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Under CCP's rules it's not RMT to run a site like TMC because according to CCP those sort of sites (TMC, CZ, EN24, etc.) are permitted to pay the staff for EVE articles in ISK (and EVE articles only). At TMC, right around the time of the (I think first) Somer Blink issue, we were told that you could only be paid ISK for EVE articles and not for say "Battlefield 4: Which Gun is Sexier?" because according to CCP that was for a service not related to EVE and thus violating their rules and policies related to EVE fansites etc. You could of course get around it by having John Q Writer write only one EVE article a month, but 10 League of Lolitas articles and they'd be fine to be paid their ISK because that's just how you could game the system. Same way it's not RMT if Laz gets a sub on Twitch or when I get paid my YouTube money, under CCP's policy's we've followed the rules in doing so. Until CCP change the policy, that's just how it is. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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I think it's no bueno when you give subscribers better odds to win in game stuff than others.
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Apr 11, 2016 16:20
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I remember seeing a budget sheet back when those existed and it was like 25b a month. That's not much, given that when I saw it we were still rolling in techbux. quote:Not that I'm disagreeing but: There's no direct connection between the isk and the money though. If nobody goes to TMDC and the articles are just posted into the void, there's still isk out but no cash in. It's not a trade. One has an effect on the other, sure, but so do a hell of a lot of other things.
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Kimsemus posted:I'm so confused. The reason WWB pisses off people in the Imperium is because so far the war has mostly had it's biggest impact on our Allies, not goons. SMA is gone/dead or being folded into GSF, FCON is a rudderless boat, LAWN is in Syndicate, RAZOR is ???, INIT is also in Syndicate, and Bastion is living in Saranen with GSF. Personally I'm not a big fan of the name just because it sucks. I voted for Casino War v  v
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Oodles posted:I think it's no bueno when you give subscribers better odds to win in game stuff than others. this is how Twitch streamers have done it since the beginning of time I agree with you but they don't seem to have a problem with it. see: sodapoppin, summit1g, any other streamer who does giveaways and loads the dice for subscribers
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pugnax posted:So uhhh, any thoughts on this? Those things always make me imagine what would happen if I show these to my friends, who still think Pong and Tetris are the height of video games. There would be this look of total incomprehension on their faces. 
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Daruna posted:sorry if it comes off as tryhard, I'm not trying to be. as far as you acting like idiots, I post because I can't tell whether you believe in the bullshit or not. When I do what I do it's to gauge whether or not that's the case. From the outside looking in you guys look like some indoctrinated motherfuckers, sorry if you're "just pretending" v0v calling this thread, which is by far the most realistic place to talk about EVE O N L I N E (a bad game for bad people) on the internet, "indoctrinated" shows how loving stupid you are gently caress off forever dumbass
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pugnax posted:So uhhh, any thoughts on this? (7:16:42 PM) tiberizzle:sma and fcon are honestly worse than useless (7:16:52 PM) tiberizzle:chillin in their space until it was too late against skyteam's request now all their poo poo is trapped lol sounds about right also someone being an rear end and having CCP choose sides immediately was dumb and CCP should and apparently does feel dumb
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Venom Snake posted:The reason WWB pisses off people in the Imperium is because so far the war has mostly had it's biggest impact on our Allies, not goons Considering we started in Vale, it has taken a little bit of time to work all the way over to Deklein. Don't worry GSF we're coming for you too
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ChickenWing posted:I remember seeing a budget sheet back when those existed and it was like 25b a month. That's not much, given that when I saw it we were still rolling in techbux. I had access to the google doc for a few months before I left, not that I really ever bothered with it I just said "hey X person needs their money" and voila they were paid. 25bil sounds a bit on par with how much per month was actually being paid. As for it being "alliance money", I do know for a fact that in 2013 when I was being paid in just ISK I was getting money from "DJs Retirement Fund" which is the GSF executor corp. Personally I think the system was you pay the staff with that corp wallet, concert the GTC referrals/21-day code rewards etc. into the ISK in-game and recoup the expenses that way. I don't know since I didn't actually do that process personally but that's what makes sense to me. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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pugnax posted:So uhhh, any thoughts on this? Dunno sounds like normal talk to me - it makes sense to roll the coalition members into the alliance due to how fozziesov works - you can't entosis for allies. Also SMA and FCON hosed up horribly with their supers and are now keeping PL entertained with a super kill feed per day.
