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hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Darth Walrus posted:

Remind me, why's the job of Whittingdale's girlfriend such a big deal again? Was she engaged in the less legal elements of prostitution?

It's not really, and under normal circumstances I think most of us would have read the story, said 'so what?' and that would be the end. But the fact that the newspapers (who at this moment are gagging at the bit to write a blow by blow account of a really not very well known celebrities completely legal and consensual threesome) all decided that salubrious details of a ministers sex life aren't actually very interesting at all and not worth writing about because the man who actually has power and isn't a singer/actor/footballer has a right to privacy goddamnit is very odd.

Edit: In 1959 the Obscene Publications Act became law.

hookerbot 5000 fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Apr 13, 2016

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
1 of those newspapers pulled the story because they're based in the mail's building and were worried about upsetting them

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
Yeah, I really can;t work out why I'm even close to supposed to care that an MP is in a relationship with an escort except for the vanishingly small blackmail possibilities which admittedly no longer really exist.

Unless there's something more to it it really has the feel of trying to find something to distract from #DodgyDave.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Darth Walrus posted:

Remind me, why's the job of Whittingdale's girlfriend such a big deal again? Was she engaged in the less legal elements of prostitution?

The BBC has a decent explanation of why anyone should care

quote:

John Whittingdale and the press

How have we found ourselves in this strange situation where privacy campaigners who have pushed for tighter rules are up in arms because the private life of a single cabinet minister was not reported?

If you're scratching your head lets let's start briefly with what has actually happened.

Between August 2013 and February 2014 when he was chair of the powerful Commons culture and media committee the Conservative John Whittingdale had a relationship with a woman who he met online on the dating site match.com - he only found out that she was a sex worker when a reporter contacted him with that information, and as soon as he was aware he ended the relationship.

More than a year later he is promoted to be the culture secretary - taking responsibility for press regulation. Crucially he did not tell Downing Street that some of the newspapers had this story about his private life, that Labour's Chris Bryant has described as a 'sword of Damocles' hanging over his head.

The political question is whether or not therefore he knowingly entered into an insufferable conflict of interest - and whether his decisions on the press were influenced by his own situation. He absolutely denies that. Of course Number Ten isn't exactly delighted about it all but they say he is a single man who had a relationship, move on.

Why does it matter now?

There is unfinished business from the Leveson Inquiry into the hacking scandal. The second part of the inquiry looking into ties between the papers and the police hasn't yet taken place. It was put on hold while the legal processes were completed, but there's scepticism around Westminster over whether it will ever take place.

In March, Mr Whittingdale said there wouldn't be a decision until all the criminal proceedings finished and the government has repeated that now.

But there's a suggestion too, put forward by privacy campaigners, that the government has gone soft on the real tightening of the rules on the press. At the end of last year Mr Whittingdale announced that papers could be protected from punitive damages in some cases.

And the recommendation of the Leveson Inquiry that papers be regulated under a Royal Charter hasn't happened, with papers forming their own regulatory body instead.

The newspapers would say things have changed since Leveson in any case, and it's nonsense to suggest it's back to business as usual pre-hacking.

But with this information about John Whittingdale now out in the public domain, Labour is suggesting that he cannot possibly be in charge of press relegation and should step aside from this part of his job - because he is vulnerable to pressure from the press.

There is no sense right now this will happen. Sources in government suggest it would be ludicrous to suggest he should be held responsible for the fact that newspapers decided not to publish a story about his private life. And it's also important to note that John Whittingdale as a political character would always have been likely to go for light touch regulation in any case.

It's also highly likely that there will be a reshuffle in the aftermath of the EU referendum, if the political calculation turns out to be that Mr Whittingdale should be moved.

But this is certainly the kind of headache that the government could do without, and it's the kind of story, involving politicians, the papers, and sex, that could well take an unpredictable turn.

Peter Jukes, founder of Byline, also had this to say

https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/720190188522237956

Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Apr 13, 2016

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

thespaceinvader posted:

Yeah, I really can;t work out why I'm even close to supposed to care that an MP is in a relationship with an escort except for the vanishingly small blackmail possibilities which admittedly no longer really exist.

Unless there's something more to it it really has the feel of trying to find something to distract from #DodgyDave.

He's not just an MP though. He's the person in charge of deciding whether to make press regulation more thorough

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Jose posted:

He's not just an MP though. He's the person in charge of deciding whether to make press regulation more thorough

Who was being blackmailed by the press, or potentially so, that makes more sense. Thanks.

Brown Moses posted:

The BBC has a decent explanation of why anyone should care


Peter Jukes, founder of Byline, also had this to say

https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/720190188522237956

As regards the Hedley Lamarr tweet, surely it's possible that a prosttute might, you know, LIE about what she does when she's in a relationship with someone?

