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guts and bolts posted:You say this like I don't know that already, when you're really missing my point. I'll summarize it. I'm not arguing against these points. But you keep saying "THEY SHOULD KNOOOOWWW". Well, yeah, maybe they should, but I'll bet republic credits that they just don't. As a turbonerd that watches TV and movies I got used to this back when Firefly was canceled.
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Finster Dexter posted:I agree whole-heartedly. Yeah, plus the first teaser image had them in a hangar. Random Link
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The Gate posted:TBQH, I'm glad that there's no old canon for directors to have to remember and work around. For every Rogue Squadron or Thrawn trilogy, there's three Darksabers or those awful Lando The Early Years novels. That leaves them the ability to throw in a nod here and there, or bring back a character/story, without having to "do it right" or piss off people who dislike how they changed a story. It's good. I have very little history with the EU of Star Wars - books and comics especially, I've played a ton of the video games - and I think that basing movies or whatever on those works could likely be a mistake, given how bad a lot of that content seems to be and how poorly it's been received. (You're not the first person to say the Thrawn books were good, but I couldn't finish even one.) I should be clear that I'm not hoping Rogue One is some kind of adaptation of the Rogue Squadron books, just that it feels like an incredibly bizarre choice for your movie title if you're not going to have the Rogues fly starfighters at all. It's weird! Clearly a lot of people attach Rogue to X-Wings or whatever, because you said it yourself - the widespread assumption was that this will be a movie about starships, and what we got in the trailer (admittedly very little) would suggest it totally isn't, plus what's been said about how it's more of a heist movie than anything else. But anyone familiar with branding knows that often, even if you've made something good, if it was something that the audience didn't go in wanting to see, you'll suffer for it. "I came in hoping to get <X> and got <Y> instead" is a summation made distinctly from "well, was <Y> any good?" and is usually a net negative. It's especially true in movies and video games, in my personal experience.
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Finster Dexter posted:I'm not arguing against these points. But you keep saying "THEY SHOULD KNOOOOWWW". Well, yeah, maybe they should, but I'll bet republic credits that they just don't. As a turbonerd that watches TV and movies I got used to this back when Firefly was canceled. But I mean.. they do know. Otherwise why would they have called their movie "Rogue" anything? So they know enough to know that "Rogue Squadron" is a thing in the Star Wars universe and sounds cool and will maybe rope in some geeks, but know literally nothing about what Rogue Squadron is (a starfighter group/callsign)? That's an incredibly narrow niche to have hit, right? You'd either know about it or not, I'd figure Anyway the derail is real, I'll drop it, I'm just saying it strikes me as bizarre that you'd know that Rogue is a thing in Star Wars but you wouldn't know why or how, then name your movie that and just do whatever, since "Rogue One" isn't some kind of self-indicative title - your successful lawyer brother isn't going to know what "Rogue" anything means for a Star Wars movie and won't give a gently caress, so why would you even pick that name for your movie On the other hand, I don't think a movie about commandos and war would itself be a bad thing, but I don't think that's what Rogue One is, either, given the way it's been framed by its producers and such - it's essentially been billed as a heist movie about the theft of the Death Star plans, or whatever. That movie could also be a good movie. I hope it's a good movie! 
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I'd bet the Rogue Squadron games sold better than literally any Rogue/Wraith Squadron book. There aren't enough people who were hoping for a Rogue Squadron movie to even make a noticeable dent in profits or reviews.
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guts and bolts posted:But anyone familiar with branding knows that often, even if you've made something good, if it was something that the audience didn't go in wanting to see, you'll suffer for it. "I came in hoping to get <X> and got <Y> instead" is a summation made distinctly from "well, was <Y> any good?" and is usually a net negative. It's especially true in movies and video games, in my personal experience. Yeah, I mean tbh none of the Star Wars novels are actual good books. They're pulp sci-fi, and some of them are good for that metric and have a good overall plot which would be cool to see in a movie (and probably executed much much better that way). It's sort of like how there's a bunch of "good" Warhammer 40k novels, that aren't actually very amazing outside of the fact that they're set in 40k. Or Battletech, etc. You do have a good point there, expectations versus reality being disappointing can really hurt a movie (or game/show/whatever). OTOH, they're just starting to show this off, and they seem to be avoiding trying to play up space battles, so I think most SW nerds will go in knowing what to expect, more or less, by the time it actually comes out. If they'd really reinforced the Rogue name in the trailer, shown a guy flying an X-Wing, and maybe had a not-Wedge in the background, and then the movies got no X-Wings or space battles I could see people being upset. Edit: what I really want this movie to be is Star Wars: the Dirty Dozen, and we might just get.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I'd bet the Rogue Squadron games sold better than literally any Rogue/Wraith Squadron book. There aren't enough people who were hoping for a Rogue Squadron movie to even make a noticeable dent in profits or reviews. This was actually my larger point, though, because that's mostly what I'm referencing when I talk about Rogue Squadron - the N64 and Gamecube games that are 100% dog-fighters that I loved as a kid. I'm pretty sure Level 5 as a studio pretty much only exists for those games and their success, which was maybe better than modest? Sales for game titles are so hard to pin down precisely it's irritating, but whatever. X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter: A Star Wars Story which is about the development and prototyping process behind new starfighter proposals being voted on by the Empire's DoD, and the desk jockeys and marketing execs struggling to make their firm the one that gets all the credits. Go INCOM boys
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guts and bolts posted:X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter: A Star Wars Story which is about the development and prototyping process behind new starfighter proposals being voted on by the Empire's DoD, and the desk jockeys and marketing execs struggling to make their firm the one that gets all the credits. Go INCOM boys "So in summation, what we have is a space superiority fighter without any shields, a reconnaissance ship without a hyperdrive, and a ground attack ship with only two light lasers."
