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Baal posted:Jokes on you, those people are suckers Some of them, sure. Others are actually enjoying the game. Believe it or not. You can actually enjoy playing a game, not regret buying it, but then talk about how things could be better. Or you can not play the game, not buy it, and talk about how things could be better. Those are both good things to do.
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Corbeau posted:Overwatch is wannabe TF2. It's okay if you like that kind of thing, but "huge" strikes me as... optimistic. It has a lot different from TF2, and it's a Blizzard game so it's gonna have a big audience And most importantly, it's designed from the ground up to be played seriously instead of sitting around idling for hats
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Apr 14, 2016 00:12
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honestly, tf2 isn't the worst thing in the world for blizzard to "blizzard"
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Hobojim posted:Some of them, sure. Others are actually enjoying the game. Believe it or not. There's actually several different ways you can approach discussing a game and it's not some linear hard path that people are required to adhere to, it's a pretty shocking concept, huh?
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Apr 14, 2016 00:14
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Srice posted:And most importantly, it's designed from the ground up to be played seriously instead of sitting around idling for hats TF2 was too, then after a few class updates they decided to use TF2 as their testing ground to see if they could make more billions of dollars doing absolutely nothing.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:17
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NecroMonster posted:honestly, tf2 isn't the worst thing in the world for blizzard to "blizzard" My favorite thing about that mess is that TF2 started development on a competitive mode after Overwatch was announced. Roughly 6 or 7 years too late, there.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:17
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I wish I could be as happy as Bipson.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:18
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:TF2 was too, then after a few class updates they decided to use TF2 as their testing ground to see if they could make more billions of dollars doing absolutely nothing. They never, ever attempted any sort of competitive mode until very recently and even then it's only because of Overwatch. Overwatch meanwhile is all about finding matches and getting games done instead of joking around.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:18
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TF2's biggest failing is that the competitive matches bear no resemblance to the game that most people play.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:22
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tf2 stopped being a "competitive" game because, as it happens again and again and again and again, while people who play games say the want competitive player vs player games, they don't actually want to play them. they would much rather have games that look sort of like competitive games that are instead about collecting dumb poo poo or spending endless hours grinding to accrue some sort of meaningless rank.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:24
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:I wish I could be as happy as Bipson. He's just happy because no matter how little or much we know about this game, we can all pretty much agree bisons pretty drat good.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:25
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A.o.D. posted:TF2's biggest failing is that the competitive matches bear no resemblance to the game that most people play. It's definitely no coincidence that the biggest competitive PC games right now play by very close if not exact rules between pro and pub levels.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:25
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Srice posted:They never, ever attempted any sort of competitive mode until very recently and even then it's only because of Overwatch. That doesn't mean it wasn't designed to be played seriously. The format that emerged naturally is probably better off for it since early on in a games life cycle it's hard, especially for devs, to determine what is a good standard for competitive play. There are other factors, like the state of 'esports' in general when the game was released that probably factored heavily into it not being designed wholly for and marketed toward a thing that was in relative infancy. The early updates were very well in line with the design philosophy they talk about in the dev commentary, but like I said it was mostly thrown out the window within a year and the game turned into Wacky Hat Modelling Sim with Funny Guns.
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Apr 14, 2016 00:26
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SFV owns; if you don't like it then maybe this game and its nine frames of imput lag isn't for you. Unironically.
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I don't think Overwatch will pull in the number of viewers Counter-Strike does. That'd be cool if it did, because I'm really looking forward to the game and want it to be popular. But I've watched a handful of competitive Overwatch tourneys and they were just ok. They weren't like super fun to watch, but I guess maybe that's because I haven't actually had a chance to play it. Counter-Strike though... almost a decade and half later and I'm still watching pro matches. I wish I could play CS as much as I did when I was younger. Being an adult sucks sometimes. I just want to play muh videogamez. 
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bhsman posted:SFV owns; if you don't like it then maybe this game and its nine frames of imput lag isn't for you. Have you tried it with vsync off?
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My only remaining opinion on TF2 is that I enjoyed Highlander matches. Overwatch could be okay but I got my fill of class based team shooters over 1000 hours of TF2 and I can't bring myself to care about it. It's still relatively slow though. Splatoon is good in spite of being slow and on a console, because Nintendo understands map and zone control and it has a deeper movement game than anyone but UT4 is currently offering. It also has no autoaim, which leads to some people complaining it's hard to hit people  I couldn't even tell you the current state of CS:GO because it now locks 5v5s behind dozens of hours of grinding that I gave up on after playing 5 hours of 10v10 shitfest and gungame matches that are nothing like the CS I like and got less than 1/4th of 1 level I needed to get back into 5v5s. Still no 5v5 unranked. Quake Live went pay to play more or less killing it overnight AFAIK UT4 is good but has no marketing behind it yet so no one's playing it. Those are my hot takes on literally the only notables from the last 10 years.
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I wonder if fighting games will ever get to the stupidly large prize pools mobas get
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CSGO matchmaking blows. Luckily there's poo poo like FACEIT and ESEA or like CEVO as alternatives to pug it up. I miss CAL and OGL.
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Wow I completely forgot about Splatoon Splatoon is good and I wish I played it more often
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Booyah- posted:Have you tried it with vsync off? I haven't messed with it yet, but I haven't noticed a significant difference between this and USF4 on PC. Might just be me, though. 
