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Sir Kodiak posted:Vader isn't trapped within metal, it's plainly plastic. Like, come the gently caress on.
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hhhat posted:Because the special editions are stupid beyond repair Yes. Does any sane person think awkwardly inserting wall-eyed Hayden Christensen into Return of the Jedi improved the film? Was anybody complaining about the Sebastian Shaw ghost before? No. It was fine. Not only was it a bad idea it was executed poorly. Anakin is looking at Luke like he's trying to seduce him.
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Apr 15, 2016 02:25
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How come when the mask came off he talked with a different accent?
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Apr 15, 2016 02:25
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wyoming posted:Like, come the gently caress on. I'm aware it's a minor point, but I'm curious whether he thought that was irrelevant (but included it anyways), or was correct to include it (because he thought it relevant) and wants to address the reality that he's wrong.
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Apr 15, 2016 02:26
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It could've been metal if Sheev's surgeons weren't so goddamn cheap!
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Apr 15, 2016 02:28
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Sir Kodiak posted:bot where Han is returned by Leia's love, Vader is returned through the emperor's evil. And seriously, the idea of Anakin's soul being a reflection of the last time he was at peace isn't that crazy. Yoda and Ben both had regrets, but probably had some measure of peace about who they were at the time of their deaths. Thus, their appearances don't change. Anakin did not, save for you know, maybe the last few minutes of his life. So, like Cnut said, logically he could either look like Hayden or like he did in his last few minutes of life. Truthfully, there was no point in his life where he looked like an unscathed Sebastian Shaw. Slugworth fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 02:32
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Yaws posted:Not only was it a bad idea it was executed poorly. Anakin is looking at Luke like he's trying to seduce him. Well maybe his dick was burned off in the lava so he hasn't had sex since he conceived the twins and besides luke probably reminds him of his ex girlfriend and anyway that family is kinda into incest
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Apr 15, 2016 02:33
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cargohills posted:um actually it is in fact pretty bad Evil c3po is great if you read his lines in the Creepio voice from those Auralnauts videos.
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Apr 15, 2016 02:33
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Yaws posted:Was anybody complaining about the Sebastian Shaw ghost before? Yes. Clearly it should've been Vader in white armor. Sir Kodiak posted:I'm aware it's a minor point, but I'm curious whether he thought that was irrelevant (but included it anyways), or was correct to include it (because he thought it relevant) and wants to address the reality that he's wrong. Uh, I'm sure you'll find it's plastsiteel. And furthermore  Like, I'm with you that it's a skull, but it's placed on him as a death mask. Sheev isn't so much bringing him back to life, as his creating an avatar of death. A great quote comparing Vader to a sports team mascot comes to mind. The point is Anakin dies, and is used as Vader. Anakin doesn't come back to life until Luke reaches out to him.
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Apr 15, 2016 02:38
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Slugworth posted:Ehhh, Luke's love has no part in Vader's return? How is that? Luke's love plays a part in Vader's redemption, but his return – that I'm talking about – occurs at the end of Revenge of the Sith. The argument you're presenting assumes the Force Ghosts are some sort of objective thing that exists in the world rather than a metaphor for the continuation anyone can experience through being remembered. That's why there's the parallel between Yoda bodily disappearing down a hatch, but leaving his cloak behind, and Obi-Wan disappearing, but leaving his cloak behind. It doesn't really matter whether you die or not, because ghosts aren't real. If we were to treat Force Ghosts as an objective phenomenon in the simulated universe that is Star Wars, then, yes, Anakin should have been uploaded into the ether as either Hayden Christensen or hosed-up robot Vader. But if what we're seeing is a representation of Luke's mind, then it makes sense we see how he might imagine his father finding peace – and that isn't going to be either a man his own age, or the mutilated body Vader died with. wyoming posted:Uh, I'm sure you'll find it's plastsiteel. And furthermore I'm not the one who introduced what the material was. That was Cnut. If it's completely irrelevant, blame him. Anyways, this completely misses the gradualness of Vader's conversion. There's no hard point where he's reborn. Instead he's slowly put in a bind where he can't resolve his dedicated to both his son and the Emperor, and he makes his choice.
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Apr 15, 2016 02:44
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Sir Kodiak posted:Luke's love plays a part in Vader's redemption, but his return – that I'm talking about – occurs at the end of Revenge of the Sith. As to the rest, ghosts not really existing is an interesting idea, but I don't think anything textually supports it, so I'm gonna keep on assuming they are real. They deliver information Luke has no way of knowing, so they definitely aren't purely a figment of his imagination, at which point, I'm not sure the simplest explanation is that their appearance would be dictated by Luke.
