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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You can argue that they didn't do Tony or Steve's arcs better, but saying there is none is definitely silly. It's pretty clear the intent is to have each of them start at a different end of the spectrum and each of their arcs results in them crossing each other to ultimately switch sides. It's not really polar like that. Steve Rogers is a hardcore socialist all through First Avenger, then inexplicably resigns himself to just upholding the liberal status quo when he's unfrozen (as shown in Avengers and most of Winter Soldier). Winter Soldier then shows his transition into becoming rather hardcore libertarian - but that is dialed back in Avengers 2, where the situation gets very vague and confused. He's working for a liberal humanitarian corporate peacekeeping force, but then he's like "this is what SHIELD was meant to be!" with the (stolen?) aircraft carrier? Is he working for the government again? Tony Stark, on the other hand, has been caught in a holding pattern since the very first film, just constantly vascillating between being a liberal and being libertarian, based on how bad he feels on a given day. This plot in Civil War is actually no different than his plan with Ultron. He's just using his influence over existing governments to police the world instead of using a robot army.
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Vintersorg posted:Winter Soldier gets elbowed in the loving head multiple times but he's fine? Come on. I thought the other way. Guy went toe to toe with Cap in the last movie, there's no reason any of these dorks should be even slowing him down except maybe Panther.
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Terrible Horse posted:I thought the other way. Guy went toe to toe with Cap in the last movie, there's no reason any of these dorks should be even slowing him down except maybe Panther. That's my take on it too, but this isn't American Ultra. It would help to not have the guy dressed like Chad Kroger!
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Vintersorg posted:That is a garbage fight scene. Nothing looks like it has any impact - just dancing around. Winter Soldier gets elbowed in the loving head multiple times but he's fine? Come on. Dare Devil is a show that gets this correct. Terrible Horse posted:I thought the other way. Guy went toe to toe with Cap in the last movie, there's no reason any of these dorks should be even slowing him down except maybe Panther. Yeah, I had thought that the Winter Soldier had the same abilities as Captain America. Didn't Hydra use the same injection that made Captain America into a superhuman soldier?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Chivalry ain't dead. He sets the pretty lady down on the table as if they're about to have tipsy second date sex, it's bad enough they're all dressed like it's a Step Up movie set in American Outfitters. Haha, goddamn. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Rousey's whole gimmick is that she's a redneck. She should not be fighting anyone in club attire unless she's also not wearing shoes. I would be down for this.
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Alright, I was being somewhat flip but I am seriously distracted. Why is everyone in that scene dressed that way?
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There's no way Civil War will be as bad as BvS right?
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:There's no way Civil War will be as bad as BvS right? Correct, for a given definition of bad.
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:There's no way Civil War will be as bad as BvS right? Nah, people's outfits were impeccable in BvS.
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:There's no way Civil War will be as bad as BvS right? I suspect it will be not quite as good as Winter Soldier.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Nah, people's outfits were impeccable in BvS. You jest, but that's actually loving on point.
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:There's no way Civil War will be as bad as BvS right? Batman will kill fewer people in Civil War, so yes.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Nah, people's outfits were impeccable in BvS. Justice for Mercy Graves
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Sir Kodiak posted:Nah, people's outfits were impeccable in BvS. It was pretty cool of them to give Wonder Woman the super power of having a different gorgeous dress for each scene.
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Yoshifan823 posted:It was pretty cool of them to give Wonder Woman the super power of having a different gorgeous dress for each scene. That's not a super power. That's just not wearing the same clothes on different days. Which I hope to all Hell is something that anyone can do, and not just a super hero.
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Skwirl posted:You jest, but that's actually loving on point. It's a very well cast, very well dressed movie.
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Burkion posted:That's not a super power. Do you wear gorgeous formalwear every day, even to the ATM? If you do, I want your life.
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Burkion posted:That's not a super power. I thought a requirement for being a superhero was wearing the same outfit 24/7. Those things gotta stink like rear end.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Do you wear gorgeous formalwear every day, even to the ATM? If you do, I want your life. You don't? site posted:I thought a requirement for being a superhero was wearing the same outfit 24/7. Nah that's their actual super hero outfits. And if movies have proved anything to me, it's that no matter what, the super hero outfit will change between movies inexplicably, even if there is literally no way for it to.
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:There's no way Civil War will be as bad as BvS right? No, there are dozens of ways.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No, there are dozens of ways. I find it hard to imagine Civil War being put together as clumsily as BvS.
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:I find it hard to imagine Civil War being put together as clumsily as BvS. Based on that fight scene, the editing hasn't improved.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Alright, I was being somewhat flip but I am seriously distracted. Why is everyone in that scene dressed that way? The whole fight started because they got Bucky's latte wrong.
