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Logicblade posted:KIRA!? KIRA YAMATO?! all I can think of is MIAKA! TAMAHOME! MIAKA!
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junopsis posted:all I can think of is 
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Apr 7, 2016 04:42
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junopsis posted:all I can think of is Well, to be fair, Kira and Athrun don't shout each other's names that much. It's just that the one time they did, they replayed the flashback a few bajillion times. Also I would say SEED would go for more INUYASHA and KAGOME than Fushigi Yuugi. SEED's even got IY's weird "it's made fo boys but it has tons of drama for girls" thing. FY was of course straight-up made for girls. Now I think on it, SEED would have been running the same time as Inuyasha back in Japan.
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Apr 7, 2016 04:50
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NikkolasKing posted:@ oohhboy I remember giving Wing a viewing but I had stopped out of apathy around the middle where it meanders a bit. I distinctly remember several things, Lady Une shooting a man after throwing him off a plane a decade(?) before Dark Knight, Getting Heavy Arms to run out of ammo but throwing LEOs at it with no concern for pilot lives with the pilot going along with this, strange as hell main characters who get told gently caress all with orders to kill stuff for colony independence. I will give it another shot and see how it goes. tsob posted:I don't know that I can think of a Gundam show more melodramatic than it. All those shouts of ATHRUN! and KIRA!, all those flashbacks to Nicol (who now killed himself, the moron), Rau's motivation and basically everything he did in the last 10 or so episodes once he reveals his plan - the show is chock full of it. And I like some of it. I still look fondly on Fllay as one of the high points of that show, because she reacted badly during the start of the show, but she did so in a very human and understandable way. She comes around way too quick and way too hard after Rau kidnaps her, but she's a good character regardless. It's not a show I'm a fan of though and I doubt I could ever re-watch it. Nicol death is now super dumb, much easier to go back to his previous death. SEED is melodramatic in the right way, it's not forced like with the newtype stuff, there is an underlying reason for it. Rau rant at the end when he thinks he has won is gold, it's so good Kira has no effective reply. I too think Fllay is a good character, after getting emotionally destroyed she comes back as an emotional witch(With a shot looking like one) who fucks up Kira even more. She pushes him close enough that when Tolle bites it he finally breaks for good. Fllay doesn't come around until she warns Archangel where she finds her courage. When she dies Kira doesn't actually see her, we see her for our benefit representing the emotional release Kira has regarding her, effectively breaking the spell something even Lacus couldn't do. I wasn't put off about the SEED factor, I just used Andrew's explanation in part. Initially he is a he is a berserker based on heightened emotional states, but later he moves closer towards a focused zen state which is near complete in GSD. The dumb thing about SEED was that they tried poorly to explain it with Erica Simmons. Lacus though was a bit out of place. The ideological battle between Natarule and Ramius was great. I cried a little when Mwu makes his promise to Ramius that he was going to come back. Natarule went out a winner. As far as I remember no one dies a stupid death like in Zeta, ZZ etc where people does some really bizarre poo poo that gets them killed.
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Apr 7, 2016 11:36
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wing is the sort of thing you have to be drunk to enjoy so find a drinking game to go along with it
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Apr 7, 2016 11:43
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SEED was p. good but Destiny retroactively soured me on it, and as far as I can tell it's still the closest you'll get to a well-made conventional gundam story without the weirdness of having Tomino as a creative force behind it. Turn A is still my favorite of the franchise but it's not even a war story. It's a relatively light-hearted, old-fashioned adventure anime set a distinctly evocative world reminiscent of very early 20th century with a cast that's varying degrees of lovable/charming. And it's a got fantastic orchestral score. No other gundam series will ever scratch the same itch that Turn A did and I'd come to terms with that a long, long time ago.
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Apr 7, 2016 11:55
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T.G. Xarbala posted:wing is the sort of thing you have to be drunk to enjoy so find a drinking game to go along with it Don't drink everytime a certain low level mobile suit blows up, you'll kill yourself.