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General Battuta posted:"So in summation, what we have is a space superiority fighter without any shields, a reconnaissance ship without a hyperdrive, and a ground attack ship with only two light lasers." "But are they cheap" "... yes?" "Well, boys, you've got yourselves a contract" whooping and hollering from the Seinar crew, the Incom project lead fights tears in his eyes and makes a furtive holo-phone call to his friend Mon Mothma "Mon? We need to talk, looks like my schedule's just been cleared" X-Wing Alliance: A Star Wars Story, which is about haggling down the price for which Incom will sell the Alliance their X-Wings
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The Gate posted:Edit: shiiiiit does anyone else remember the really really really bad kids books from the 90's? The plots revolved around the Emperors' son having a literal third eye, and there was a fake son running the Empire with these implants that let him fake shooting Sith lightning but the real son wasn't evil or something and *his* third eye was in the back of his head oh god why do I remember this You're joking right? Those were the best books.  General Battuta posted:"So in summation, what we have is a space superiority fighter without any shields" Excuse me, the starfighters with the highest kill-to-loss ratio in the Clone Wars were the Delta-7 and Eta-2, and neither of them had shields and hyperdrives. Clearly the concept is solid. 
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Please look forward to my upcoming sci-fi reggae album "Hey, Mon" Thank you.
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guts and bolts posted:"But are they cheap" I'm sold.
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guts and bolts posted:"But are they cheap" "Look, there's only a forwards facing window, so we're not responsible for anything that happens flying in trenches, asteroid fields or tunnels in space stations."
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Talking about something that isn't Star Wars movies and/or the EU for a moment:Panzeh posted:Also all you guys voting, i just want to warn you the scyk isn't an interesting bad ship. It's actually really boring. It's like a pricier tie fighter. To me this is kind of the point for two reasons, one being that ultimately for me the goal is less "haha gently caress those players and make them suffer" and more to shine a spotlight on underused ships to maybe hopefully light a fire under FFG to revisit them. This thread has optimistically theorized that we'll see some sort of Scum Vets pack but there's no indication so far that FFG is interested in revisiting the Scyk or the Starviper or the Kihraxz. The other reason is there aren't really any "interestingly bad" Scum ships at the moment imo. HWKs will just be, as you said, splashed as TLT/Dengar platforms. Kihraxz are just X-Wings with a 1-hard turn instead of a 3-hard and no exciting pilot abilities, so you'll probably see either 5 K-fighter lists or a token Black Sun Ace with Crack Shot or something. I'd be fine with Starvipers since they're the other Scum ship I'd like to see get some love, but that's about it really.
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Kai Tave posted:This thread has optimistically theorized that we'll see some sort of Scum Vets pack but there's no indication so far that FFG is interested in revisiting the Scyk or the Starviper or the Kihraxz. Alex Davies has mentioned those ships specifically in a couple of interviews (most recently after Worlds) when asked about underperforming ships, along with the X-Wing, the Defender, and the Bomber. Since we're seeing adjustments. It's a lot more than just wishful thinking, since we're seeing them buff the other ships mentioned. I'd be pretty shocked if we don't see a Most Wanted Veterans or something this year. You're my loving hero!! I'm the guy with earrings shaped like blasters who is somehow an Imperial officer and not a Hot Topic employee. Edit: also enjoy Definitely Not Stalin in the front left. Slab Squatthrust fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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I wasn't aware that he'd called those ships out by name, that's good to hear. I mean I'm sure they're aware of it, I just wasn't sure how that correlated with "likelihood that we're going to see a new Scum two-pack."