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:There's no way Civil War will be as bad as BvS right? More people will like it therefore it will be bad because it will be mainstream and popular
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The next R-rated superhero movie is a classic Batman story starring Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill. http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/14/batman-killing-joke-animated-rated-r
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Gina Carano is good for fight choreography because she knows how to throw a good looking punch, Rousey not so much. Which is weird, because Rousey is the way better fighter in real life. Josh Lyman posted:Rhonda Rousey is terrible and I hope we never see her in mainstream movies again. I love that the mispelling of her name is consistently wrong across multiple forums and websites. I said come in! posted:Dare Devil is a show that gets this correct. Yes and no. On the one hand, the hits really do feel like hits. On the other, the choregraphy often doesn't line up with the fight scene's story. That amazing, one take fight scene is cool, but if the idea is he's getting increasingly exhausted, why the gently caress is he pulling spin kicks out late in the fight scene? He starts the scene a brawler and ends up a kung fu fighter. Goffer posted:More people will like it therefore it will be bad because it will be mainstream and popular Alternately, it will try for nothing ambitious, fail none of its objectives, clear the low bar it sets for itself, and thus be applauded for having few failings.
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So is T'Challa wearing vibranium lined shoes or something in that clip? When he does his kick and his parkour jump there's a metallic mechanical sound. Though his first kick sounds oddly like the sound of kicking one of those red dodge balls inside a gym.Vintersorg posted:That is a garbage fight scene. Nothing looks like it has any impact - just dancing around. Winter Soldier gets elbowed in the loving head multiple times but he's fine? Come on. He's a semi-super soldier. Experimented on by both Hydra double Nazi's in WWII and Soviets/Hydra double Capitalists during the Cold War. While Steve Rogers is the only person to get the full and perfected Super Soldier serum, shitloads of people got knock offs and imperfect versions. Bucky is one of those guys. Black Widow throwing 'bows at his head isn't much of a worry without her electro-shock enhancements.
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Snowman_McK posted:Which is weird, because Rousey is the way better fighter in real life.
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The MSJ posted:The next R-rated superhero movie is a classic Batman story starring Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill. That animation style is terrible and doesn't fit the source material. Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill will probably be great as usual though.
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Goffer posted:More people will like it therefore it will be bad because it will be mainstream and popular
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Josh Lyman posted:Sure, but Rousey is a grappler and that doesn't make for visually interesting fights. The finale of "Flash Point" would like a word with you. Seriously, just watch the finale of Flash Point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv6UKYEh76M
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Snowman_McK posted:Seriously, just watch the finale of Flash Point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv6UKYEh76M There are powerbombs in this, so it passes all the critical tests we've been discussing for the last few pages
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I said come in! posted:Dare Devil is a show that gets this correct. Daredevil's action choreographer makes the fights impressive and impactful, and in doing so completely undermines one of the central conflicts facing Matt Murdock in season 2 -- that he doesn't kill people. No one who delivers the vicious headshots that Daredevil delivers in that show really has a strong moral argument against Punisher. At best they have a relative one: they kill fewer people, more slowly. Meanwhile the CW fight stuff like in Flash and Arrow is a lot cartoonier and sells "this is non-lethal" a whole lot better.
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Snowman_McK posted:The finale of "Flash Point" would like a word with you. I hate when they have a dude use an arm bar in a fight scene. It's so loving stupid. If you were in a fight for your life there's a really easy solution to breaking that. https://youtu.be/jqRPaucl8r4?t=3m6s
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Josh Lyman posted:Sure, but Rousey is a grappler and that doesn't make for visually interesting fights. I want the finale battle of Civil War to be Captain America wrestle humping Stark into submission.
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Rhyno posted:I hate when they have a dude use an arm bar in a fight scene. It's so loving stupid. If you were in a fight for your life there's a really easy solution to breaking that. Are you trolling, joking or just really dumb?
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Are you trolling, joking or just really dumb? "Bite the motherfucker" is not exactly an advanced move that requires lots of planning.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Are you trolling, joking or just really dumb? I'm joking dude. Calm thy tits.
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Rhyno posted:I'm joking dude. Calm thy tits. You were joking, but I love telling this story. We had a seminar with a dude called Paul Cale, Australian Commando and cage fighter. He's a living Jason Statham movie. He told a story about a guy biting him when he was applying a rear naked joke. His instinct was to pull tighter. He dislocated the guy's jaw. Turns out the structures that hold the jaw together are a lot weaker than those of the arm. Same principle applies to legs, according to him. I didn't ask if he'd tested it.
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:Maybe someday Superhero movies will progress to a point where the creators realize that implying infertile women are monsters or having villains giving jars of urine to other characters are generally bad ideas. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Black Widow was talking about being infertile when she called herself a monster.
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