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My Imaginary GF posted:What the hell has Sanders done or said within the past month which gave ya that idea? Um I don't think you're allowed to ask someone for evidence, and then make an equally ridiculous point on the other side of the spectrum without evidence.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:42
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Teflon Don posted:My CEO will be on Rachel Maddow tonight at 8pm CST. Should we cheer or boo him?
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Apr 12, 2016 22:43
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Teflon Don posted:My CEO will be on Rachel Maddow tonight at 8pm CST. Do you mean CPT? By the way, that's how it's referred to by people. It's just one of those things, phrasing-wise. My black friends have joked about it w/ me and vice-versa. But that's an established relationship, not some public event.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:45
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Taima posted:Um I don't think you're allowed to ask someone for evidence, and then make an equally ridiculous point on the other side of the spectrum without evidence. http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-qualified/ quote:Bernie Sanders is standing by his criticism that Hillary Clinton isn't "qualified" to be president as the Democratic presidential candidates engage in an increasingly heated battle ahead of the New York primary. Translation for those without a political awareness: Sanders wants to win more than he cares about winning in the appropriate manner for the office he claims to seek, and is aware enough to know naked desire is a turnoff for most Democratic primary voters. Boywhiz88 posted:Do you mean CPT? There's a simple rule to live by if you wanna avoid gaffes: Only talk about races other than your own in a strength-based manner.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:45
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Not that people shouldn't be offended, but I think pretty much every ethnicity has a "we are always 15 minutes late" joke about themselves. At least I've heard it from a very wide range of people.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:45
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My Imaginary GF posted:How the gently caress is calling folk "colored" supposed to be funny? That just sounds racist to me. The joke isn't that people are colored. It's a joke that only works if you know CPT means colored people time. DeBlasio says "I'm on CPT", makes you think he's saying something racist, then Clinton reveals he actually meant "cautious politician time," there's nothing in the joke that actually says anything bad about any race. If the joke was "Deval Patrick just endorsed me. About time. He must be on CPT." and then it just stopped there, that would be very racist and bad. As it is, it isn't racist in and of itself, but it does rely on you knowing a bit of racist history and is therefore not a good idea. But I don't think this changes anyone's mind about anybody here the way a worse joke might.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:46
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Hellblazer187 posted:The joke isn't that people are colored. It's a joke that only works if you know CPT means colored people time. DeBlasio says "I'm on CPT", makes you think he's saying something racist, then Clinton reveals he actually meant "cautious politician time," there's nothing in the joke that actually says anything bad about any race. If the joke was "Deval Patrick just endorsed me. About time. He must be on CPT." and then it just stopped there, that would be very racist and bad. As it is, it isn't racist in and of itself, but it does rely on you knowing a bit of racist history and is therefore not a good idea. But I don't think this changes anyone's mind about anybody here the way a worse joke might. A second rule for avoiding gaffes: Only use acronyms after defining them to your audience.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:48
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Nevermind they rescheduled.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:50
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de Blasio/Biden 2016 - everything we say is a gaffe and we'll still win
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Apr 12, 2016 22:50
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Apr 12, 2016 22:54
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Hellblazer187 posted:The joke isn't that people are colored. It's a joke that only works if you know CPT means colored people time. DeBlasio says "I'm on CPT", makes you think he's saying something racist, then Clinton reveals he actually meant "cautious politician time," there's nothing in the joke that actually says anything bad about any race. If the joke was "Deval Patrick just endorsed me. About time. He must be on CPT." and then it just stopped there, that would be very racist and bad. As it is, it isn't racist in and of itself, but it does rely on you knowing a bit of racist history and is therefore not a good idea. But I don't think this changes anyone's mind about anybody here the way a worse joke might. Racism in a joke is still racist, even when it's not in the punchline.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:56
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KomradeX posted:I'm really dissapointed that my mayor would crack such an unseemly kind of racist joke Yes it's very uncommon for New York types to have such foul language
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Apr 12, 2016 22:57
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Yes it's very uncommon for New York types to have such foul language I would think a guy in the interracial marriage with mixed kids might be a little more sensitive about racist jokes
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Apr 12, 2016 23:00
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Tobermory posted:Racism in a joke is still racist, even when it's not in the punchline. This obviously doesn't excuse it, but de Blasio might think he can get away with a joke like this because his wife is black.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:00
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It's real bad form, but like you don't come up with that joke unless you live with or frequently have events with a Black family. I don't speak for my entire race, but  I just can't get outraged at it. I cringed hard as hell, was embarrassed for that whole situation, but not really angry.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:00
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Why yes, DeBlasio does fit under the bus quite nicely thank you. https://twitter.com/anniekarni/status/720004662577991682
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Apr 12, 2016 23:07
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Dexo posted:It's real bad form, but like you don't come up with that joke unless you live with or frequently have events with a Black family. "Don, what we just witnessed was a joke made by a white man that has a possibility of offending black people. What are the black folks saying about this joke?" "Well Jim, I just pulled aside this one single solitary black man and he says he's okay with it, but followed that by saying it was a bad joke overall and he cringed rather than laughed." "I'm sorry Don that wasn't the response we were looking for, are there any black college students around you to ask?"
