years of age or younger. They're not just kids. And we're seeing, I think, a revitalization of American democracy.

I never believed that we could have voter turnouts higher than Obama did in 2008. Because I thought his 2008 campaign was one of the great campaigns in American history. And, yet, in at least five states, the voter turnout in this campaign so far has been higher. So we are striking a nerve. People want to get involved in the political process and I’m very proud of that.

Now, to answer your question. You can't look at politics as a zero-sum game, and say, "Okay..." First of all, if I win, it will almost by definition mean that there will be a very large voter turnout. That's what I believe. If there is a very large voter turnout, I think the odds are pretty strong Democrats will regain control of the Senate, do better in the House. Can they win the House? I don't know. But they will do better.

But more importantly, if I win, it will mean that millions of people now want to be involved in the political process in a way that has not previously existed. Every item that I am talking about on my agenda is, I believe, supported by the majority of the people in this country. My major job is to mobilize the American people to demand that Congress listen to them and their needs rather than just the big money interests. That's how you make change take place. For example, as you know, I've talked about the need to make public colleges and universities tuition-free. Do I believe we can deliver on that? Absolutely, because I believe that millions of young people and their parents understand that that's what we should be doing right now. And I think if Republicans or some Democrats want to vote against it, they will pay a very heavy political price.

loving lol

Heteroy
Mar 13, 2004

:fork::fork::fork:
Yam Slacker
My school's mock election put Gore over Bush in a landslide because I went to a high school where WASPs were a very small minority. It was majority Hispanic and the rest split about evenly between Haitians and Jews. Not very many people buying into Compassionate Conservative.

And that's your future, White America.

Edit: If I remember correctly Bush even got beaten by the Workers World Party, almost certainly because students thought Monica Moorehead was a funny name.

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May
Meanwhile, in Oklahoma, it looks like in November voters will be asked to remove separation of church and state from the state constitution, just because the OK Government is still pissy about being forced to get rid of their gaudy 10 Commandments statue.




Fortunately there aren't any more pressing problems in Oklahoma, like a $1.3 billion defecit that's already closing nursing homes, forcing 88,000 elderly and disabled persons to wait months for their checks, slashing Medicaid payments by 25% and slashing hundreds and hundreds of teaching jobs and closing schools.*

But lawmakers want to hold off until after the election before they address the budget crisis, so instead of doing anything worthwhile they're focusing on eliminating the separation of church and state, finding new and creative ways to increase the prisoner population* and doing their best to punt an abortion case up to SCOTUS.

And all this suffering could be avoided if the state government would just loving RAISE TAXES! Goddamn it, this state infuriates me.


*In a state that's already ranked 48th in education.
*Oklahoma is behind only Louisiana in per capita prison population

Kro-Bar fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 6, 2016

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Epic High Five posted:

Isn't there evidence that the political identity you form when you're young more or less sticks with you for life? Like, specific worries and interests may change but it's rare to go from frothing far left liberal to arch-neocon

hey now it happened to me

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

gradenko_2000 posted:

Can I get a link to this?

Here's the link for the DX interview, not sure for the other game mentioned:

quote:


It's funny because focus testing cyberpunk and all that kind of stuff, we had a lot of surprises. We focus tested in London for Europe and we focus tested in LA for North America. Nobody knows what cyberpunk is anymore. That was really, we were like, “What? Come on, guys, what the hell?”


Human Revolution's vision of Detroit.
PCG: You mean they didn't know what the word means, or they didn't recognise the style?

Jacques-Belletete: No, they didn't know what the word meant! They had no idea. I'm not kidding, and it's unanimous. Cyberpunk has kind of disappeared. If you look at cyberpunk literature the latest thing really has been the Matrix. In videogames, even, I would say the closest thing to cyberpunk for a long time is probably Metal Gear Solid, in the sense that it's near future, it's anticipation, it kind of deals with the same themes and stuff.

But man, apart from that, sci-fi in games is always really kind of... sci-fi . You know, it's the Halos, the Killzones, and the Mass Effects, all that kind of stuff. Based on the first one we just made sure that we did justice to Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell and all that kind of stuff. They were the canons, really.

http://www.pcgamer.com/interview-the-art-of-deus-ex-human-revolution/3/

Later in the interview he talks about how in a lot of ways modern technology has curved past what was present in the original game, etc. I may be remembering some other interviews as well but that's one of them at least.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Apr 6, 2016

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp

It's honestly not surprising. The DEA's big focus right now is Heroin and from what I've heard there's not a lot of agents who really give that much of a poo poo about banning marijuana aside from "It's the law".