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Apr 15, 2016 03:02
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Slugworth posted:I'm afraid I've lost the thread here. Cnut said both Han and Anakin are saved from their imprisonment by love. You seemed to object to that, bringing up the emperor's evil, which yeah, is obviously what imprisons him, but not what frees him. I honestly may be not understanding your original point here, but I think maybe you just misunderstood Cnut's? Anakin never died, he was just imprisoned in Vader by Palpatine. Luke then saves him, as Leia saves Han from the carbonite. What information do they deliver? I'm honestly forgetting. My argument is that Anakin dies on Revenge of the Sith fire planet, and is then reborn as Darth Vader. So, yeah, I understand that Cnut doesn't see it that way: I disagree with him. And that's the abrupt change that's comparable to Han Solo's freezing and thawing. Vader's redemption by Luke is too gradual to fit with that.
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Apr 15, 2016 03:08
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Sir Kodiak posted:What information do they deliver? I'm honestly forgetting. Duration of time spent being saved strikes me as an odd metric to compare. Like, thematically they are pretty similar ideas. Two characters are saved from imprisonment by loved ones in the same film. There is no similarity though, because one took longer than the other. You know?
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Apr 15, 2016 03:15
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Slugworth posted:The location of Yoda, the fact that Luke has a sister......... maybe something else? I dunno, it's been awhile. The way the conversation plays out is that Luke knows that Leia is his sister before Obi-Wan tells him. Obi-Wan is the voice that Luke periodically puts on his own intuition. It's not the duration of time, it's that it's incremental. Vader goes through a progression from wanting to rule the galaxy with his son, overthrowing the Emperor – because he can't bring himself to kill him – to killing the Emperor when Luke rejects him. A gradually evolving viewpoint simply doesn't fit with being reborn the way that Han emerges from the carbonite.
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Apr 15, 2016 03:22
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Well Manicured Man posted:It'd be kinda neat to see a pre-prequel trilogy chronicling how the Jedi could go from wandering do-gooders to servants of a galaxy-spanning government. Follow the viewpoints of a Jedi Master and their young apprentice as the Jedi slowly metamorphose into a strict "order" under the thumb of the Republic because the galactic Senate is like "God dammit, we can't have these warrior monks just running around doing whatever they please! What of their idea of "justice" is different from ours?" Oh man, this would be my poo poo so much. Get Tsui Hark on it.
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Apr 15, 2016 03:27
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Sounds better than the plots of all seven Star Wars films combined.
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Apr 15, 2016 03:34
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i think the ghost being hayden christensen is better because thats what people know he looks like so it makes sense that they would show him like that to show hes anakin again
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TWIST FIST posted:i think the ghost being hayden christensen is better because thats what people know he looks like so it makes sense that they would show him like that to show hes anakin again In my opinion, they should locate the Book of the Dead in order to resurrect Sebastian Shaw, the one true Anakin Skywalker.
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Apr 15, 2016 03:47
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The actual problem is that Return Of The Jedi is a bad film with a bad ending. That entire scene shouldn't exist.
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Proposition Joe posted:In my opinion, they should locate the Book of the Dead in order to resurrect Sebastian Shaw, the one true Anakin Skywalker. thats hosed up
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Apr 15, 2016 03:58
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Yeah, the Force Ghost thing is lame
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rear end Catchcum posted:But it's Ok to be on Nazi payroll? he used almost all his nazi money to build low-cost housing in one of california's most affluent neighborhoods, he's one of the less lovely capitalists on planet earth despite selling his prized ip to nazis
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The actual problem is that Return Of The Jedi is a bad film with a bad ending. That entire scene shouldn't exist. Nah; RotJ is a great film.
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Well Manicured Man posted:It'd be kinda neat to see a pre-prequel trilogy chronicling how the Jedi could go from wandering do-gooders to servants of a galaxy-spanning government. Follow the viewpoints of a Jedi Master and their young apprentice as the Jedi slowly metamorphose into a strict "order" under the thumb of the Republic because the galactic Senate is like "God dammit, we can't have these warrior monks just running around doing whatever they please! What of their idea of "justice" is different from ours?" For context, the old EU explanation (for what it's worth now, i.e. nothing unless recycled by Disney) was that the Jedi Order's activist faction (feudalistic, hereditary, independent) was basically demolished defeating the Sith Brotherhood, leaving more formalist Jedi (centralized, monastic, institutionalized) to ally with a resurgent senatorial Republic, to avoid the gone awry Jedi Army from returning. I'm not sure the studio could be convinced of making such a political movie; might it be a book?
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Apr 15, 2016 06:27
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Homework Explainer posted:he used almost all his nazi money to build low-cost housing in one of california's most affluent neighborhoods, he's one of the less lovely capitalists on planet earth despite selling his prized ip to nazis I think it's lovely to take blood money and then bad mouth the people writing your check.
