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For those of you interested, communications/cultural studies scholars call this polychronic (rather than monochronic) time. 
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Apr 13, 2016 00:16
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uninterrupted posted:Jesus Christ why can't people just admit it was a racist joke. If it was a republican saying it I doubt you have this kind of hand wringing. Maybe, but context matters. There's a difference in reactions if let's say I say nigga, as a black man. Than if my cousins white wife says it it in the family Than if random white person outside of the family says it. I very well could just be granting DeBlasio too much because if the black wife. And yeah I can only speak for myself but this just doesn't trigger any rage for me. mdemone posted:To me, the bigger issue is that nobody who knew about the skit managed to sit him down and say "we got enough problems, let's not do this". Yeah this was the real problem it's like no one has any big picture view of things. Bill had just gotten justifiably slammed over his comments about black people and then they think it's a good idea to run that there with literal 0 black people involved. Dexo fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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Apr 13, 2016 00:16
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Dexo posted:
I know of at least some people in Sanders' campagin who say even if Sanders supports Hillary they're writing in Bernie. But they seem to be in the minority, thankfully.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:24
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GENERAL ELECTION POLL NUMBERS DON'T MEAN poo poo RIGHT NOW
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Teddybear posted:It seems to be a relatively straightforward creation of an additional specified federal crime. Defrauding a veteran of their veteran benefits can result in up to five years imprisonment, in addition to any other charges. I want to see how the "we can't create special rights for specific classes of people" crowd reacts.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:27
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Stallion Cabana posted:I know of at least some people in Sanders' campagin who say even if Sanders supports Hillary they're writing in Bernie. But they seem to be in the minority, thankfully. It's easy to say that now, and if you aren't in a battleground state but by November the Democratic machine will have you thinking Ted Cruz is the literal devil(actually an upgrade in perception for him tbh) and you are risking everything, 3-4 court seats, healthcare etc etc if you don't vote for Hillary.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:29
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withak posted:I've heard "irish time" used in a similar context. I don't know if that is more or less racist. That's ethnic, unless it's St. Patrick's day when every white person is Irish.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:37
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Things like being on time and standing in line are a uniquely western/northern european and their offshoots thing. CPT is the same thing as Indian Standard Time.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:42
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My Imaginary GF posted:The news for today is that Bernie Sanders is experiencing a severe enough mental illness that he believes it possible for himself to become the Vice President. Job, yes. Purpose, no. And you should be really good at distinguishing between the two. Let's take Biden. He made up for some of Obama's inexperience at working with Congress, he is a bonus emissary on executive matters, he is a bonus emissary on diplomatic matters, and he is amazing at trial balloons of possible Obama policies. Would Bernie be a good vice president? Well, maybe not, although he WOULD be handy for at least the trial balloons.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:44
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FizFashizzle posted:Things like being on time and standing in line are a uniquely western/northern european and their offshoots thing. Yeah I was an ESL teacher in the US and have taught just students from every major country and they all use it. Brazil Time, Colombia Time, Korea Time, Brown People Time, etc etc Basically Japan and the Anglo Saxon/Nordic countries are the only ones who don't.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:48
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I'm pretty sure he wasn't making a comment on polychronic vs. monochronic time, and even if he was how could you possibly expect anyone else to get that. These are a lot of weird justifications for a joke that DeBlasio himself has walked back on.
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Apr 13, 2016 00:56
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Xanderkish posted:I'm pretty sure he wasn't making a comment on polychronic vs. monochronic time, and even if he was how could you possibly expect anyone else to get that. It involved Hillary. Just watch the cognitive dissonance because if it was Bernie, Trump, or Cruz, oh boy.
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Apr 13, 2016 01:00
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Xanderkish posted:These are a lot of weird justifications for a joke that DeBlasio himself has walked back on. People are just chatting about the subject of the joke, not justifying a stupid and very poorly timed joke that's probably racist. 
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Apr 13, 2016 01:02
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Teddybear posted:It seems to be a relatively straightforward creation of an additional specified federal crime. Defrauding a veteran of their veteran benefits can result in up to five years imprisonment, in addition to any other charges. Sadly we can't send the University of Phoenix and ITT Tech to prison.
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Apr 13, 2016 01:17
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OAquinas posted:Yeah. In SoFla it's "Cuban Time". Cuban time is like 4 hours late.
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Apr 13, 2016 01:21
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At Berkeley we had "Berkeley Time" and it meant every meeting would start 0-15 minutes late so you had to get to every meeting on time and then wait around awkwardly.
