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Trumps Baby Hands posted:alt-right has more compelling memes There exists a meme gap...
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:If anyone thought the LDS church went batshit in its interference with the Prop 8 stuff and other gay rights issues, just wait until the polygymy battle hits the mainstream and becomes a Leftist cause. For the LDS, gay rights were a political and moral issue, whereas the fight against polygamists is seen as being an existential one. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the government, which so far has benefitted from their allyship in anti-polygymy enforcement, turns on them and starts trying to legislate in favor of multiple-marriages. We've already seen non-fundamentalist LDS separatism in the Bundys, I imagine that could escalate if American culture continues to drift towards alternate-lifestyle inclusion. There's 6 million Mormons in America, let's say 10% are fundamentalist and want polygamy legalized and there's various other fringe religions that want the same but hardly a material amount. I don't understand how .0013% of the population is going to to have any fluence, much less why left, going to join religious right wing zealots in helping them with all the other issues at hand that matter.
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Apr 12, 2016 21:56
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i would adopt baby hitler and raise him as a jew
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Apr 12, 2016 21:58
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Rubber Tucky posted:i would adopt baby hitler and raise him as a jew I would raise him to be what he feels inside his heart, Trumps VP.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:04
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RACHET posted:There's 6 million Mormons in America, let's say 10% are fundamentalist and want polygamy legalized and there's various other fringe religions that want the same but hardly a material amount. I don't understand how .0013% of the population is going to to have any fluence, much less why left, going to join religious right wing zealots in helping them with all the other issues at hand that matter. This issue matters to more than just Mormons. What do you do if someone from a nation where polygamy is legal moves here with multiple spouses? It is not a theoretical question. Generally, at least one spouse gets shafted in terms of inheritance and other rights accorded to married couples.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:07
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You guys see that new Hitler movie LOOK WHOS BACK? I think that guy should do his shtick at Trump rallies and see how many people agree to follow him. E: He may even have some success at Bernie rallies...
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Apr 12, 2016 22:08
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RACHET posted:There's 6 million Mormons in America, let's say 10% are fundamentalist and want polygamy legalized and there's various other fringe religions that want the same but hardly a material amount. I don't understand how .0013% of the population is going to to have any fluence, much less why left, going to join religious right wing zealots in helping them with all the other issues at hand that matter. The Mormons have outsized political influence in American politics for the same reason that the 1% do: Bloomberg says they have about a $40 billion net worth, and rake in $8 billion per year with tithes. They are the fastest growing religion in America, and likely will be the dominant Christian denomination by the end of the century (their growth has almost exactly mirrored that of the early Christian cults in the Roman Empire: if that holds, then they're exponential growth is right on the tipping point of rocketing them to being a major world religion). It's a HUGE DEAL that the Republican Nominee for the President of the US was a Mormon and received 47.2% of the popular vote, considering that Mormons were trying to establish their own North American theocratic state only 160-odd years ago(and of course Utah functions as a US State in the same way that Colorado City functions as a part of Arizona: in name only). But yeah, Salt Lake was unable to keep gay marriage from becoming a thing, and there's a good chance that they'll eventually fail to keep Polygymy from becoming a legalized institution. I'm just saying, if that happens then there's a chance that all the work that the LDS has done to become a normalized religion could unravel, since there is nothing Mormons despise more than polygymists.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:09
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Squalid posted:This issue matters to more than just Mormons. Muslims and Mormons, old testament conservatives, libertarians, and some leftists groups. That is surely a winning coalition that I can see working very well together. quote:What do you do if someone from a nation where polygamy is legal moves here with multiple spouses? It is not a theoretical question. Generally, at least one spouse gets shafted in terms of inheritance and other rights accorded to married couples. American's don't care about your other country with your non-American rules and cultures.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:15
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Also sub-saharan Africans. Of course we both know Americans don't care about the lives of immigrants and minorities. The question is, do you?
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Apr 12, 2016 22:23
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:polygamy i won't pretend that i know all about what's bleeding edge in our pop culture, but i feel like the only person i have heard bring up polygamy as the next big culture war thing is you. other than the awful "sister wives" TLC show that my wife continues to DVR, i can't even think of a well known cultural touchstone that uses polygamy as a central theme in a positive way. i know polygamy has been around for as long as lifeforms have used sexual reproduction, but i'm not seeing any amount of overt or obvious support for polygamy, or anyone not considered to be a member of a fringe element seriously requesting that polygamy be legalized. outside of the nation of deseret or isolated communities in AZ/NM, what makes you think polygamy is the next big cultural thing?