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Daruna posted:Considering we started in Vale, it has taken a little bit of time to work all the way over to Deklein. Evicting us from Dek isn't going to kill us the same way it would our Allies. Literally everyone with 2 brain cells knows this.
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Venom Snake posted:The reason WWB pisses off people in the Imperium is because so far the war has mostly had it's biggest impact on our Allies, not goons. SMA is gone/dead or being folded into GSF, FCON is a rudderless boat, LAWN is in Syndicate, RAZOR is ???, INIT is also in Syndicate, and Bastion is living in Saranen with GSF. World War Bee has a nice ring to it though, and is descriptive of one of the major powers targeted. I think it's a pretty apt name, honestly. Also mittens has done a lot of hard work crafting the "valued allies" narrative, and MBC obviously has to go through them to get to GSF proper. But lol if you're arguing it hasn't impacted GSF in both tangible and intangible ways. Venom Snake posted:Evicting us from Dek isn't going to kill us the same way it would our Allies. Literally everyone with 2 brain cells knows this. No one who is not an idiot has ever said it would. I don't know why people keep bringing up this straw man. MBC isn't trying to kill goons off, we're not stupid. We've managed to kill off almost all associated allied alliances and I guess some MBC members will hold dek and other regions for an indeterminate amount of time though, so I'd say it's had an impact.
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Venom Snake posted:Evicting us from Dek isn't going to kill us the same way it would our Allies. Literally everyone with 2 brain cells knows this. Yes, but the entire rest of the game also recognizes that the CFC/Imperium is synonymous with "Goons" "Goons" logo is fatbee World War Bee is not only catchy, but also explains the purpose of the war in three easy words. The Easter War is also a good choice. The War of Sovless Aggression comes off as bitter (maybe justifiably so) and is just boring. Also identifies with the Confederacy. Which supported slavery.
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pugnax posted:So uhhh, any thoughts on this? Entirely predictable actions by everyone? Like when we were spitballing ideas in theta or gs_isk back when I played how to reform sov, it was always obvious that one of the benefits of "shooting" stuff was that you don't need a complex system to decipher who is defender and who is attacker, and the idea that you would identify one of the parties through their alliance information only was seen as idiotic, because it would invariably lead to coalitions being condensed into alliances and alliances into corps, simply because that would be the optimal behavior for players who want to defend stuff. It kinda baffled me that fozzie sov did not find a more elegant solution for this problem, but  I guess.As for the CCP mail, of course they are listening and reacting to TheMittani's complains, given that he is by far their most important asset when it comes to marketing the game through news sites and they have no interest in him and the Imperium going burned earth on CCP, just because they did not include another background image. I highly doubt that they will change the name of the war though.
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like when you see an Imperium fleet roll through your system you don't go "oh it's FCON and SMA and Bastion and Razor and GSF" you say "oh it's Goons"
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Daruna posted:also I sat on a titan in fleet last night for like 2 hours until 3am listening to the absolute worst sort of bullshit I've had the misfortune of hearing in ages Made your own bed there sunshine Sorry we didn't oblige by jumping our supers into your really obvious fleets of t3s sitting on titans which were also sitting next to other titans and supers. Venom Snake posted:The reason WWB pisses off people in the Imperium is because so far the war has mostly had it's biggest impact on our Allies, not goons. SMA is gone/dead or being folded into GSF, FCON is a rudderless boat, LAWN is in Syndicate, RAZOR is ???, INIT is also in Syndicate, and Bastion is living in Saranen with GSF. RZR and FCON are both in the process of getting settled in Saranen
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(1:13:54 AM) the_mittani: because it's true none of our poo poo makes sense unless you realize we literally dgaf about fcon Idk why we still need them tbh.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:Made your own bed there sunshine less grrr posting pls I was lamenting MY lovely allies not your lack of engagement
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I was indifferent on FCON but seeing them rally 500+ dudes into fleets just on their own was pretty impressive. If they can get that kind of turnout set up in Saranen it will be pretty interesting to see what happens.
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Their numbers are always good, they also love to feed titans and supers though.
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Kimsemus posted:so I'd say it's had an impact. It absolutely has had a huge impact, but the people that have suffered the most are Imperial people outside of GSF. Like I'm not going to be one of those guys unironically saying "didn't want that space anyway" because yeah I did like Dek but I'm realistic enough to know we had 0/0% chance of holding it barring the MBC devolving into infighting so I'm not that broken up about it. Well that and GOKU remains strong, and secure.