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Apr 7, 2016 12:36
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Andrew was a cool Ramba Ral reference until his entire character arc is cheapened because he actually survives as some kind of fanwank since everyone really wished Ramba Ral survived and was a good guy. I mean Kira killed off many of the men he served and even his wife but that's all water under the bridge thanks to falling under the sway of the incredibly charismatic and manipulative Lacus Clyne.
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Apr 7, 2016 16:38
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The Three Ship Alliance is such a stupid cop out. You know what would have been ore interesting? If the cool not-evil Admiral (Haliburton?) had survived and the heroes had decided to enact a Coup on the Earth Alliance to stop the war before everyone died.
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Apr 7, 2016 16:48
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Oh, Mr. Ral was a reference all along 
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Apr 7, 2016 18:17
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Eej posted:Andrew was a cool Ramba Ral reference until his entire character arc is cheapened because he actually survives as some kind of fanwank since everyone really wished Ramba Ral survived and was a good guy. I mean Kira killed off many of the men he served and even his wife but that's all water under the bridge thanks to falling under the sway of the incredibly charismatic and manipulative Lacus Clyne. Eh. I don't agree with this part necessarily. While Andy surviving was done kind of cheaply, it isn't something that ruins his character arc. The point of the part of the show where he returns is that the cycle of violence keeps continuing until it gets broken. (Athrun even literally talks to Dearka about this before Dearka has to go and fight Yzak, complete with the flashbacks.) Everyone in the last part of the show is responding to the deaths caused during the war. Andy returning, suffering and encountering loss, and choosing to let it go instead of seeking revenge is actually thematically relevant. It just needed to be executed better.
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Apr 7, 2016 19:08
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ImpAtom posted:It just needed to be executed better. That's pretty much SEED in a nutshell.
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Apr 7, 2016 19:41
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ImpAtom posted:Eh. I don't agree with this part necessarily. While Andy surviving was done kind of cheaply, it isn't something that ruins his character arc. The point of the part of the show where he returns is that the cycle of violence keeps continuing until it gets broken. (Athrun even literally talks to Dearka about this before Dearka has to go and fight Yzak, complete with the flashbacks.) Everyone in the last part of the show is responding to the deaths caused during the war. Andy returning, suffering and encountering loss, and choosing to let it go instead of seeking revenge is actually thematically relevant. It just needed to be executed better. Yeah, the only bad part about Andrew being cool with Kira at the end is how it's basically just ignored. I really do like to imagine how incredibly awkward that scene would be at first. "Oh, Andrew, you're alive! Did your wife make it out too? Where is she?" "...No." "Oh...."
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Apr 7, 2016 19:46
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Azran posted:Oh, Mr. Ral was a reference all along son...
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Apr 7, 2016 22:28
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Kanos posted:Yeah, the only bad part about Andrew being cool with Kira at the end is how it's basically just ignored. I really do like to imagine how incredibly awkward that scene would be at first. There is a scene like that where Kira starts to apologize and Andy's just like "Nope, let's drop it, I was trying to kill you too and it's no gonna change anything." It probably could have used a bit more focus instead of being an aside though.
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Apr 7, 2016 22:31
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So remember when I said I liked SEED? I'm rewatching it with a friend who is new to gundam. The first part is pretty rough.
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Apr 8, 2016 01:10
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TheManSeries posted:So remember when I said I liked SEED? I'm rewatching it with a friend who is new to gundam. The first part is pretty rough. I would advise just skipping to Episode 40 or so but I guess it's not quite as awesome without context. You need Rau to be his soft-spoken and in-control self for most of the show to appreciate what he's like by the end. Rau is a legitimately good character. They give you just enough hints and suggestions that there's more to him than you know but I never expected what eventually happened. It was really well-done. There's also Natarle, who I think is criminally underappreciated. She's one of the best ladies in Gundam to me. Seeing her struggles with the lack of discipline and order aboard the Archangel, her clashes with Murrue over their contrasting commanding styles, was also really well-done. There's Flay as well. But yeah, everything else is pretty bad. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 01:24
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... I like Strike vs Aegis.
