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!Klams
Dec 25, 2005

Squid Squad
I haven't played this game in a while, because I was trying to rank up, but when I got to super bronze I played against exclusively silver players until I was back to rookie. I don't mind losing, it's almost better because there's more to learn, it's just so many consistently unbalanced fights isn't really very fun? Like, yes, I get that silver players are better than me. Ok. Can I play someone I might beat?

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Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Playing against Mika is so frustrating. I could be holding her out with my buttons for almost the whole round but then I end up missing one jump-in, or getting hit by the irish whip or just a random EX.rear end and now I'm in the corner, completely hosed bar a miracle read.

EDIT: I suppose the game would be too dissimilar to SF4 if it had no characters that don't play street fighter. *grumble grumble*

Jack Trades fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Apr 15, 2016

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen


Why would they, capcom literally have them nothing to do like morons

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I wanna know how "doesn't play street fighter" came to mean pulls filthy poo poo cut ST is grimy as gently caress and so is 3s

burger time
Apr 17, 2005

Mikas mixup is soooo cheap man, she has command grabs AND normals omfg. How are you supposed to deal with that! :rubshands:

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Jack Trades posted:

Playing against Mika is so frustrating.
I was playing Mika at a friend's BBQ. Game was pretty close but I VSkilled a Nadesico drop right onto him as he tried to close in to clutch the match.

Dude dropped his controller and walked away.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

burger time posted:

Mikas mixup is soooo cheap man, she has command grabs AND normals omfg. How are you supposed to deal with that! :rubshands:

Calling Mika cheap does seem unfair, most of her stuff is a huge gamble for her. I think the hate towards her is that no matter how good you are it always feels inevitable that you at some point will get put in the corner and have to play the guessing game, its just very frustrating. Even when I win against her I feel drained after.

This is probably my atonement for maining Viper in 4.

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?
I think Nash and Bison are way more annoying than Mika. The former, you're going to get dash-grabbed. I'm not sure if it's possible to react to the Nash dash. The latter because you're blocking for 5-10 seconds when they get in.

Mattavist
May 24, 2003

!Klams posted:

I haven't played this game in a while, because I was trying to rank up, but when I got to super bronze I played against exclusively silver players until I was back to rookie. I don't mind losing, it's almost better because there's more to learn, it's just so many consistently unbalanced fights isn't really very fun? Like, yes, I get that silver players are better than me. Ok. Can I play someone I might beat?

I think matchmaking is done by rank which is calculated daily, and not by LP which changes every match. I went from 900LP to 150 last weekend (:negative:) and faced people 700-1500 LP the entire time. The next day I was fighting against 50LP Kens all the way up to 600 LP.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
I actually like the Laura vs. Mika matchup.

If only because suddenly Mika has to play the guessing game and it's glorious to see Mika players implode when faced with this.

My favourite thing in ranked right now is to see the evident shock on players who have figured out to jump after Laura goes for Jab Elbow only to realise that if I go for a normal grab, I can react DP them.

ellbent
May 2, 2007

I NEVER HAD SOUL
Going back to the DOTA v. Street Fighter, when it comes to fighting games and MOBAs there's just a different level of investment and competitive vibe altogether.

In a MOBA, teams in anything past a qualifying round play in a soundproof booth with screens flashing the hero they're playing at the center of a sold-out soccer stadium with a jumbotron broadcasting the game, and when you win they give you a solid metal trophy heavier than the Stanley Cup and a giant novelty check for two million dollars.

In a fighting game, you can attain world champion status sitting in a folding chair close enough to the other guy to smell his B.O.

piratepilates
Mar 28, 2004

So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.



ellbent posted:

Going back to the DOTA v. Street Fighter, when it comes to fighting games and MOBAs there's just a different level of investment and competitive vibe altogether.