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My favorite thing about Overwatch matches overall tho is that matches end far, far, far soon than TF2 matches. No endless stalemates that drag on forever, and thank god for that.teagone posted:I don't think Overwatch will pull in the number of viewers Counter-Strike does. That'd be cool if it did, because I'm really looking forward to the game and want it to be popular. But I've watched a handful of competitive Overwatch tourneys and they were just ok. They weren't like super fun to watch, but I guess maybe that's because I haven't actually had a chance to play it. Counter-Strike though... almost a decade and half later and I'm still watching pro matches. I wish I could play CS as much as I did when I was younger. Being an adult sucks sometimes. I just want to play muh videogamez. I don't think any shooter is gonna be able to replicate CS:GO's success anytime soon. It had a very unusual surge in popularity at some point down the line after an okay launch and it just exploded and kept growing.
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Alfalfa The Roach posted:Wow I completely forgot about Splatoon It's still alive and good
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Help Im Alive posted:I wonder if fighting games will ever get to the stupidly large prize pools mobas get It seems like a huge missed opportunity that no fighting games copy the Dota model of selling cosmetics that help fund prize pools.
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Help Im Alive posted:I wonder if fighting games will ever get to the stupidly large prize pools mobas get 500k at Capcom Cup 15 is p insane
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teagone posted:I don't think Overwatch will pull in the number of viewers Counter-Strike does. That'd be cool if it did, because I'm really looking forward to the game and want it to be popular. But I've watched a handful of competitive Overwatch tourneys and they were just ok. They weren't like super fun to watch, but I guess maybe that's because I haven't actually had a chance to play it. Counter-Strike though... almost a decade and half later and I'm still watching pro matches. I wish I could play CS as much as I did when I was younger. Being an adult sucks sometimes. I just want to play muh videogamez. this guy might have some questionable fight game opinions but he can at least click the heads p. well
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bhsman posted:I haven't messed with it yet, but I haven't noticed a significant difference between this and USF4 on PC. Might just be me, though. its worth trying, it feels significantly better. I tried going back and it feels like I'm playing under water
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Baal posted:500k at Capcom Cup 15 is p insane It was 500k for the entire pro tour. Capcom Cup had a 250k prize pot split among the top 8.
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Baal posted:500k at Capcom Cup 15 is p insane yeah but I was googling it today and there's some dota tournament with an $18 million prize pool
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Help Im Alive posted:yeah but I was googling it today and there's some dota tournament with an $18 million prize pool The way they raise that money is a brilliant work of marketing.
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Help Im Alive posted:yeah but I was googling it today and there's some dota tournament with an $18 million prize pool How
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Baal posted:How They sell a compendium, which gives you a lot of stuff for like 10 bux (Or more if you want extra goodies but the cheapest version still gives out a lot of stuff) And a portion of that money goes into the prize pool. And as more money goes into the prize pool, it's like Kickstarter stretch goals, every owner will get more and more stuff. Most of it consists of hats and other cosmetics but there's also a bunch of stuff that helps get the community invested in the pro scene; for the tournament you can do stuff like predict what teams will be at the top, game stats, etc, and you get rewards for guessing correctly. It would be really simple to adapt that sort of thing for fighting games in a way that could get people who don't give a poo poo about tournaments to suddenly care. I mean heck, how many people only care about March Madness because of their brackets?
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I am a little bit surprised Capcom hasn't tried to do that yet, but I feel like Japanese companies are both iffy about that sort of thing as a whole and not to mention the FGC is poor and does not want to drop money for cosmetics that much on top of it being a pretty stubborn community in general. I think KI's the closest it's come to that sort of thing and really they asked you to donate 20 bucks towards prize pools and you get like Shago and some KI Gold as a thanks.
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Baal posted:That's still loving nuts Agreed, but its still nowhere near DOTA or CSGO numbers. Just making a clarification is all  The number of viewers that SFV premier events have been pulling in on twitch this year have been pretty high though, so hopefully that might help in getting a larger prize pool next season. Baby steps!General Morden posted:this guy might have some questionable fight game opinions Counter-Strike will always be my game  I've only been playing fighting games seriously and watching tourney streams for roughly 2 years now I think, so I'm well aware of how uninformed my opinions on fighting games are  I'm also well aware of SFV's issues, but despite its flaws, I still find it loads of fun to play (at least in online lobbies or locally).
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Srice posted:They sell a compendium, which gives you a lot of stuff for like 10 bux (Or more if you want extra goodies but the cheapest version still gives out a lot of stuff) The big difference in business model is that Dota 2 as a game is completely free, and the upgrades you get are only cosmetic. It's easy for people to see that TI is going on, buy in on a $10 compendium and see what the fuss is about. I like the dota model too, but it's hard to do when your player base is 1/100th the size.
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Baal posted:I am a little bit surprised Capcom hasn't tried to do that yet, but I feel like Japanese companies are both iffy about that sort of thing as a whole and not to mention the FGC is poor and does not want to drop money for cosmetics that much on top of it being a pretty stubborn community in general. I think it'd be cool if someone tried it on a small scale to test the waters Something like hey here's a $5 skin (or maybe even less!) and the proceeds go to this prize pool, that sorta thing
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Alex alt costume by Capcom: Alex alt costume by random internet dude doing the work for free 
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Booyah- posted:Alex alt costume by Capcom: Might want to check that first pic again.  Also, the Alex mod looks sweet but the face is kinda weird.
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