UKMT April 2016: David Cameron's P19 Form

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Prince John posted:

I'd like to propose dethroning Monster Munch as the UKMT crisp of choice. They're clearly resting on their laurels if they think that this counts as a full pack of crisps:

i've had someone insist i need to eat brannigans smoked ham and pickle crisps recently and they're a top crisp. thick cut and they go heavy on the flavouring

# ? Apr 14, 2016 21:32

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Jose posted:

i've had someone insist i need to eat brannigans smoked ham and pickle crisps recently and they're a top crisp. thick cut and they go heavy on the flavouring

their steak and mustard ones are pretty good too

# ? Apr 14, 2016 21:36

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

brannigans mustard is best chip

# ? Apr 14, 2016 21:37

EmptyVessel: Oct 30, 2012

Implied Consent posted:

What's a Lib Dem?

Something vaguely wishy-washy (or is it flippy-floppy? airey-fairey? idk) that would be more appropriately termed a Limp Dem.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 21:39

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Hello, dear

All goons join us in #ukgoons (synirc) for Question Time in an hour. Tonight it's in Doncaster with [Tory poo poo] Daniel Hannan MEP, shadow work and pensions secretary Owen Smith, Westminster leader of the SNP Angus Robertson, Green Party peer Baroness Jones and [Tory poo poo] Dia Chakravarty of the TaxPayers' Alliance.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 21:39

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JFairfax posted:

brannigans mustard is best chip

Well yeehaw

# ? Apr 14, 2016 21:51

cargohills: Apr 18, 2014

Jose posted:

i've had someone insist i need to eat brannigans smoked ham and pickle crisps recently and they're a top crisp. thick cut and they go heavy on the flavouring

They are beautiful crisps.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 22:19

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

thespaceinvader posted:

Another one of those beautiful laws that make already-illegal things illegal.

I wrote a long post about the stupidity of the Terrorism Act and the forums went down before I could post it. Coincidence...?

# ? Apr 14, 2016 22:19

Rush Limbo: Sep 5, 2005; its with a full house

I'm quite fond of Seabrook's crisps, but they're quite hard to get hold of sometimes.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 22:39

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

The Guardian view on Mr Corbyn�s newfound enthusiasm for Europe: a mark of more mature leadership

quote:

To leave, Mr Corbyn warned, would gratify those who would strip away employment rights and pursue an aggressive market free-for-all that could accelerate the hollowing out of British industry. Arguments along those lines have been central to the left defence of Europe for a generation. Mr Corbyn made a case not so different from the one that Jacques Delors, as president of the European commission, used in 1988 with an address to the TUC that was credited with single-handedly shifting opinion in previously hostile British trade unions.

If the Labour leader has been slower than some of his comrades to accept that logic, it is perhaps because he has not, until recently, had to confront the straight in/out dilemma. His past criticism of European institutions, while fierce, never reached explicit conviction that Britain would be better off quitting the project altogether. So it is not wholly inconsistent � not as much as the Brexit campaigners make out � for Mr Corbyn to now declare, given the forced choice before him, that the best path is indeed to �remain and reform�.

...

Mr Corbyn�s decision to ally himself wholeheartedly with that venture may run counter to the tone of some of his previous comments, but that should not bring his motive into question. It speaks to a healthy evolution from the politics of sideline commentary and complaint to the ranks of national leadership.

It's in the Guardian, but it sounds... not bad for Corbyn?? Almost un-bad, or anti-bad... hm, I'm sure there's a word for this.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 22:45

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

Ddraig posted:

I'm quite fond of Seabrook's crisps, but they're quite hard to get hold of sometimes.

Me too, the beefy ones. Poundshops are your friend. Also, QT now, with the only people who still care about us, the tax payers alliance.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 22:46

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

TACD posted:

The Guardian view on Mr Corbyn�s newfound enthusiasm for Europe: a mark of more mature leadership
It's in the Guardian, but it sounds... not bad for Corbyn?? Almost un-bad, or anti-bad... hm, I'm sure there's a word for this.

Since the Guardian is wrong about everything, this might actually be bad for Corbyn.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 22:49

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Embracing my point of view is the mark of Mature leadership

# ? Apr 14, 2016 22:51

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

I wrote a long post about the stupidity of the Terrorism Act and the forums went down before I could post it. Coincidence...?

Got a summary?

Other than "Blair's terror policy was sufficiently awful that it created an entire generation of one time Lib Dem voters." :v:

# ? Apr 14, 2016 22:53

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

Got a summary?

Other than "Blair's terror policy was sufficiently awful that it created an entire generation of one time Lib Dem voters."

Pretty much that, yeah.

Other news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36044157

quote:

First-time buyers in London will need to earn �106,000 to buy a home in 2020, the charity Shelter has predicted.

