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Everblight posted:That cop is a supreme idiot. Look how many cameras there are in that shot! He got a cool $38,000 because of the stress of all those cameras being there so actually it turns out he's a secret genius. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/23/pepper-spray-cop-uc-davis-compensation
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Stereotype posted:In Wisconsin during the collective bargaining kerfuffle, conservatives talked about pensions as "entitlements" and Liberals talked about them as "deferred compensation." Yep, framing language is very important and often overlooked. See also: "political correctness", "right to work", "entitlements", and so on. Fight the use of language that can be twisted to mean the opposite of its intent.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:46
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Everblight posted:That cop is a supreme idiot. Look how many cameras there are in that shot! Didn't he get a bunch of money for back pay or something after this happened and he rightfully got poo poo on by a ton of people?
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Apr 14, 2016 22:51
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a shameful boehner posted:Yep, framing language is very important and often overlooked. Unfortunately this is all language.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:54
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I'm PRETTY sure he lost his sweet gig where he was making $100,000 a year so it's not that amazing unless he's back on the force somewhere making similar bank.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:56
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Nessus posted:Oh but it's the DEMOCRATS who hate the constitution. This is the thing about the whole "constitutional conservative" bullshit that drives me up a wall. All the self proclaimed constitutional conservaitves; Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Greg Abbott, et al., love the Constitution so much that they want to completely rewrite it in order to save it. Because nobody but them understands what the true meaning of it is.
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radical meme posted:This is the thing about the whole "constitutional conservative" bullshit that drives me up a wall. All the self proclaimed constitutional conservaitves; Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Greg Abbott, et al., love the Constitution so much that they want to completely rewrite it in order to save it. Because nobody but them understands what the true meaning of it is. David Cole did a fantastic writeup of that bullshit thinking in the run up to King v. Burnwell, link here.  
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Apr 14, 2016 23:03
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Unfortunately this is all language. How language is used matters.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:07
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Radish posted:I'm PRETTY sure he lost his sweet gig where he was making $100,000 a year so it's not that amazing unless he's back on the force somewhere making similar bank. He still got more money than the protesters he sprayed did!
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Apr 14, 2016 23:08
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Trabisnikof posted:He still got more money than the protesters he sprayed did! No, no. They, just like at their summer internships, were paid in the most valuable of currencies: Experience.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:12
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a shameful boehner posted:How language is used matters. Yeah this is something that seems to pass right over heads. Dems need to get control of the language that is always used. Unfortunately they seem to always punt because they enjoy playing defense.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:19
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Mr Hootington posted:Yeah this is something that seems to pass right over heads. Dems need to get control of the language that is always used. Unfortunately they seem to always punt because they enjoy playing defense. Partisans on both sides of the aisle tend to think this for some reason.
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Trabisnikof posted:He still got more money than the protesters he sprayed did! Yeah it's ridiculous but in America it's not unexpected so  .
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a shameful boehner posted:How language is used matters. Of course it does, I've made that same point about dogwhistle terms like "entitlements" here many times, but if you're looking for a language that can't be twisted by irony it's not going to be one spoken by human beings. Don't let your understanding of the importance of language trick you into thinking there's some incorruptible turn of phrase we could win hearts and minds with if only we just figured out what it was. Even if we erased the word "entitlement" from everyone's minds overnight, the people who oppose these kinds of things would turn "deferred compensation" into a dirty word just by saying it with a sneer, same as they did to "socialism."
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Mr Hootington posted:finally king done and i'm pretty sure he said we need to support grassley in his attempts at stopping the nomination because it is political and a republican needs to be elected because then we win. Best Hank Johnson moment of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA
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Radish posted:Yeah it's ridiculous but in America it's not unexpected so If it makes you feel better, his payout has more to do with California's strong worker's comp laws. Mr Hootington posted:Yeah this is something that seems to pass right over heads. Dems need to get control of the language that is always used. Unfortunately they seem to always punt because they enjoy playing defense. It seems that the true difficulty of capturing the narrative passed over your head. Also conservatives have the distinct advantage of not actually having to have their narrative line up with reality (since their goals are just as disconnected). The hyperpluralist nature of the left makes it worse too. How many climate activists are canvassing black churchs across the south? Because you bet loud-mouthed climate deniers are grabbing control of the narrative in the megachurches. And so on.