In a MOBA, teams in anything past a qualifying round play in a soundproof booth with screens flashing the hero they're playing at the center of a sold-out soccer stadium with a jumbotron broadcasting the game, and when you win they give you a solid metal trophy heavier than the Stanley Cup and a giant novelty check for two million dollars.

In a fighting game, you can attain world champion status sitting in a folding chair close enough to the other guy to smell his B.O.

Gotta get some of those head to head arcade cabinets like SBO used to do and stuff a console or PC in there. Get some theatrics going.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
MOBAS are made by people that throw money at them, and fighting games are apparently made by people that don't even particularly like fighting games.

Colorspray
Aug 30, 2007

Jack Trades posted:

Playing against Mika is so frustrating.

It is - I played some locals last night and my bff was getting so pissed at the matchup, we started looking at the options Mika has and she's not so great outside of her pressure.


If its not a light normal, everything but a charged HK/jumpin is negative on block

Charge HK gets blown up by neutral jumps. It also has only 1 active frame - stick something out with a lot of active frames to stuff it on reaction to the startup

Use your V-Reversals. If you die with full V-trigger gauge you need to learn to V-reversal more. V-reversal is a good option if you end up blocking a charged HK

Do reversals* off her lp and lk blockstun - if you don't mika will just go braindead and always throw poo poo out - at least teach your opponent you have those options so they hesitate and your odds of escaping get higher

*don't overdo it, it depends on how smart your opponent is. Try to stay calm and watch how your opponent adapts when you're being pressured

Colorspray fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Apr 15, 2016

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
I've gotten so many 3-4 bars when I specifically said to have 5 bars only. What the gently caress.

Dracula Factory
Sep 7, 2007


Yeah unless somebody makes The Perfect Fighting game, 1v1 games are always going to be less popular because of the increased pressure on the player, and most gamers are babies and can't handle that.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

A.o.D. posted:

I don't think that's true. I've hit people with the claw swipe as counterhit after they blocked the st. HP.


Well.. no. You can use it to test and see if your opponent has been conditioned to do nothing on block. If they have, then it's time to go for the command throw.

If that happened, you were way slow and let the move play out then did back claw, its a true block string there is no way anything can get through, if the first hit is blocked the only way second one hits is if they weren't blocking low for the lp version. There is no mixup it doesn't work, you can always mash buttons and get something if they stance switch, test it yourself in training mode if you don't believe me.


Jack Trades posted:

Playing against Mika is so frustrating. I could be holding her out with my buttons for almost the whole round but then I end up missing one jump-in, or getting hit by the irish whip or just a random EX.rear end and now I'm in the corner, completely hosed bar a miracle read.

EDIT: I suppose the game would be too dissimilar to SF4 if it had no characters that don't play street fighter. *grumble grumble*

If you are still on vega, v-skill attack completely blows through dropkick on reaction so that is something to have at least.

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009

Saint Freak posted:

MOBAS are made by people that throw money at them, and fighting games are apparently made by people that don't even particularly like fighting games.

thank god

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Tae posted:

I've gotten so many 3-4 bars when I specifically said to have 5 bars only. What the gently caress.

This is caused by people who have bad connections rather than just being far away from you. So when the server pings them they return a low number, say 50. The server slaps a 5 bar rating on them and passes their connection to you, what the server doesn't know is they are running wireless/downloadingPorn or whatever and their ping is fluctuating between 50-200 constantly, it just happened to be 50 when they tested it.

You can check this yourself, open up windows cmd prompt and just run ping google.co.uk (or whatever your local domain is) and see your numbers. If you get a very small fluctuation you're golden, if its a large one then it might in fact be you causing the problems.

Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Apr 15, 2016

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?

Mega Comrade posted:

This is caused by people who have bad connections rather than just being far away from you. So when the server pings them they return a low number, say 50. The server slaps a 5 bar rating on them and passes their connection to you, what the server doesn't know is they are running wireless/downloadingPorn or whatever and their ping is fluctuating between 50-200 constantly, it just happened to be 50 when they tested it.