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jivjov posted:Nah; RotJ is a great film. Nah I agree, it's worse than any of the prequels and only barely better than TFA. Once everyone gets off Tattooine is becomes a huge huge slog, with the throne room sequences being the only remotely interesting thing about the whole movie It's the only star war where I fast-forward through portions when I do a rewatch
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rear end Catchcum posted:I think it's lovely to take blood money and then bad mouth the people writing your check. nah
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rear end Catchcum posted:I think it's lovely to take blood money and then bad mouth the people writing your check. That's the American way, friend. It's called selling out.
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Attack of the Clones will always be the worst Star Wars film. Huge swathes of that movie are just a chore to sit through. Return of the Jedi has lots of cool stuff in it. Everything on Tattooine, parts of the Endor Battle, The Ewoks worshiping Threepio as a god, the Throne Room stuff. The problem is Marquand isn't the director Lucas and Kershner are/were. Still, It's better than any of the prequels.
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Whack posted:Attack of the Clones will always be the worst Star Wars film. Huge swathes of that movie are just a chore to sit through. Return of the Jedi has lots of cool stuff in it. Everything on Tattooine, parts of the Endor Battle, The Ewoks worshiping Threepio as a god, the Throne Room stuff. The problem is Marquand isn't the director Lucas and Kershner are/were. Still, It's better than any of the prequels. This is correct.
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Whack posted:Attack of the Clones will always be the worst Star Wars film. Huge swathes of that movie are just a chore to sit through. Return of the Jedi has lots of cool stuff in it. Everything on Tattooine, parts of the Endor Battle, The Ewoks worshiping Threepio as a god, the Throne Room stuff. The problem is Marquand isn't the director Lucas and Kershner are/were. Still, It's better than any of the prequels. This is correct. Return of the Jedi is a very good movie. Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars film, but the Force Awakens comes in a very close second for me, if not outright ties with it.
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I said come in! posted:This is correct. Return of the Jedi is a very good movie. Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars film, but the Force Awakens comes in a very close second for me, if not outright ties with it. NO obviously not only are the prequels better but also some of the best movies of all time Dont argue with me I have all the comics
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hhhat posted:NO obviously not only are the prequels better but also some of the best movies of all time My apologies! Here are some screen caps from the prequels with MS Paint lines drawn on them to prove your point.
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Apr 15, 2016 14:57
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Whack posted:Attack of the Clones will always be the worst Star Wars film. Huge swathes of that movie are just a chore to sit through. Return of the Jedi has lots of cool stuff in it. Everything on Tattooine, parts of the Endor Battle, The Ewoks worshiping Threepio as a god, the Throne Room stuff. The problem is Marquand isn't the director Lucas and Kershner are/were. Still, It's better than any of the prequels. Tatooine takes way too long to get going, and has the net result of "save Han Solo, who then does nothing for the rest of the movie but think Leia's loving her brother".
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So is this the thread for talking about Star Wars, or the thread for talking about your feelings about Star Wars?
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Sir Kodiak posted:The way the conversation plays out is that Luke knows that Leia is his sister before Obi-Wan tells him. Obi-Wan is the voice that Luke periodically puts on his own intuition. But still, Luke would have no way of knowing about Dagobah without Ghost Kenobi, so Force Ghosts, dumb or not, are real in Star Wars.
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I said come in! posted:My apologies! Here are some screen caps from the prequels with MS Paint lines drawn on them to prove your point. I pardon you EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:So is this the thread for talking about Star Wars, or the thread for talking about your feelings about Star Wars? I'd rather talk about how I feel about talking about how I feel about Star Wars feels good man
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The Force Awakens is a very competently made film and I enjoyed it but I have trouble judging it against the other Star Wars films. It's less of a character study and more of a balls to the wall action sci fi movie which is wholly different from the other films in the series. The first six films told a self contained story with a clear beginning and end. I never wondered what happened after Return of the Jedi because it was clear that's where the story ended. The Force Awakens feels tacked on. Like "oh and then this happened!". As it turns out, what did happen was just a repeat of the OT (so far). But, if you're able to ignore all that, it probably has some of the best fight sequences in the series and the rapport between the characters is top notch stuff. Kylo Ren owns. EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:So is this the thread for talking about Star Wars, or the thread for talking about your feelings about Star Wars? They're one and the same friend.
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EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:So is this the thread for talking about Star Wars, or the thread for talking about your feelings about Star Wars? It's both but we are all incredibly weird about it because we don't know anything about human emotion beyond what we have read about in a book or seen in movies.
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