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OvineYeast posted:He's right though, I do. I quite like JK Rowling, and she's got a few pennies. 1951 - The first nuclear power plant is built by the US Atomic Energy Commission. This is bad for Jeremy Corbyn, age 2 Renfield fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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On one hand, this if great. On the other, this country is run by a loving playground.
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Anyway, I know, "haha tax returns" is fun & all but this seems to have been lost in the irrelevant poo poo.Prince John posted:Just in case you weren't depressed enough already: link. I feel physically sick reading this. It's all fine & well laughing at Pigfucker & Corbyn's messy office making him unsuitable to lead this nation, unlike people who want to sell everything the state owns to their chums from public school, that spotty lad who used to be your fag and now runs a hedge fund he inherited from daddy. But Jesus loving Christ. How rotten is this country?
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It's not so much 'haha tax returns' as 'oh good some negative press about the Tories' and maybe opening a few people's eyes to the gulf between their rhetoric and their real priorities. We get all the stories about how policy X is actually terrible and costs money and is only harming people, but nothing comes of it. If it takes a tax haven scandal and Dennis Skinner shouting in Cameron's face to have any real impact, I'll take it
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Holy loving poo poo. We have reached maximum impoliteness the tea is gone gentlemen THE TEA IS GONE FOREVER FROM THIS TEA TRAY WE CALL DECENCY
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think HMRC advertise themselves as a data storage service unless you know better? They store your tax returns.
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Junior G-man posted:International development and the politics envy:
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think HMRC advertise themselves as a data storage service unless you know better? lol yeah HMRC shouldn't bother to store anyone's tax returns, just destroy them all after they've been posted out.
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Pissflaps thinks the Data Protection Act only applies to individual bytes.
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People submitting a summary of the contents of their tax return rather than an actual copy may be doing it so no-one sees this section. Specifically, box 19 on page 4. Also worth noting that they could all be lying and publishing fake tax returns, and the rules on taxpayer confidentiality mean HMRC couldn't tell the public this.
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George Osbourne could quit work tomorrow and still earn more money than Jeremy Corbyn. Hell, he'd still be in the 1%. And right now he earns more pre-tax than most people earn in an entire year, per month. Yep, I sure feel represented.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:They store your tax returns. OK, but I don't think HMRC advertise themselves as a data storage service unless you know better? JFairfax posted:lol yeah HMRC shouldn't bother to store anyone's tax returns, just destroy them all after they've been posted out. You're not the only poster here who doesn't think maintaining financial records is important.
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no but they keep copies of your tax records, because they're also their records
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JFairfax posted:no but they keep copies of your tax records, because they're also their records Yes this is correct.
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And so we enter the pedantry stage of a Pissflaps argument, the most tedious of all phases.
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Fans posted:And so we enter the pedantry stage of a Pissflaps argument, the most tedious of all phases. What do you think I'm being pedantic about?
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Semprini posted:People submitting a summary of the contents of their tax return rather than an actual copy may be doing it so no-one sees this section. Specifically, box 19 on page 4. Baaaahahaahaaa what the gently caress the tax return has a specific section for tax avoidance schemes. It even uses the word 'schemes'. What the actual gently caress
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I suppose it's a bit like the ash trays in the bathroom of airplanes. If you're gonna do it at least have the decency to put your ash/details of your tax avoidance here 
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Between Corbyn's office and his handwriting I'm really glad to see he's actually a scruffy, shambolic git and not just a show for the cameras like Boris. I always feel like Cameron isn't allowed to take a poo poo without aide approval because the force of straining might make his red complexion all the more rosy.
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Yeah that's good to see.
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Firos posted:I suppose it's a bit like the ash trays in the bathroom of airplanes. If you're gonna do it at least have the decency to put your ash/details of your tax avoidance here Well, is lying on that form a crime?
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I do wonder how "normal people" will feel when they see these and realise that Osbourne and Cameron are cutting their own taxes. I mean a lot of people will know that already but it's another thing to have it confirmed in the print media.
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Pissflaps posted:OK, but I don't think HMRC advertise themselves as a data storage service unless you know better? What's that got to do with anything? The point is that HMRC retains this data. Therefore it's not unreasonable for someone with dull financial affairs to not worry about it. I do my self assessment online and I certainly don't "retain" a copy myself.
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^^ Yes. (@Hieronymous Alloy)thespaceinvader posted:Baaaahahaahaaa what the gently caress the tax return has a specific section for tax avoidance schemes. It even uses the word 'schemes'. I can see how it looks amusing at first glance, but this was something of a game changer in disclosure and shifted the balance of power a bit in favour of HMRC. Previously, you just submitted your return (which actually contains little of actual use to the taxman in tracking down comedy schemes) - the onus was on HMRC to know to open an enquiry and this was pretty difficult for them. Following the introduction of DOTAS (disclosure of tax avoidance schemes), HMRC have a massive list of schemes that produce a 'tax advantage' (note: this is for legal avoidance, not evasion) with various characteristics ('hallmarks'). A legal duty now exists for the scheme promoter to notify HMRC that they are selling the scheme, they get a reference number from HMRC, and the taxpayer now has a legal duty to fill in the appropriate box if they're involved in such a scheme. It's effectively an "I'm being aggressive, please look at my tax affairs closely" flag, that makes it much easier for HMRC to concentrate on the right people and link tax returns from random people to firms promoting tax avoidance schemes. This way, they can bust a practice, and easily scoop up all their customers. Edit: Taear posted:I do wonder how "normal people" will feel when they see these and realise that Osbourne and Cameron are cutting their own taxes. I mean a lot of people will know that already but it's another thing to have it confirmed in the print media. Not that I'm not enjoying watching Piggy squirm, but there's basically no evidence he's done any tax avoidance worth the name, albeit that's not what the papers are saying. He actually voluntarily paid extra tax from 2010-2015 by not claiming the 'prime ministerial expenses deduction' of £20k. Prince John fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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Lord of the Llamas posted:What's that got to do with anything? You compared HMRC to email service providers, suggesting it's hypocritical to not store data solely with the former if I'm prepared to do so with the latter. The comparison doesn't work because only the latter would promote themselves as a data storage service.
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JFairfax posted:I am planning on not paying tax in the UK after May I've already stopped, and here I get a 30% discount just for being a foreigner. It's good, I highly recommend leaving the country to everyone. Don't come here though, we're full.
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https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153675036026939/ this is bad for corbyn
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Pissflaps posted:You compared HMRC to email service providers, suggesting it's hypocritical to not store data solely with the former if I'm prepared to do so with the latter. No they don't? Google expressly doesn't accept liability for losing data in Gmail in its T&Cs.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:No they don't? Google expressly doesn't accept liability for losing data in Gmail in its T&Cs. Ford don't guarantee your car will never break so I guess they're not a car company either. Jesus loving christ. You people.
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JFairfax posted:what do you mean, you people Papists.
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Pissflaps posted:Jesus loving christ. You people. It's like you're made by Microsoft with the way you Project.
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JFairfax posted:google are not a data storage company, not like iron mountain are Google doesn't offer data storage services. I see.
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JFairfax posted:google are not a data storage company, not like iron mountain are Iron Mountain, occasionally known as Fire Mountain.
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Pissflaps posted:Ford don't guarantee your car will never break so I guess they're not a car company either. You're the idiot who doesn't accept that there's a reasonable expectation that HMRC will retain tax records.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:You're the idiot who doesn't accept that there's a reasonable expectation that HMRC will retain tax records. I'm certain they do. Just not on behalf of those submitting them. Not bothering to keep your own copies of important documents is loving stupid.
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