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Tom Cole (R-OK) took a bold pro-Sauron stance today. https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/720724762272600065
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Of course it does, I've made that same point about dogwhistle terms like "entitlements" here many times, but if you're looking for a language that can't be twisted by irony it's not going to be one spoken by human beings. Don't let your understanding of the importance of language trick you into thinking there's some incorruptible turn of phrase we could win hearts and minds with if only we just figured out what it was. I think we agree here. I'm not talking about erasing words or dogwhistles, but more critically evaluating and challenging how they are used. Whenever I hear the word "entitlements" used by news media, I now automatically find myself correcting the term to "earned benefits" in my head. I want more people to do the same.
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a shameful boehner posted:I think we agree here. I'm not talking about erasing words or dogwhistles, but more critically evaluating and challenging how they are used. Well... me too.  And on that note would people in this thread please, please stop saying "blacks." Black people. It's one extra word - anyone who makes the effort I promise I'll knock a few points off your reparations bill come the revolution.
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Trabisnikof posted:If it makes you feel better, his payout has more to do with California's strong worker's comp laws. It does, that's good at least.
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MariusLecter posted:All you need is 1 Chief Judge on the bench. The rest of the Judges roam the streets, dispensing justice, one judgement, one bullet at a time. I don't know about Supreme Court justices but the circuit judges are called such because they used to "ride circuit" which meant riding around the countryside on a horse trying cases. I'd be cool with bringing that back, it's literally what the founders intended!
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Trabisnikof posted:It seems that the true difficulty of capturing the narrative passed over your head. Also conservatives have the distinct advantage of not actually having to have their narrative line up with reality (since their goals are just as disconnected). I realize how hard it is to capture the narrative. Unfortunately it isn't just conservatives having a narrative advantage. If the narrative is against them, they seize it or spin it to be advantagous. It also helps they have a robust old media presence. Luckily the conservative old media is going off the rails/collapsing and the left has flourished on the new media and seems to be getting better at seizing language and narrative. Unfortunately the rest of the not conservative old media seems to be trying to gobble up the pieces breaking off of the conservative old media. I agree the hyperpluralist nature of the left does make it worse. a shameful boehner posted:I think we agree here. I'm not talking about erasing words or dogwhistles, but more critically evaluating and challenging how they are used. This is what needs to be done. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Well... me too. is it ok to say "blacks" if we also say "asians" and "latinos" and "whites" and "middle easterners"? Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Apr 14, 2016 |
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Mr Hootington posted:I realize how hard it is to capture the narrative. Unfortunately it isn't just conservatives having a narrative advantage. If the narrative is against them, they seize it or spin it to be advantagous. It also helps they have a robust old media presence. Luckily the conservative old media is going off the rails/collapsing and the left has flourished on the new media and seems to be getting better at seizing language and narrative. Unfortunately the rest of the not conservative old media seems to be trying to gobble up the pieces breaking off of the conservative old media. But the left does the exact same thing in trying to seize or spin things. There's no punting, just failure. It's not for lack of trying and I doubt it's "everyone in charge is dumb." You're right the media is a big part of the problem, as is the increasing echo chambered American political discourse. It makes it so that bad sound mixing ruins Dean's campaign, but getting caught hiding a loan from Goldman doesn't matter.
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Mr Hootington posted:is it ok to say "blacks" if we also say "asians" and "latinos" and "whites" and "middle easterners"? How about you take a break from talking about black people entirely until you've figured that one out for yourself, noted Black Culture Expert Mr Hootington.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:How about you take a break from talking about black people entirely until you've figured that one out for yourself, noted Black Culture Expert Mr Hootington. Don't erase his experience with black Iowans. (Both of them.)