Blacknose
Jul 28, 2006

Meet frustration face to face
A point of view creates more waves
So lose some sleep and say you tried

josh04 posted:

Don't know if anyone from here attended, but I was filming at the Downing St. protest last saturday and made another short film:



I know this is from a few pages ago but don't film people who are bloked up and post it on the internet, fucks sake.

http://rabble.org.uk/in-defence-of-smashing-cameras/

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Harley C posted:

I recently moved to London and became an Dual British Citizen. Upon paying 3 months of rent

Uh...how did you achieve this? It's going to take my wife about five years to do that :shobon:

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
The worry is that the press (which Whittingdale is in charge of regulating) know about the story and could blackmail him with it were he to make decisions they didn't like.

Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

thespaceinvader posted:

Who was being blackmailed by the press, or potentially so, that makes more sense. Thanks.


As regards the Hedley Lamarr tweet, surely it's possible that a prosttute might, you know, LIE about what she does when she's in a relationship with someone?

It's been alleged in the weeks leading up to the press running the story that he knew what she did as did other MPs and she was handing out business cards in the HoP. The moral outcry about her work is the actual smokescreen. This is about press regulation.

Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

ultrabindu posted:

https://twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe/status/720182951175200771

George Osborne's old friend wants to stick the knife in.

someone's house is getting raided again

NO FUCK YOU DAD
Oct 23, 2008

feedmegin posted:

Uh...how did you achieve this? It's going to take my wife about five years to do that :shobon:
Probably by having a British parent. My flatmate at uni was an Irish guy who got a British passport to qualify for lower fees because his mum was from Walthamstowe.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Poor Dave looks a bit tired.

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Darth Walrus posted:

Remind me, why's the job of Whittingdale's girlfriend such a big deal again? Was she engaged in the less legal elements of prostitution?

A tory mp had sex with a consenting adult. That's pretty unusual, so it makes the headlines.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Quote-Unquote posted:

A tory mp had sex with a consenting adult. That's pretty unusual, so it makes the headlines.

Oh no it won't! *cackles*

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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Blacknose posted:

I know this is from a few pages ago but don't film people who are bloked up and post it on the internet, fucks sake.

http://rabble.org.uk/in-defence-of-smashing-cameras/

I'm aware of the potential for causing harm and try to be appropriately cautious. If they were involved in an action or it were difficult to pick them out outside of me filming, I'd exercise caution, but these folks were five metres from Downing St, standing up in a crowd of seated people, waving a twenty foot anarchist flag. I don't think there's much scope for me letting anything slip through filming which was not already apparent.

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo

josh04 posted:

I'm aware of the potential for causing harm and try to be appropriately cautious. If they were involved in an action or it were difficult to pick them out outside of me filming, I'd exercise caution, but these folks were five metres from Downing St, standing up in a crowd of seated people, waving a twenty foot anarchist flag. I don't think there's much scope for me letting anything slip through filming which was not already apparent.

I love how that article doesn't consider the use of journalist photos and videos as a way of keeping tabs on the police, as has happened at lots of recent demos and protests. We've caught the Met being bellends on more than one occasion.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

It skims over it, but considers the danger of police analysis of the mass of crowdsourced data a bigger concern. Which it probably is, but how do you put that genie back in the bottle?

e: I took it out, but I had a shot of someone filming the crowd with a cameraphone which gets spoiled by someone else with a cameraphone filming the crowd moving directly between us.

josh04 fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Apr 13, 2016

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

thehustler posted:

I love how that article doesn't consider the use of journalist photos and videos as a way of keeping tabs on the police, as has happened at lots of recent demos and protests. We've caught the Met being bellends on more than one occasion.

at the last dover demo a couple weeks back we saw a bunch of plain clothes cops sneaking back behind police lines after mingling in the crowd for a while. I've proposed to my group that we go back through video taken by activists, try to get mugshots of the plainclothes police and publish them to Crabgrass or something. There are uses for activist-led recording of demos, but ideally it's going to be delegated to specific people who know how to edit their footage to protect activists.
Dickheads who just turn up with a GoPro and iPad and start filming everything (I've seen this more than once) and everybody despite being asked not to deserve to get their poo poo smashed.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Harley C posted:

Actually they are both my own governments, and from my perspective England has a significantly shittier more corrupt one. Two votes are better than one.