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Apr 12, 2016 22:24
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Squalid posted:Also sub-saharan Africans. Of course we both know Americans don't care about the lives of immigrants and minorities. The question is, do you? Their culture sucks and they should adopt western values if they want to live in western country.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:26
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Squalid posted:This issue matters to more than just Mormons. What do you do if someone from a nation where polygamy is legal moves here with multiple spouses? It is not a theoretical question. Generally, at least one spouse gets shafted in terms of inheritance and other rights accorded to married couples. If you're talking about Muslims, polygamous refugees and polygamous immigrants aren't a statistically significant number to influence any political party. It's a bizarre thing to bring up.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:26
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GE update: https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/720000128006930432
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Apr 12, 2016 22:29
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Trump's on fire tonight. He went through the whole conservative treehouse "Florida is 99 WTA to ensure Jeb or Rubio had a failsafe" GOPe roadmap thing. Also, "Marco's okay...he just went Don Rickles for a few days, but we went heavy Don Rickles back"
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Apr 12, 2016 22:30
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CD2 still in play! Crucial CD2.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:32
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Oiled and Ready posted:Also, "Marco's okay...he just went Don Rickles for a few days, but we went heavy Don Rickles back" I'm thinking they were more Uncle Milty, except for the huge penis
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Apr 12, 2016 22:32
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homeless poster posted:i won't pretend that i know all about what's bleeding edge in our pop culture, but i feel like the only person i have heard bring up polygamy as the next big culture war thing is you. other than the awful "sister wives" TLC show that my wife continues to DVR, i can't even think of a well known cultural touchstone that uses polygamy as a central theme in a positive way. i know polygamy has been around for as long as lifeforms have used sexual reproduction, but i'm not seeing any amount of overt or obvious support for polygamy, or anyone not considered to be a member of a fringe element seriously requesting that polygamy be legalized. Yeah this had me scratching my head too. I feel like he's confusing people who are polyamorous with people who want legalized polygamy, maybe?
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Apr 12, 2016 22:35
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I'm taking the line about how it should be someone running for president as an endorsement for Jeb and I hope the delegates do too
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Apr 12, 2016 22:37
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Montasque posted:Rush has been defending Cruz all show. I hope the caller went: "TRUMP!" *click*.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:37
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So Ryan will be running as an independent then. 
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homeless poster posted:i won't pretend that i know all about what's bleeding edge in our pop culture, but i feel like the only person i have heard bring up polygamy as the next big culture war thing is you. other than the awful "sister wives" TLC show that my wife continues to DVR, i can't even think of a well known cultural touchstone that uses polygamy as a central theme in a positive way. i know polygamy has been around for as long as lifeforms have used sexual reproduction, but i'm not seeing any amount of overt or obvious support for polygamy, or anyone not considered to be a member of a fringe element seriously requesting that polygamy be legalized. Well, I'm extrapolating from millenials perchant for polyamory. And while, yeah, polyamory does not equal polygamy necessarily, it seems really logical to me that when the amount of polyamorous couples reaches 5-10% of the population that they'll start wanting to "make it official" in the eyes of the US government. It also stems from the fact that the best argument for gay marriage (government has no business legislating what consenting adults can and cannot do, and the legal definition of 'marriage' shouldn't be defined by religious groups' conception of morality) is 100% applicable to polygamist unions. You're right that it that polygamist rights don't seem to be a "hot button" issue in mainstream discourse just yet, but eventually the Left is going to need another cause to villainize bigots over, and multiple-marriage seems like a natural fit. edit: Z. Autobahn posted:Yeah this had me scratching my head too. I feel like he's confusing people who are polyamorous with people who want legalized polygamy, maybe? Trumps Baby Hands fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Not confusing the two, but just hypothesizing that eventually such a large movement is going to want to be recognized by the government via marriage. I could be wrong. I think the mindset behind polyamory and the mindset behind polygamy are really different though, to the extent that if polyamory ever became a political movement, it would be pushing the other direction (dissolving the institution of marriage altogether, at least in any kind of a legal sense).
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Apr 12, 2016 22:49
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Daniel Bryan posted:Personally I'd abort baby hitler You gotta step up, man!
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oooff I was hearing this all day - did 65,000 people actually vote in the caucuses?