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Apr 8, 2016 02:33
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Impulse vs Freedom was the only good fight and Shinn was just copying Uso anyway 
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Apr 8, 2016 02:34
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NikkolasKing posted:I would advise just skipping to Episode 40 or so but I guess it's not quite as awesome without context. You need Rau to be his soft-spoken and in-control self for most of the show to appreciate what he's like by the end. Flay was pretty awful. I was not sad at all to see the bitchy redhead go at the end. Rau was a villain that deserved a better show than SEED, especially his dub version.
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Pureauthor posted:... I like Strike vs Aegis. I didn't that much, to be honest. It felt very much like every other fight between them up to that point except that bits were now falling off their suits. Which is a bit of a problem in general for SEED fights, given their gleeful abuse of stock footage and echoed shots. In retrospect, that's one of the things I think IBO does pretty well, making each fight feel different and unique. Obviously, they have an easier time with that, given that it's a two-cour series and they're not mandated to have a fight every episode, but I guess that's an intentional decision, too.
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Apr 8, 2016 10:55
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It helps these days you can do a lot more with the same budget with all the new tech giving everyone a leg up.
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Apr 8, 2016 11:02
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oohhboy posted:It helps these days you can do a lot more with the same budget with all the new tech giving everyone a leg up. You say that, but I think Tomino's shows did a pretty decent job of it as well without IBO's advantages. Just look at how many interesting and unusual fights he gets his characters into even in the fifty-episode monster-of-the-week behemoths like Victory and Zeta.
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Apr 8, 2016 11:05
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Darth Walrus posted:You say that, but I think Tomino's shows did a pretty decent job of it as well without IBO's advantages. Just look at how many interesting and unusual fights he gets his characters into even in the fifty-episode monster-of-the-week behemoths like Victory and Zeta. Good choreography definitely helps to compensate when the time or money isn't ideal. I feel that way about most of Tomino's stuff in general, even the ones that look rough tend to be exciting to watch regardless
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Apr 8, 2016 11:12
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Going back to the real/super talk, wasn't Dougram pretty grounded? I only saw a couple episodes a while back, but I remember it being pretty "real".
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Apr 8, 2016 13:44
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The worst aspect of SEED to me was the first half of the show was Kira against 3 professionally trained soldiers in Gundams and it was an even fight. The White Base with 3 high-tech suits and newtype powers could barely keep afloat.
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Apr 8, 2016 16:14
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One wasn't trying to kill him while also sandbagging his team mates, another is a specialised infiltration unit with limited fire power leaving the then under armed, under equipped Duel sometimes engaging Kira and Buster in long range support which is near useless in an MS fight. They get tied up with the Archangel and Mwu. The Archangel is also a lot better armoured with multiple interception systems and far more heavily armed than White base which in comparison was a glorified APC. The Archangel is called an Assault Carrier for a good reason. So yeah, you forget everyone else in the show and their interactions.
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Apr 8, 2016 16:39
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TheManSeries posted:So remember when I said I liked SEED? I'm rewatching it with a friend who is new to gundam. The first part is pretty rough. I like the second half of seed way more because it finally becomes it's own show at that point instead of just being a 0079 retread. Although this is the point in which the alliance becomes comically evil.
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Apr 8, 2016 16:39
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Every SEED fight ever: A mobile Suit in an empty void shoots a giant beam. Battleships explode. Repeat forever.
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Apr 8, 2016 16:50
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MonsieurChoc posted:Every SEED fight ever: An alternative step two is 'enemy mobile suit dodges or deflects with shield'.
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Apr 8, 2016 17:02
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OK so I watched the second episode of Unicorn. I'm still not sure what the gently caress they are fighting for. I'm guessing the Laplace Box is a Gundam. Banagher makes no sense to me. This orphan kid just happens to be able to beat three rebels up? Are newtypes gundams or enhanced humans? Who the gently caress knows. I'm guessing the Headmaster/Vist Foundation leader is Banagher's dad. Why is the Audrey girl so important?