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

CelestialScribe posted:

This is a loving terrible interview for Bernie Sanders.


loving lol

I keep seeing this, but I've read the interview and I don't get it. The pull quotes people are trying to skewer him on seem to be the same thing he's been stumping for months now.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

I keep seeing this, but I've read the interview and I don't get it. The pull quotes people are trying to skewer him on seem to be the same thing he's been stumping for months now.

I honestly think it's a pushed narrative.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

CelestialScribe posted:

This is a loving terrible interview for Bernie Sanders.


loving lol

Actually it's completely fine, and people obviously get what he wants to do.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.
Bernie's stance is that if he actually manages to pull off the nomination and win, it'll be by motivating millions to engage and stand up for his policies. He'd then use the bully pulpit to use them to apply pressure to congress.

So yeah, light on details overall, but his logic is sound--if he does pull this off (short of Clinton keeling over or getting arrested) it'll be precisely because he has that sort of base. And the barb at the end is that even the GOP base sees him as straightforward and honest in his ideals, so they may back him against the establishment figures on some issues (like say, banking).


All that said, it's a looong shot to come across. But if he does get to that position he might actually have the clout he's claiming.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

I honestly think it's a pushed narrative.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Seriously, nothing in that interview is noteworthy in that regard. While he didn't answer everything with perfection, everything that needed to be said was said.

What's more noteworthy is why someone felt the need to attack him like that at all.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Impressive that they got all the way though this meeting today without dying to an EMP dirty bomb cyberterrorist hijacking attack.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

It's honestly not surprising. The DEA's big focus right now is Heroin and from what I've heard there's not a lot of agents who really give that much of a poo poo about banning marijuana aside from "It's the law".

Also, marijuana has been used to treat heroin addiction

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
This seems really un-cool and not-good.

quote:

Each weekday, dozens of U.S. government aircraft take to the skies and slowly circle over American cities. Piloted by agents of the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the planes are fitted with high-resolution video cameras, often working with “augmented reality” software that can superimpose onto the video images everything from street and business names to the owners of individual homes. At least a few planes have carried devices that can track the cell phones of people below. Most of the aircraft are small, flying a mile or so above ground, and many use exhaust mufflers to mute their engines — making them hard to detect by the people they’re spying on.

...

The FBI and the DHS would not discuss the reasons for individual flights but told BuzzFeed News that their planes are not conducting mass surveillance.

The DHS said that its aircraft were involved with securing the nation’s borders, as well as targeting drug smuggling and human trafficking, and may also be used to support investigations by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies. The FBI said that its planes are only used to target suspects in specific investigations of serious crimes, pointing to a statement issued in June 2015, after reporters and lawmakers started asking questions about FBI surveillance flights.

Check out these border patrol routes (and interactive maps in the article)!



https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/717817071615229957

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/717817943145521153

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/717821240187215873

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

I keep seeing this, but I've read the interview and I don't get it. The pull quotes people are trying to skewer him on seem to be the same thing he's been stumping for months now.

Reading that interview, my concern is that he doesn't seem to have thought through the specific kinds of actions he'll actually be undertaking as president, and instead refers only to broad stroke policies. Yes, we know breaking up the banks is his campaign platform, but it's clear in the article that he hasn't thought through at all the specific actions he'll be undertaking, or their ramifications. I mean, we're talking about massive pillars of the global financial system here-breaking them up is all well and good, but what does he expect the end result to look like? What measures will be undertaken to prevent banks from growing that big in the future? What will he do when the banks contest the legality of being broken up?

These are all important issues, and Sanders doesn't even know if he has the authority to carry out his stated actions. he doesn't.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006


Dear lord. Ted Cruz already got his wish.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

The story on these broke last year, iirc it was rando planespotters collaborating on the internet who first figured it out before it hit the news

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


CelestialScribe posted:

This is a loving terrible interview for Bernie Sanders.


loving lol
If this turns into the 2010 election I might shoot myself.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

UberJew posted:

The story on these broke last year, iirc it was rando planespotters collaborating on the internet who first figured it out before it hit the news

Its fun and easy, within a few minutes today I found this plane, registered to a known FBI front company: https://www.flightradar24.com/N168DK/954f7ff

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

zoux posted:

Dear lord. Ted Cruz already got his wish.

"Some mosques were at the center of the circles traced by FBI planes, but BuzzFeed News could see no clear pattern indicating widespread surveillance of mosques."

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING
Not surprised a lot of flights over Dearborn.

Iron Lung
Jul 24, 2007
Life.Iron Lung. Death.

Trabisnikof posted:

Its fun and easy, within a few minutes today I found this plane, registered to a known FBI front company: https://www.flightradar24.com/N168DK/954f7ff

There's a mosque, and a muslim associate right in the middle there, as well as NASA Ames Lab and a Target.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

OAquinas posted:

Bernie's stance is that if he actually manages to pull off the nomination and win, it'll be by motivating millions to engage and stand up for his policies. He'd then use the bully pulpit to use them to apply pressure to congress.