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Apr 12, 2016 22:55
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Z. Autobahn posted:I think the mindset behind polyamory and the mindset behind polygamy are really different though, to the extent that if polyamory ever became a political movement, it would be pushing the other direction (dissolving the institution of marriage altogether, at least in any kind of a legal sense). It could go along the lines of "the 4 of us are a committed polygamous group and would like to legally be allowed to make hospital visits when one of us is ill, etc" but probably not for a long time.
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Fidel Castronaut posted:If you're talking about Muslims, polygamous refugees and polygamous immigrants aren't a statistically significant number to influence any political party. It's a bizarre thing to bring up. If they're able to win a fight in the courts they won't need a big political coalition on their side. However I'm not really trying to argue that polygamy is going to become a major political issue. I just want to point out that it is a serious issue, and maybe our current policy should be reevaluated. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90857818 quote:For example, Sally's husband moved to the United States from the Ivory Coast before she did. When Sally joined him, she found he had married someone else in America. But without legal immigration papers, she didn't dare come forward and report him to the authorities. If these relationships could be made legible to the justice system it would help protect those involved. And that is worth considering irregardless of political expediency.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:59
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I'd imagine you'd see a lot of rich people using polygamy as a way to avoid taxes so that would be a fun thing to straighten out
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Apr 12, 2016 23:00
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Al! posted:I'd imagine you'd see a lot of rich people using polygamy as a way to avoid taxes so that would be a fun thing to straighten out You can't try a husband and wife and wife and wife and husband and husband for the same crime! Brilliant!
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Apr 12, 2016 23:03
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A movement to legalize polygamy will start getting taken seriously once the millenials that want a secular flavor of it start outnumbering the M-religions where it's essentially a subjugation tool, which is to say, not for a long-rear end time.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:03
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Al! posted:I'd imagine you'd see a lot of rich people using polygamy as a way to avoid taxes so that would be a fun thing to straighten out Much cheaper to marry the mistress too than deal with a cheating sex scandal
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Apr 12, 2016 23:06
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Overlooking the whole "tool of oppression" thing isn't impotent old Crusades cosplayers stockpiling wives a big reason why sexually frustrated young men turn to blowing themselves up in the Middle East?
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Apr 12, 2016 23:08
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Dalaram posted:Much cheaper to marry the mistress too than deal with a cheating sex scandal turns out family values republicans just had values that included polygamy
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Al! posted:I'd imagine you'd see a lot of rich people using polygamy as a way to avoid taxes so that would be a fun thing to straighten out Having to revise the tax code is legit the best argument against polygymy
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How to lose a lot of support in the GOP https://mobile.twitter.com/JustinPasciak/status/719956138947686400
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Apr 12, 2016 23:15
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Daniel Bryan posted:Personally I'd abort baby hitler At least let NML apologize to and defend baby hitler before aborting
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I thought Mormonism was only "growing" because it's impossible for defectors to get removed from the rolls, and they count dead people who get baptized posthumously as Mormon The only really solidly growing "religion" in the US anymore is atheism
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Z. Autobahn posted:I think the mindset behind polyamory and the mindset behind polygamy are really different though, to the extent that if polyamory ever became a political movement, it would be pushing the other direction (dissolving the institution of marriage altogether, at least in any kind of a legal sense). Could be, but god, that'd be a hell of a losing arguement, because then they'd ACTUALLY be doing what the conservatives always accused marriage equality advocates of: threatening current straight marriages. Also it's funny to be discussing polygamy and mormonism with a person sporting your fine avatar.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:21
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Epic High Five posted:I thought Mormonism was only "growing" because it's impossible for defectors to get removed from the rolls, and they count dead people who get baptized posthumously as Mormon You have to send in a letter of resignation if you want to leave and be struck from their records.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:24
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Squalid posted:If they're able to win a fight in the courts they won't need a big political coalition on their side. However I'm not really trying to argue that polygamy is going to become a major political issue. I just want to point out that it is a serious issue, and maybe our current policy should be reevaluated. You know what's a serious issue, everything that's not polygamy.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:How to lose a lot of support in the GOP at this point i'm guessing he's trying to build a brand for a future presidential run. he knows he has little to no hope this time around, but once the dust settles from the trumpocalypse, he might have some, "see? shoulda gone with me!  " cred.Epic High Five posted:I thought Mormonism was only "growing" because it's impossible for defectors to get removed from the rolls, and they count dead people who get baptized posthumously as Mormon from what i've been reading it's less that atheism is growing and more that more people are just "unaffiliated" - agnostic, spiritual but not religious, etc.
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