London buyers will also need a deposit of �138,000 to buy a typical home which it calculates will then be worth �558,000.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:01

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

TACD posted:

The Guardian view on Mr Corbyn�s newfound enthusiasm for Europe: a mark of more mature leadership
It's in the Guardian, but it sounds... not bad for Corbyn?? Almost un-bad, or anti-bad... hm, I'm sure there's a word for this.

Martin Kettle broke ranks to outright praise him:

quote:

Meanwhile the feebleness belongs to David Cameron. He called this referendum. He always knew he would be campaigning to stay in Europe. But he did little to prepare the ground and has given practically no thought to the alliances that will be required to ensure a remain win. A reckless budget and an inept response to the Panama Papers means that Cameron comes to the campaign starting line like an athlete lining up for the race of his life after a night on the tiles.

All of which adds up to the extraordinary truth that, for once, Cameron desperately needed Corbyn to rise to the occasion. Labour votes will be crucial on 23 June, and until now Corbyn has allowed the idea to get around that he is not massively bothered by the outcome of the referendum. That made Thursday a speak-for-England moment for a Labour leader who is an instinctive sectarian � yet it was one that he seized.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:03

Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

I can't believe that the first half of Question Time has been spun into a dissection of Corbyn's personal views rather than a discussion on the actual issues of Europe.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:09

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

TACD posted:

The Guardian view on Mr Corbyn�s newfound enthusiasm for Europe: a mark of more mature leadership
It's in the Guardian, but it sounds... not bad for Corbyn?? Almost un-bad, or anti-bad... hm, I'm sure there's a word for this.

Of course, the right wing papers have been gleefully crowing about how he's always been Eurosceptic and how embarassing his speech was and whatnot. So this IS bad for Corbyn...

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I wrote a long post about the stupidity of the Terrorism Act and the forums went down before I could post it. Coincidence...?

YES. YES IT IS A COINCIDENCE HI GCHQ.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:10

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

Prince John posted:

I can't believe that the first half of Question Time has been spun into a dissection of Corbyn's personal views rather than a discussion on the actual issues of Europe.

Really?

E: Scary old lady on QT with... interestingly applied make up (may be a clown) snarling 'I want my country back'

Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 14, 2016

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:12

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Prince John posted:

I'd like to propose dethroning Monster Munch as the UKMT crisp of choice

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# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:13

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Prince John posted:

I can't believe that the first half of Question Time has been spun into a dissection of Corbyn's personal views rather than a discussion on the actual issues of Europe.

You need to lower your expectations of QT it is poo poo.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:13

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Prince John posted:

I can't believe that the first half of Question Time has been spun into a dissection of Corbyn's personal views rather than a discussion on the actual issues of Europe.

Do you not remember the country we live in or something?

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:17

Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

^^ I'm very bad at constantly giving people the benefit of the doubt.

Trickjaw posted:

E: Scary old lady on QT with... interestingly applied make up (may be a clown) snarling 'I want my country back'

I was really hoping Angus Robertson would reply to David saying "well, the lady didn't actually make a coherent point."

Daniel Hannan is way too loving slick at this; very dangerous man for the pro-EU camp.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:18

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Pretty much that, yeah.

Other news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36044157

It is fine. In that London is being turned into a "city upon a hill". A giant economically walled off city for the elite while the area around it, in this case the entire rest of the country, is slowly drained of wealth and resources. I don't think any of this is an accident.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:23

MrL_JaKiri: Sep 23, 2003; A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Regarde Aduck posted:

It is fine. In that London is being turned into a "city upon a hill". A giant economically walled off city for the elite while the area around it, in this case the entire rest of the country, is slowly drained of wealth and resources. I don't think any of this is an accident.

And we can be its kings. Or better than kings. Gods.

\

Gideon

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:24

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

Prince John posted:

Daniel Hannan is way too loving slick at this; very dangerous man for the pro-EU camp.

He has been at it for years. He was widely thought to be one of the splitters to UKIP, that Nige mooted before the GE. Also, I think fans said about double taxation, so he wins this weeks bingo.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:25

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The inability of anyone present to make the basic case for inheritance tax is utterly infuriating.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:27

Hobo: Dec 12, 2007; Forum bum

josh04 posted:

The inability of anyone present to make the basic case for inheritance tax is utterly infuriating.

Especially Jenny Jones, who as far as I am concerned is rapidly becoming a liability to the Green Party.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:29

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

Go and loving smack him big shouty lady. I'm behind you.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:30

Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

josh04 posted:

The inability of anyone present to make the basic case for inheritance tax is utterly infuriating.

Finally, some kid has just done that.

I was just fuming at the incompetence. They let Taxpayers Alliance mouthpiece spout the "number of people paying it has quadrupled", but nobody points out that it's a tiny absolute number of people.

They let someone give a textbook "austerity is necessary with the deficit Labour left us" argument, and neither the Green, SNP or Labour politician is able to point out that the deficit is much larger now. Pretty shoddy stuff.