So yeah, light on details overall, but his logic is sound--if he does pull this off (short of Clinton keeling over or getting arrested) it'll be precisely because he has that sort of base. And the barb at the end is that even the GOP base sees him as straightforward and honest in his ideals, so they may back him against the establishment figures on some issues (like say, banking).

All that said, it's a looong shot to come across. But if he does get to that position he might actually have the clout he's claiming.

And if Congress decides to obstruct Bernie, just like it's been doing to Obama for the last 5+ years? What then?

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
It would have been much cheaper to buy spirographs from Target.

edit:

DaveWoo posted:

And if Congress decides to obstruct BernieHillary, just like it's been doing to Obama for the last 5+ years? What then?

Stallion Cabana
Feb 14, 2012
1; Get into Grad School

2; Become better at playing Tabletop, both as a player and as a GM/ST/W/E

3; Get rid of this goddamn avatar.

DaveWoo posted:

And if Congress decides to obstruct Bernie, just like it's been doing to Obama for the last 5+ years? What then?

I for one would look forward to 4 month filibusters that's just various Republicans yelling 'SOCIALIST, SOCIALIST, SOCIALIST' while their base nods and goes 'well you can't let a Socialist do anything so this is only fair. Sure it sucks that our government is literally falling apart and we can literally not get anything done but that's fine.'

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

If the question is about which candidate I think would be better equipped to handle/work around an obstructionist Congress, I'd most likely choose Hillary over Bernie.

I like Bernie, and I like what he stands for, but my main concern about him is that he keeps talking about a "political revolution" without really explaining how he would achieve it. And I'm not sure that he has a Plan B to fall back on if his revolution doesn't work out.

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

DaveWoo posted:

And if Congress decides to obstruct Bernie, just like it's been doing to Obama for the last 5+ years? What then?
Executive orders.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Did any major national political figures mention the Blankenship verdict today?

He deserves a loving guillotine.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

DaveWoo posted:

If the question is about which candidate I think would be better equipped to handle/work around an obstructionist Congress, I'd most likely choose Hillary over Bernie.

I like Bernie, and I like what he stands for, but my main concern about him is that he keeps talking about a "political revolution" without really explaining how he would achieve it. And I'm not sure that he has a Plan B to fall back on if his revolution doesn't work out.

I don't care. It is increasingly amusing to see people give the answer you give when it can apply to Hillary too. It will be fine though when she bends the republicans over and just fucks them so hard. Metaphorically that is.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I like Bernie's plan, but I like Hillary's war chest of millions of dollars for downticket races even more.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Iron Lung posted:

There's a mosque, and a muslim associate right in the middle there, as well as NASA Ames Lab and a Target.

Mosques.... Rocketry... and Targets?

MY GOD.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

JeffersonClay posted:

The IMF continues to abandon its 90's and 00's positions on austerity, government spending and growth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/christine-lagarde-minimum-wage_us_5703c7f1e4b0daf53af0d8ff

I appreciate that even though they felt like they had to quote unspecified "opponents" of the IMF, they threw some fact-checking shade on their jobs, jobs, jobs bullshit.

quote:

Last month, the IMF chief said that the U.S. could expand the economy by implementing family-friendly policies that could lead to more women in the workforce. Pointing to nations that have increased the ranks of working women by offering affordable child care and promoting “equal pay for equal work,” Lagarde said the U.S. economy would probably grow by 5 percent if an equal share of women had jobs as men.

Opponents of policies deemed beneficial to workers argue that higher wages could lead to fewer jobs if employers view them as too costly when measured against their profits. Corporate profits in the U.S. are near all-time highs.

Uncleanly Cleric
Oct 17, 2005


DeathSandwich posted:

See, when I was in 8th grade during the Bush/Gore Election, my (rural Kansas) school actually held a mock presidential election for the students. I was the only kid in my class who voted for Gore because the (old, white, male) teacher brow beat everyone else to vote Bush. Said teacher shouted me down and told me to "Stop being a pussy or go move to Japan" because I voted for the LIEberal dummycrat.

That was the last year my school did mock elections. They guised it as "These political conversations are getting too heated on both sides" and hand waived it away.

Hell, that happened with me in 2nd grade during the Reagan/Mondale election. In Wichita. Ain't just rural Kansas son.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Well illegal wiretapping of mosques was a thing that happened so this could be the lawsuit-friendly answer to that.

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computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

I keep seeing this, but I've read the interview and I don't get it. The pull quotes people are trying to skewer him on seem to be the same thing he's been stumping for months now.

He's essentially saying "When I win the Presidency, Congress will just change their minds and listen to America, no one will have to be voted out!"

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