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Apr 12, 2016 23:08
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What the hell, is CPT a New York thing? I grew up in central Maryland and never heard of it.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:16
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Tobermory posted:Racism in a joke is still racist, even when it's not in the punchline. There's racism in the joke in that it makes a reference to some racism in our culture. However, nothing about the joke actually says anything racist itself. There's nothing in the joke itself that suggests that black people are late all the time. So, I'm not going to say there's no racism involved, but I don't think it indicates racist attitudes on the part of anyone involved.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:16
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Mr. Peepers posted:What the hell, is CPT a New York thing? I grew up in central Maryland and never heard of it. My dad used to say it making fun of my very white cousin who was late all the time. My dad is from NY. So, probably I guess.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:18
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Mr. Peepers posted:What the hell, is CPT a New York thing? I grew up in central Maryland and never heard of it. It is used frequently in South Carolina. A Charleston County School Board member used it in a meeting years back in a meeting. EVERYONE knew what it was, and she tried to walk it back as "Certain People Time"...as in 'certain people who are never on time  . It didn't work and she was crushed under public scrutiny over it. It's definitely not just a NY thing.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:22
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Mr. Peepers posted:What the hell, is CPT a New York thing? I grew up in central Maryland and never heard of it. In Illinois and hear/use it all the time as a joke in black spaces.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:25
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I hear it somewhat regularly. Last time I heard it was from a buddy I was getting lunch with who showed up 15 minutes late to it to complain about how long the food took to get there
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Apr 12, 2016 23:27
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Dexo posted:In Illinois and hear/use it all the time as a joke in black spaces. I'm in NY (and am white) and have even heard it in spaces that predominately black but mixed. Also, this is totally a thing all cultural groups do. The speeches at pretty much every Bar Mitzvah I've been to have started with someone apologizing for being on Jewish People Time causing a late start.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:28
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If you've haven't heard of CPT, I'm sorry that you have no black friends. That's how I was first introduced to it. "Hey man, sorry I'm late. Running on CPT" "CPT?" "explanation here" But yeah, it was dumb as hell to do.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:32
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I only heard it second hand but wasn't the whole thing one really ill-advised awkward bit? Like including the responses? http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/on-de-blasio-and-clintons-cp-time-joke.html seems to think so. This makes it seem less overtly racist and more just really really tone deaf and stupid.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:46
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He obviously wasn't intending to insinuate black people are lazy or reinforce the CPT concept for a white audience, if you have the slightest ounce of political awareness it's perfectly clear what he's saying and where he's coming from. The baffling part is that de Blasio thought it would be a good idea to do a somewhat risque "who's on first" routine with Hillary Clinton while she runs for President.JamesKPolk posted:I only heard it second hand but wasn't the whole thing one really ill-advised awkward bit? Like including the responses? Yeah, it was all a scripted bit. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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Apr 12, 2016 23:48
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Periodiko posted:He obviously wasn't intending to insinuate black people are lazy or reinforce the CPT concept for a white audience, if you have the slightest ounce of political awareness it's perfectly clear what he's saying and where he's coming from. The baffling part is that de Blasio thought it would be a good idea to do a somewhat risque "who's on first" routine with Hillary Clinton while she runs for President. Well Clinton was asking him why he was so late so it could've just been some really subtle trolling or snub.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:51
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Yeah. In SoFla it's "Cuban Time". Still dumb, politically. It's a 'microaggression' as opposed to a blatant "look at macaca over there" so while there may not be actual malice, he really should know better.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:54
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Jesus Christ why can't people just admit it was a racist joke. If it was a republican saying it I doubt you have this kind of hand wringing. The joke is that you're subverting the (presumed) typical expectation that black people are lazy and don't show up to things on time.
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Apr 12, 2016 23:58
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uninterrupted posted:Jesus Christ why can't people just admit it was a racist joke. If it was a republican saying it I doubt you have this kind of hand wringing. Yeah, and subverting racism is not racism. It's, like, the opposite. And yeah, it matters whether a joke is told by a black person, Bill de Blasio, or Mitch McConnell. Context matters.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:01
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The House just passed H.R.4676, the Preventing Crimes Against Veterans Act of 2016, by a narrow vote of 411 to 0. Another feather in the cap of Madisonian democracy.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:03
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Joementum posted:The House just passed H.R.4676, the Preventing Crimes Against Veterans Act of 2016, by a narrow vote of 411 to 0. Another feather in the cap of Madisonian democracy. It seems to be a relatively straightforward creation of an additional specified federal crime. Defrauding a veteran of their veteran benefits can result in up to five years imprisonment, in addition to any other charges.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:06
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I've heard "irish time" used in a similar context. I don't know if that is more or less racist.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:07
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EDIT: Wrong thread, I am an idiot.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:08
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Joementum posted:The House just passed H.R.4676, the Preventing Crimes Against Veterans Act of 2016, by a narrow vote of 411 to 0. Another feather in the cap of Madisonian democracy. Is this an ironically named slashing of the budget for the VA and GI Bill?
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Apr 13, 2016 00:09
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Boywhiz88 posted:If you've haven't heard of CPT, I'm sorry that you have no black friends. That's how I was first introduced to it. "Hey man, sorry I'm late. Running on CPT" "CPT?" "explanation here" I remember taking an Anthropology of Modern Africa course, and the very Nigerian professor explained Africa Time to us because he kept mentioning it.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:09
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Periodiko posted:Yeah, and subverting racism is not racism. It's, like, the opposite. Subverting racism is not the opposite of racism. e.g. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U5TPNcXxiK0
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Apr 13, 2016 00:10
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He should have known better, it was bad form, tone-deaf, all of those things. But you're gonna have a hard time sticking de Blasio with even a "racist-ish" tag when he's been married for more than 20 years to his high school sweetheart, a black woman. I'm not saying the skit wasn't problematic, but like it or not the guy has got the black cred to wave it off. And since the punchline was a bait-and-switch pun, I don't even know how much there is to wave off. To me, the bigger issue is that nobody who knew about the skit managed to sit him down and say "we got enough problems, let's not do this".
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