# ? Apr 14, 2016 23:47

Renfield: Feb 29, 2008

MrL_JaKiri posted:

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# ? Apr 15, 2016 00:03

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# ? Apr 15, 2016 00:05

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

Pissflaps, noted computer user Liz Kendall is on this week. She just crossed her legs and i think she may not be wearing any drawers, proving her superior to Corbyn.

# ? Apr 15, 2016 00:06

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Trickjaw posted:

Pissflaps, noted computer user Liz Kendall is on this week

She's on every week, which wouldn't be so bad if she didn't basically show that Labour's blairite darling is as verbally incompetent as Diane Abbott, and worse because she also acts like a teenager trying to pretend they're over 18 so they can get into the club but not quite pulling off the fully-convincing bit.

# ? Apr 15, 2016 00:09

UrbicaMortis: Feb 16, 2012; Hmm, how shall I post today?

TACD posted:

The Guardian view on Mr Corbyn�s newfound enthusiasm for Europe: a mark of more mature leadership
It's in the Guardian, but it sounds... not bad for Corbyn?? Almost un-bad, or anti-bad... hm, I'm sure there's a word for this.

To be honest, I've noticed recently that the press coverage of Corbyn seems to have got better. I mean, the Mail and the like will keep up their assault regardless but they'd do the same for most labour leaders. But at least on places like the Guardian and BBC, corbyn as leader of the opposition seems to have basically become the status quo. I definitely see his responses to various things given more space and not always joined with some comment along the lines of 'what a loony leftie!!!'. It's hardly great but definitely improved.

II think it's partly because the budget, brewing tory civil war and panama papers have given him so much ammo to use.

# ? Apr 15, 2016 00:11

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Tesseraction posted:

She's on every week, which wouldn't be so bad if she didn't basically show that Labour's blairite darling is as verbally incompetent as Diane Abbott, and worse because she also acts like a teenager trying to pretend they're over 18 so they can get into the club but not quite pulling off the fully-convincing bit.

This has given me a wonderful mental image of Dennis Skinner as the bouncer saying "It looks like it says 1992 on your Labour membership card. Tell me, what was Clause IV back then?" followed by her incomprehensible stammering.

And also made me realize that people born in 1992 have been able to legally drink for over 5 years now. :corsair:

# ? Apr 15, 2016 00:16

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UrbicaMortis posted:

To be honest, I've noticed recently that the press coverage of Corbyn seems to have got better. I mean, the Mail and the like will keep up their assault regardless but they'd do the same for most labour leaders. But at least on places like the Guardian and BBC, corbyn as leader of the opposition seems to have basically become the status quo. I definitely see his responses to various things given more space and not always joined with some comment along the lines of 'what a loony leftie!!!'. It's hardly great but definitely improved.

II think it's partly because the budget, brewing tory civil war and panama papers have given him so much ammo to use.

There's a few more points to consider: the first is that the Blairite heir apparent, Dan Jarvis, had no-one salute when the Guardian ran his candidacy up the flagpole. The second is that both his personal and Labours numbers have improved dramatically in the last few months. The third is that he has been scoring victories, including anti-austerity language that Corbyn had been pushing appearing in IDS's resignation letter.

# ? Apr 15, 2016 00:24

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UrbicaMortis posted:

To be honest, I've noticed recently that the press coverage of Corbyn seems to have got better. I mean, the Mail and the like will keep up their assault regardless but they'd do the same for most labour leaders. But at least on places like the Guardian and BBC, corbyn as leader of the opposition seems to have basically become the status quo. I definitely see his responses to various things given more space and not always joined with some comment along the lines of 'what a loony leftie!!!'. It's hardly great but definitely improved.

II think it's partly because the budget, brewing tory civil war and panama papers have given him so much ammo to use.

I haven't heard "Unelectable" for ages. I think everyone's just got used to the idea that he can actually be elected.

# ? Apr 15, 2016 00:27

Paxman: Feb 7, 2010

UrbicaMortis posted:

To be honest, I've noticed recently that the press coverage of Corbyn seems to have got better. I mean, the Mail and the like will keep up their assault regardless but they'd do the same for most labour leaders. But at least on places like the Guardian and BBC, corbyn as leader of the opposition seems to have basically become the status quo. I definitely see his responses to various things given more space and not always joined with some comment along the lines of 'what a loony leftie!!!'. It's hardly great but definitely improved.

II think it's partly because the budget, brewing tory civil war and panama papers have given him so much ammo to use.

It's pretty obvious the party's not going to get rid of him too. His enemies in the party have grown quiet so there's not a lot of material to work with. In the good old days, Labour MPs were slagging him off on Twitter every half an hour.

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GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

Paxman posted:

It's pretty obvious the party's not going to get rid of him too. His enemies in the party have grown quiet so there's not a lot of material to work with. In the good old days, Labour MPs were slagging him off on Twitter every half an hour.

The real turning point was when Woodcock stuck his head above the parapet with his Mirror article and everyone basically ignored him.

# ? Apr 15, 2016 03:00

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