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Apr 10, 2016 16:26
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Arrgytehpirate posted:OK so I watched the second episode of Unicorn. I think the rest of your questions get answered later on so I won't address them, but one that you probably should know going into a Gundam series: Newtypes are humans. Their main gimmick is enhanced awareness, which manifests as being able to emotionally connect to other people very deeply and even at long distances, as well as the more militarily useful ability to keep track of spatial relationships, which makes them great pilots. There are some weapons that can only be used by Newtypes. Supposedly they are created naturally by the expansion of mankind's consciousness once he starts living in space and some people in the universe believe they are mankind's next evolutionary step. It is possible to artificially create Newtypes; these are called Cyber-Newtypes and almost always have severe psychological problems.
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Apr 10, 2016 16:45
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So does the Alaya-Vijnana not exist in this universe? Can I assume that Newtypes are basically natural/created AV pilots in terms of skill? Also, thinking about it some more this would be much better as a movie which I know you guys said it is. There's been nothing other than it's Gundam to hook me in these first two episodes.
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Apr 10, 2016 17:03
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Arrgytehpirate posted:So does the Alaya-Vijnana not exist in this universe? Can I assume that Newtypes are basically natural/created AV pilots in terms of skill? The A-V system is solely unique to IBO. The only thing similar is G Gundam's Mobile Trace System, but that is just an excuse for karate. Most Gundam shows focus solely on pilot skill.
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Apr 10, 2016 17:06
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Arrgytehpirate posted:So does the Alaya-Vijnana not exist in this universe? Can I assume that Newtypes are basically natural/created AV pilots in terms of skill? The A-V does not exist in the Universal Century universe, where Unicorn and a bunch of other shows take place. A mechanism to give certain pilots enhanced abilities appears in every Gundam universe and A-V was Iron Blooded Orphans' super pilot conceit. EDIT: Unicorn doesn't require knowledge of the previous Universal Century shows but there are a bunch of references that you won't get if you haven't seen them.
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Apr 10, 2016 17:09
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Also, if I wiki Char how much will I spoil myself on this series? I don't mind spoiling other series since I have no way to watch them. He got mentioned in this episode and I remember seeing his name pop up quite frequently in the IBO thread. OR Could one of you give me a non-spoily breakdown of who he his?
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Apr 10, 2016 17:10
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Also, if I wiki Char how much will I spoil myself on this series? I don't mind spoiling other series since I have no way to watch them. He got mentioned in this episode and I remember seeing his name pop up quite frequently in the IBO thread. none. you'll spoil other Gundam shows tho. All you need to know is that he was son of Zeon zum Deikun, basically Space Ghandi. Deikun died, the Zabi family (Space Nazis) took over the Zeon republic(a bunch of space colonies that wanted independence from Earth), and started a huge space war that ended very badly for Zeon. After that, Char became a symbol for space resistance against the oppressive Earth government.
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Apr 10, 2016 17:13
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Also, if I wiki Char how much will I spoil myself on this series? I don't mind spoiling other series since I have no way to watch them. He got mentioned in this episode and I remember seeing his name pop up quite frequently in the IBO thread. Instead of reading a wiki, just check out the compilation movies of 0079 and watch CCA. I think watching Zeta to get the Quattro days is really key, but I'm guessing a 50 episode series isn't up your alley. It costs you about 7 hours, but you will understand just about all of Unicorn sans Merida's backstory.
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TheManSeries posted:Instead of reading a wiki, just check out the compilation movies of 0079 and watch CCA. I think watching Zeta to get the Quattro days is really key, but I'm guessing a 50 episode series isn't up your alley. It costs you about 7 hours, but you will understand just about all of Unicorn sans Merida's backstory. I would but all I have is crunchryoll. I managed to catch up on One Piece in around 6 months. I'm not scared of 50 episodes.
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Char is the single most popular gundam character and one of the most iconic characters in anime. He's so popular that literally ever gundam series has a character that is a direct copy of him. He's popular for fairly good reason and if you want to know about him I would also recommend watching the gundam compilation movies over reading a wiki
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