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Whoever said TNG doesn't hold the test of time doesn't understand what the test of time means. My wife re-watches every star trek series on a continuous rotation, and I always get sucked in. But then again, I can't stand most modern shows. Also, TNG predicted sooooooooooo many cultural changes its ridiculous.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:Whoever said TNG doesn't hold the test of time doesn't understand what the test of time means. My wife re-watches every star trek series on a continuous rotation, and I always get sucked in. But then again, I can't stand most modern shows. I like the pacing & direction of TNG, it's like watching golf on TV, very soothing.
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Joementum posted:Tom Cole (R-OK) took a bold pro-Sauron stance today. Christ, that is one of the worst cases of advanced Palpatine syndrome I've seen since Frank Miller. Sword of Chomsky posted:Whoever said TNG doesn't hold the test of time doesn't understand what the test of time means. My wife re-watches every star trek series on a continuous rotation, and I always get sucked in. But then again, I can't stand most modern shows. TNG reflects the TV production levels of its time and, as one consequence, looks and sounds like crap these days. To say nothing of the bad writing and cringe-inducing dialogue, particularly in the early seasons. Seriously, Stewart's the only member of the whole cast who's got the acting chops to drag it from "entirely eye roll-worthy space hippie garbage," to just "mostly eye roll-worthy space hippie garbage."
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mdemone posted:I like the pacing & direction of TNG, it's like watching golf on TV, very soothing. Welp. I never expected to find the best description of TNG I've ever seen in the US politics thread.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:TNG reflects the TV production levels of its time and, as one consequence, looks and sounds like crap these days. To say nothing of the bad writing and cringe-inducing dialogue, particularly in the early seasons. Clearly someone hasn't seen the HD revamps that can be streamed on Amazon Prime and Netflix 
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Bip Roberts posted:Justified was the best tv ever though. "We dug coal together." "That's right" Solid gold
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Christ, that is one of the worst cases of advanced Palpatine syndrome I've seen since Frank Miller. The Blu-Ray release helps with the quality issues. The acting picks up in season 3. mdemone posted:I like the pacing & direction of TNG, it's like watching golf on TV, very soothing. I think this is the best comparison I have ever read. In other topics, is it going to be worth watching the new york debate? I can't help but feel that it will just be worthless pandering by Hilary and more stump speech from Bernie.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:In other topics, is it going to be worth watching the new york debate? I can't help but feel that it will just be worthless pandering by Hilary and more stump speech from Bernie. You will hear absolutely nothing new, and literally everyone has already decided for whom they intend to vote.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:In other topics, is it going to be worth watching the new york debate? I can't help but feel that it will just be worthless pandering by Hilary and more stump speech from Bernie. The debate was concocted because both sides thought they could score more points on the midweek cable news cycle over the fight about a debate neglecting that absolutely zero people especially both candidates wanted a debate.
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hobbesmaster posted:But gay kissing is ok if its two chicks as proven on DS9. And at the same time, Babylon 5 had a lesbian relationship that was only remarkable because of the personalities of the characters, and strongly implied that gay marriage was common in 2261 by having two male characters pose as married and again only be remarkable because of the personalities involved.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:Whoever said TNG doesn't hold the test of time doesn't understand what the test of time means. My wife re-watches every star trek series on a continuous rotation, and I always get sucked in. But then again, I can't stand most modern shows. Deep Space Nine had an episode about how the Federation was undermining the freedom and privacy of it's own citizens in an attempt to thwart terrorists threats and was using those overblown threats in an attempt to cement the militaries influence on the government, several years before 9/11
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Stultus Maximus posted:And at the same time, Babylon 5 had a lesbian relationship that was only remarkable because of the personalities of the characters, and strongly implied that gay marriage was common in 2261 by having two male characters pose as married and again only be remarkable because of the personalities involved. B5 didn't need to sell syndication to network TV stations.
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socialsecurity posted:Deep Space Nine had an episode about how the Federation was undermining the freedom and privacy of it's own citizens in an attempt to thwart terrorists threats and was using those overblown threats in an attempt to cement the militaries influence on the government, several years before 9/11 Gene Roddenberry knew
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FactsAreUseless posted:The only people I've seen hate TV more than this is the TV forum. When you stare long into the Abyss, the Abyss stares back into you.
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