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:calling this thread, which is by far the most realistic place to talk about EVE O N L I N E (a bad game for bad people) on the internet, "indoctrinated" shows how loving stupid you are gently caress off forever dumbass If we're indoctrinated Reddit must be North Korea
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I was indifferent on FCON but seeing them rally 500+ dudes into fleets just on their own was pretty impressive. If they can get that kind of turnout set up in Saranen it will be pretty interesting to see what happens. I wouldn't rely on people who have just been shown that their suzerain overlord doesn't give a poo poo about them, myself.
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cravius posted:(1:13:54 AM) the_mittani: because it's true none of our poo poo makes sense unless you realize we literally dgaf about fcon Kalenn Istarion posted:I was indifferent on FCON but seeing them rally 500+ dudes into fleets just on their own was pretty impressive. ??
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Drythe posted:If I was a skilled writer, I would gladly take isk over cash to write part time about spaceships If you want to be paid money to write then you have to be able to do the kind of writing that draws enough viewers to earn that money. If anything TMC is a neat middle ground where most people could have an article published if it's interesting and if you want to move on to writing as a job then TMC would at least be a reference. Even if you were being paid in spaceship-funny-money at the time.
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:calling this thread, which is by far the most realistic place to talk about EVE O N L I N E (a bad game for bad people) on the internet, "indoctrinated" shows how loving stupid you are gently caress off forever dumbass Some people here like to pretend they don't care, when they actually do.
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Yea I have no clue how writing works. I always assume you start a blog and fill it with ads and spam forums
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How is "tryhard" even an insult here? Eve is Tryhard: The MMO, and everyone who plays it is one by default.
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please dont be on the same side as the dragonstalkings child
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Crimewave posted:Some people here like to pretend they don't care, when they actually do. what does caring have to do with anything wait didnt you have a fit about something already edit no you're the big whiny guy with the 2 days of experience
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Huge_Midget posted:There aren't nearly enough fedora wearing, MRA apologist pedos for this to even come close to Reddit. Yeah, but only because SA pedos aren't MRA Apologists.
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Daruna posted:less grrr posting pls I was lamenting MY lovely allies not your lack of engagement You sound a bit sour about the whole situation really, must have felt pretty lovely to listen to tishu derp around for 2 hours while we mostly ignored them This may blow your mind but I am not, in fact, the Mittani and at times have opinions which may differ from his
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Hello thread! That was a heck of a lot of posts to catch up on. I'm glad so many are enjoying my newbie adventures into space mining. If anything else weird happens to me tonight when I make a start with my little venture I'll let you know. So far the sheer chillness of just puttering about space and zapping some asteroids is enticing me to play on past my trial. I also wouldn't mind just randomly exploring systems too! It's got to be neat just whiling away time in space.
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Xolve posted:Yeah, but only because SA pedos aren't MRA Apologists. And also the site admins don't tacitly endorse them, so they can't post here 
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pugnax posted:So uhhh, any thoughts on this? (7:16:42 PM) tiberizzle:sma and fcon are honestly worse than useless I guess FCON pulling 2x the numbers GSF can is what passes for useless nowadays e: valued allies ay (1:13:38 AM) the_mittani: that's why i took tib aside and told him about the megaalliance strategy on mumble earlier (1:13:54 AM) the_mittani: because it's true none of our poo poo makes sense unless you realize we literally dgaf about fcon Iseeyouseemeseeyou fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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VideoGames posted:Hello thread! That was a heck of a lot of posts to catch up on. Okay so if you think that's neat, I really strongly recommend you train scanning and archaeology skills and try your hand at exploration (the game mechanic, not the puttering around space). It's basically mining but in shorter, more lucrative bursts, and there's usually cool areas to do it in like space-stonehenge and giant monoloth fields and stuff.
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I meant why is that guy saying you guys don't need fcon when they bring 500 dudes, that's impressive even though all I want is goons to reset Fcon so I can fleet up with goon friends and murder them.
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Foehammer007 posted:I meant why is that guy saying you guys don't need fcon when they bring 500 dudes, that's impressive even though all I want is goons to reset Fcon so I can fleet up with goon friends and murder them. you could have just not left, for that you fairweather lil b!tch
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VideoGames posted:Hello thread! That was a heck of a lot of posts to catch up on. CTRL + F9 will make all of your UI temporarily go away in case you want to take any pretty screenshots of your new adventures in space. Print Screen key is the actual screenshot button, and then the screenshots get saved in your Documents\EVE Online\captures\screenshots folder. But yes, do keep posting about your  newbie adventures. Stories like those always take me back.
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