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Apr 13, 2016 01:25
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Unfortunately, there are inconsiderate assholes of all races, classes, genders, and creeds who are incapable to showing up for things on time. Since their diversity removes genocide as a solution, mocking and shunning them is appropriate behavior, though we shouldn't pin it on any particular group.
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Apr 13, 2016 01:29
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Joementum posted:Unfortunately, there are inconsiderate assholes of all races, classes, genders, and creeds who are incapable to showing up for things on time. Since their diversity removes genocide as a solution, mocking and shunning them is appropriate behavior, though we shouldn't pin it on any particular group. I think you're seriously underselling creatively applied genocide here.
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Apr 13, 2016 01:31
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It's mischaracterizing it badly to call it "racist joke," but it's a joke you don't say as a white politician stumping for another white politician in a room full of white people. Bip Roberts posted:At Berkeley we had "Berkeley Time" and it meant every meeting would start 0-15 minutes late so you had to get to every meeting on time and then wait around awkwardly. This is getting far afield of the concept, but "Michigan time" is strictly defined as +10 minutes to every listed time, so everything starts exactly on time, ten minutes late. Joementum posted:Since their diversity removes genocide as a solution well let's not get too hasty, best keep every door open
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Apr 13, 2016 01:32
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Burn in Hell, Scalia.
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Apr 13, 2016 01:39
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I knew H.W. Bush wasn't in great health, but man he didn't look good throwing out the 1st pitch of the Royals - Astros game. I didn't have a clue he was in a wheelchair now 
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Apr 13, 2016 01:48
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fknlo posted:I knew H.W. Bush wasn't in great health, but man he didn't look good throwing out the 1st pitch of the Royals - Astros game. I didn't have a clue he was in a wheelchair now Parkinson's is a hell of a thing. I think he's been like that for close to 6 years now.
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Apr 13, 2016 01:50
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So basically it was a bad joke that he could have easily avoided if he thought for a minute about how even just invoking a racial term in this skit would be difficult to pull off at best? Because otherwise I'm not seeing why it should be a huge issue beyond him saying a dumb thing.
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Apr 13, 2016 01:52
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Neeksy posted:Because otherwise I'm not seeing why it should be a huge issue beyond him saying a dumb thing. We gotta have something to talk about, goddamnit, we have all these 24/7 media channels and that's a shitload of hours to fill with nothing at loving all.
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Apr 13, 2016 02:00
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I talked to a high school class full of 15 year olds today, and I have a flawless assesment of the state of the election: Everyone's going to convince their families to vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary No one's going to vote for Hillary in the fall (because they're all too young to vote). There we go. Incontrovertible proof that Bernie Sanders is going to be the next president of the united states of america.
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Apr 13, 2016 02:12
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:This is getting far afield of the concept, but "Michigan time" is strictly defined as +10 minutes to every listed time, so everything starts exactly on time, ten minutes late. Yep. Basically in order to deal with having a pretty huge campus, classes end on the hour and start at ten after (even though the schedule will say on the hour.) Of course then there's professor time, which is defined as "it's ten after Michigan time and prof ain't here, let's go to the Jug."
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Apr 13, 2016 02:16
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The ghost of Reagan is tying up loose ends in 2016. Watch out HW.
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Apr 13, 2016 02:34
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Wonder what the GOP convention is going to be like if lots of top GOPers and politicians actually do skip it: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/12/politics/republican-convention-2016/index.html tl;dr: people are skipping it, including the Freedom Caucus founding rear end in a top hat and others. fknlo posted:I knew H.W. Bush wasn't in great health, but man he didn't look good throwing out the 1st pitch of the Royals - Astros game. I didn't have a clue he was in a wheelchair now He's been wheelchair bound for years now and I don't think he goes skydiving on his birthday anymore either.
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Apr 13, 2016 02:44
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Evil Fluffy posted:Wonder what the GOP convention is going to be like if lots of top GOPers and politicians actually do skip it: It's gonna be a Red Convention. Expect Ted Cruz to show up with a Kevlar vest under his shirt.
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Apr 13, 2016 02:45
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My Imaginary GF posted:Constitutional inquiry: Does a President have the authority to dismiss or otherwise fire the Vice-President after inauguration? The Vice President is an elected official in his own right and is theoretically independent of the president. The public reaction to a President seeking his Vice President's removal would be interesting, though. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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Apr 13, 2016 02:47
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Evil Fluffy posted:
Didn't he also suffer a pretty severe neck injury of some kind last year?