I'm afraid we don't have any actual concentration camps that I know of. We are lovely but we are not yet Australia levels of lovely.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

I'm afraid we don't have any actual concentration camps that I know of. We are lovely but we are not yet Australia levels of lovely.

we have detention camps for refugees and migrants facing deportation, and I believe we may have managed to get some of those detainees raped or killed in custody, so we're trying, drat it.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The UK has managed to become terrified of boats over the past 12 months too, but not as badly as Australia. Keep on reaching for that poo poo filled trophy, British press.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
was it our government or the australian government where all the people in one of the detention centres asked for permission to kill themselves because it was so horrible?

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Oberleutnant posted:

we have detention camps for refugees and migrants facing deportation, and I believe we may have managed to get some of those detainees raped or killed in custody, so we're trying, drat it.

riots kicked off in the local one after a staff member was caught and not fired for rape

australias detainees just beg for death offshore

swings and roundabouts

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



There are two deportees I can think of offhand that were beaten to death on planes at the hands of G4S employees, and one that was murdered by the police when they raided her flat to arrest her.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jose posted:

was it our government or the australian government where all the people in one of the detention centres asked for permission to kill themselves because it was so horrible?

I believe that one was Australia.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Oberleutnant posted:

Dickheads who just turn up with a GoPro and iPad and start filming everything (I've seen this more than once) and everybody despite being asked not to deserve to get their poo poo smashed.

So people who are legally filming in public deserve to be assaulted because you don't like what they're doing?

Remind me which side of this grubby little squabble you're on again?

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

this grubby little squabble
Flaps's hot take on racism and xenophobia in 2016. Nice, nice.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Oberleutnant posted:

Flaps's hot take on racism and xenophobia in 2016. Nice, nice.

There's nothing new about two sets of hooligans running around towns, it just has less to do with football than it used to.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

There's nothing new about two sets of hooligans running around towns, it just has less to do with football than it used to.

gently caress off, you wretched little turd

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Crashbee
May 15, 2007

Stupid people are great at winning arguments, because they're too stupid to realize they've lost.
What would you do if an immigrant turned up and started filming everything, smash all their stuff regardless?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Oberleutnant posted:

gently caress off, you wretched little turd

You're going to get your V for Vendetta mask all soggy.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Crashbee posted:

What would you do if an immigrant turned up and started filming everything, smash all their stuff regardless?

We haven't smashed anything yet - we've warned a specific individual repeatedly (like, he was warned in January Dover, then Liverpool, then was seen filming again in this last Dover), and he refuses to listen, and his group can't seem to control him.

Also, there are usually fluffy demos for people not engaged in militant activity, people can film with them all they want. AFN demos are usually self-contained and have their own rally points and structure because of the knowledge that fluffies won't want to get involved in the same activity as AFN members. If you're turning up to an AFN demo you're travelling on AFN transport and a member of an AFN group, and are expected to not film other activists.

communism bitch fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Apr 13, 2016

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



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Crashbee posted:

What would you do if an immigrant turned up and started filming everything, smash all their stuff regardless?
Yes, you should smash Rupert Murdoch's stuff.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Can't say I have the greatest of sympathy for people turning up at antifash actions and treating them like a blogging adventure.

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life
The Remain campaign is off to a good start:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/can-i-ask-eu-a-favour

quote:

Young people are being urged to pick up the phone or send an e-card to their grandparents to persuade them to vote Remain in the upcoming EU referendum.

In a sign of growing panic that older Eurosceptics could swing the vote, the pro-EU camp launched a new “Talk to Gran” campaign on Wednesday aimed at winning over all generations.

[…]

The new campaign from Britain Stronger in Europe is asking its young supporters, especially students, to speak to their older relatives either face-to-face, over the phone, or via a postcard or e-card.

Fourteen different postcard designs are available, with different variations for Mum, Dad, Gran, Grandad, and Nan. One says: “Gran, let’s sit down for a cuppa, a slice of Battenberg and… a chat about why my future’s in the EU.”



:psyduck:

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
If you take pictures at Antifa protests you're basically doing Redwatch's job for them.

Congratulations, you're a fascist collaborator.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


The idea is pretty good, too bad the execution is loving awful.

Blacknose
Jul 28, 2006

Meet frustration face to face
A point of view creates more waves
So lose some sleep and say you tried

Oberleutnant posted:

We haven't smashed anything yet - we've warned a specific individual repeatedly (like, he was warned in January Dover, then Liverpool, then was seen filming again in this last Dover), and he refuses to listen, and his group can't seem to control him.

Dickhead with a gopro strapped to his forehead?

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ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
the impulse to join groups of fellow young comrades-in-disenchanted-arms is driven by trivial, petty motives like "desire for human companionship"

which, in a contemporary era, often features selfies

you may as well ask why the ISIS twitterati include helpful ICBM addresses in their uploaded photos

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