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General Battuta posted:"So in summation, what we have is a space superiority fighter without any shields, a reconnaissance ship without a hyperdrive, and a ground attack ship with only two light lasers." LOL not sure if anyone else caught this reference... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA
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Kai Tave posted:I wasn't aware that he'd called those ships out by name, that's good to hear. I mean I'm sure they're aware of it, I just wasn't sure how that correlated with "likelihood that we're going to see a new Scum two-pack." "X Wing Miniatures Expansion: Even More Wanted-er"
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guts and bolts posted:This was actually my larger point, though, because that's mostly what I'm referencing when I talk about Rogue Squadron - the N64 and Gamecube games that are 100% dog-fighters that I loved as a kid. I'm pretty sure Level 5 as a studio pretty much only exists for those games and their success, which was maybe better than modest? Sales for game titles are so hard to pin down precisely it's irritating, but whatever. Rogue Squadron 3 was in 2003, the vast majority of people who care about the film probably won't remember the series. I loving loved those games to FWIW. E: guts and bolts posted:"But are they cheap" I would watch this all day. Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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You guys are getting awful salty about Disney not pulling a Batman vs Superman and putting the whole drat film in a teaser trailer.
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If nothing else the sequel might end up getting called Rogue Squadron with a bigger emphasis on fighter combat, since if nothing else there's no other potential sequel name for Rouge One that doesn't sound dumb as hell.
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So the local painter who I commissioned to do a Black T-70 just posted a repainted K-wing for the upcoming Cancer benefit tournament. https://imgur.com/a/GFai5 This guys work makes me smile, drat son I want one
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Acebuckeye13 posted:If nothing else the sequel might end up getting called Rogue Squadron with a bigger emphasis on fighter combat, since if nothing else there's no other potential sequel name for Rouge One that doesn't sound dumb as hell. The sequel is called Untitled Han Solo project.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:If nothing else the sequel might end up getting called Rogue Squadron with a bigger emphasis on fighter combat, since if nothing else there's no other potential sequel name for Rouge One that doesn't sound dumb as hell. Rogue One: Two
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Kai Tave posted:2 Rogue 2 Rebellious I stand corrected.
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Kai Tave posted:2 Rogue 2 Rebellious 
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"This is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel" is pretty awful, even for a pulp sci-fi story, and apparently the team behind Rogue One is on record saying it'll be a "darker" narrative, so I'm still in  modeAlready the speculation is that Rey and Jyn are related (daughter/mother) because "they can both handle themselves in a fight"/"are badass" 
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guts and bolts posted:"This is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel" is pretty awful, even for a pulp sci-fi story, and apparently the team behind Rogue One is on record saying it'll be a "darker" narrative, so I'm still in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5d5jxJ5vbM
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Kai Tave posted:2 Rogue 2 Rebellious Holy poo poo.
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In these Star Wars, everyone is related.
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 Devlan Mud posted:In these Star Wars, everyone is related. By the same logic connecting Jyn to Rey, doesn't that have to make Finn Lando's kid?
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guts and bolts posted:"This is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel" is pretty awful, even for a pulp sci-fi story, and apparently the team behind Rogue One is on record saying it'll be a "darker" narrative, so I'm still in I really like that "I rebel" exchange and line from her. It's her basically saying, "what else do you expect me to loving do?" In regard to this being a darker narrative, well, yeah, you just know a lot of the team she hooks up with are going to either get straight up ganked by the Empire or will ultimately sacrifice themselves to get the Death Star plans to the Rebellion.
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AndyElusive posted:I really like that "I rebel" exchange and line from her. It's her basically saying, "what else do you expect me to loving do?" I didn't see any Bothan spies in there, did you In all honesty though my concerns are that we get a poorly-drawn stereotype as the main character and then a bunch of faceless nobodies to pad out the cast, and then Nolan-esque gritty narrative motion, and then most of them die. That doesn't sound like a fun pulp space adventure to me.  It's way too premature to gather all of that from just the trailer, but the surrounding information that we have available to inform one's hype points in a direction that sorta dulls the edge for me? Like Godzilla was okay, spectacle was good, characters were awful and the protagonist was a poorly-drawn stereotype (exception made for Bryan Cranston, who's in the movie for 20min and then dies); I just hope it's not "effects-driven and grim wars in the stars" is all.
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guts and bolts posted:I didn't see any Bothan spies in there, did you No, because this isn't an adaptation of Shadows of the Empire.
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AndyElusive posted:In regard to this being a darker narrative, well, yeah, you just know a lot of the team she hooks up with are going to either get straight up ganked by the Empire or will ultimately sacrifice themselves to get the Death Star plans to the Rebellion. Yeah, I don't think you get to tangle with Vader and live if your name isn't Skywalker. I mean, Ren in Episode 7 just walked over Finn no problem, and he at least had a weapon capable of blocking the saber. Vader pre-ANH is going to make Ren look like a clown
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