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Apr 13, 2016 02:48
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Evil Fluffy posted:Wonder what the GOP convention is going to be like if lots of top GOPers and politicians actually do skip it: Holy poo poo
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Apr 13, 2016 02:49
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Mr. Peepers posted:What the hell, is CPT a New York thing? I grew up in central Maryland and never heard of it. I only first heard it when I got to college and spent time around a significant number of black people (1+). I didn't hear it from a white person until a few years ago. From Northeast Ohio and went to college in Kent, Ohio.
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fknlo posted:I knew H.W. Bush wasn't in great health, but man he didn't look good throwing out the 1st pitch of the Royals - Astros game. I didn't have a clue he was in a wheelchair now He normally shows up at my university's football games but last year he didn't show up on camera at all. Dude is pretty close to death's door.
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Apr 13, 2016 02:53
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As always, comic books have dealt with CPT in the best way possible:  Supposedly the panel with no words was supposed to have our new "hero" asking if he could use the N-word. This was written by the late Dwayne McDuffie. Earlier in his career he sent this letter to Marvel editorial: 
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FizFashizzle posted:Things like being on time and standing in line are a uniquely western/northern european and their offshoots thing. Jared Diamond's hit new book: Queues, Itineraries, and Punctuality Evil Fluffy posted:Wonder what the GOP convention is going to be like if lots of top GOPers and politicians actually do skip it: It's gonna really suck to be a Secret Service agent assigned to the Republican Convention, policing nothing but the craziest that the GOP has to offer. Maybe we need to go ahead and allow those poor guys some hookers and booze this time.
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Apr 13, 2016 03:05
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Shakenbaker posted:As always, comic books have dealt with CPT in the best way possible: Dwayne McDuffie was the best all the time. Dude knew how to write comics. But the best part is from wikipedia. quote:The original candidate for DC Comics' first headlining black superhero was a character called the Black Bomber, a white racist who would turn into a black superhero under stress, and be later described by comics historian Don Markstein as "an insult to practically everybody with any point of view at all."
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Apr 13, 2016 03:06
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uninterrupted posted:Subverting racism is not the opposite of racism. What you're saying doesn't make sense in the context of the joke. De Blasio isn't literally late, the bit isn't saying that he arrived late to the event unlike a black person. He's late to endorsing Hillary Clinton. The joke is that he gives this shocking/baffling excuse of "CPT", then Leslie Odom Jr. says "That's not — I don't like jokes like that, Bill." and Hillary clarifies: "Cautious politician time. I've been there." It's wordplay, like if de Blasio had said "and then I called him the N-word", then a dude reacts with faux shock, and he clarifies that he meant n e o liberal*. It's the same sort of thing as when Larry David goes on about "the Blacks" and then someone overhears him and thinks he's being racist, but the audience knows he actually means a family of people named Black. Or whatever. It has absolutely nothing to do with black people being late or not late, it has to do with de Blasio seeming to say an inappropriate thing, and then clarifying it. It's literally the premise of the bit that him saying "CPT" in the traditional sense is a horrible thing to do. It's a joke specifically tailored to an audience that presumes that the idea of CPT is racist, which is why it's different from a hypothetical Republican saying it, since the underlying presumptions and audience would be different. You're talking about a three-person sketch that involved a black person as the straight man, which doesn't automatically make it okay, but gives a different context to the bit. And you're talking about a guy in a biracial family raising a black son, who has done a lot to push back against racist policies by the police of that city. It just bothers me because I think most of the people who are claiming a negative reaction to the joke don't even know the full context of the bit, and the whole thing reinforces the unfortunate narrative that the left is composed of slacktivist scolds who would rather police language in inconsequential ways than actually accomplish meaningful change. And who can't take a loving joke. Nevermind de Blasio's history in New York, and his discussing that his black son has to be essentially afraid of the police. That is speech that matters, not a lame joke that dances close to the line, and doesn't even cross it. * holy poo poo, there's a word filter in D&D that changes n e o liberal to "n-word"?? haha Periodiko fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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Apr 13, 2016 03:40
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True consciousness is free of things like time, and whiteness.
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Dexo posted:Yeah this was the real problem it's like no one has any big picture view of things. Bill had just gotten justifiably slammed over his comments about black people and then they think it's a good idea to run that there with literal 0 black people involved. Leslie Odom Jr. is black. The straight man of the bit was a black man.
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