You can check this yourself, open up windows cmd prompt and just run ping google.co.uk (or whatever your local domain is) and see your numbers. If you get a very small fluctuation you're golden, if its a large one then it might in fact be you causing the problems.

I have a batch file

quote:


@echo "Pinging to Google"
@echo off
cd \
ping https://www.google.co.uk /t


pinned to my start menu and run it if something's up. It's almost never on my end because no-one else uses my internet and ISP problems are very rare.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

I have a batch file


pinned to my start menu and run it if something's up. It's almost never on my end because no-one else uses my internet and ISP problems are very rare.

Yeah I do a similar thing. Before I switched to powerLine adapters for my internet I kept getting spikes in wireless, finally tracked it down the microwave in the house being turned on. Wiresless is garbage and you shouldn’t use it.

my girlfriend is Legos
Apr 24, 2013

ellbent posted:

In a fighting game, you can attain world champion status sitting in a folding chair close enough to the other guy to smell his B.O.

This but with Smash.................................. online

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene

Dracula Factory posted:

Yeah unless somebody makes The Perfect Fighting game, 1v1 games are always going to be less popular because of the increased pressure on the player, and most gamers are babies and can't handle that.

Honestly, even on top of stuff being higher pressure because of 1v1, fighting games feel high stress to me because there's no downtime. If I play one hour of matches straight or two if I'm really pushing it, I feel pretty done. There's no breathing room, you always have to be on your a-game. Very little time to pause and think, you're basically making split second decisions for the whole time.

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business

!Klams posted:

I haven't played this game in a while, because I was trying to rank up, but when I got to super bronze I played against exclusively silver players until I was back to rookie. I don't mind losing, it's almost better because there's more to learn, it's just so many consistently unbalanced fights isn't really very fun? Like, yes, I get that silver players are better than me. Ok. Can I play someone I might beat?

If you think about it, Silver players are kind of just Bronzes that got a couple of lucky win streaks. I've played Rookies that play better than Golds often enough to say rank means nothing. More than half of Silvers are indistinguishable from Bronzes and lose to the same stuff. Could be psychological, just try not to look at their rank at all and if you do, don't get intimidated.

Dr. Video Games 0112 fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Apr 15, 2016

Dracula Factory
Sep 7, 2007


attackmole posted:

Honestly, even on top of stuff being higher pressure because of 1v1, fighting games feel high stress to me because there's no downtime. If I play one hour of matches straight or two if I'm really pushing it, I feel pretty done. There's no breathing room, you always have to be on your a-game. Very little time to pause and think, you're basically making split second decisions for the whole time.

I totally agree, I can only play fighting games for like 3 hours at a time because of how intense each match is.

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

attackmole posted:

Honestly, even on top of stuff being higher pressure because of 1v1, fighting games feel high stress to me because there's no downtime. If I play one hour of matches straight or two if I'm really pushing it, I feel pretty done. There's no breathing room, you always have to be on your a-game. Very little time to pause and think, you're basically making split second decisions for the whole time.

play in three player lobbies

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

I think Nash and Bison are way more annoying than Mika. The former, you're going to get dash-grabbed. I'm not sure if it's possible to react to the Nash dash. The latter because you're blocking for 5-10 seconds when they get in.

Nash's forward dash is totally average. It's even 1 frame slower than Ryu's.

Evil Canadian posted:

If you are still on vega, v-skill attack completely blows through dropkick on reaction so that is something to have at least.

I didn't even think about that. Gotta give that a shot.

Colorspray posted:

It is - I played some locals last night and my bff was getting so pissed at the matchup, we started looking at the options Mika has and she's not so great outside of her pressure.


If its not a light normal, everything but a charged HK/jumpin is negative on block

Charge HK gets blown up by neutral jumps. It also has only 1 active frame - stick something out with a lot of active frames to stuff it on reaction to the startup

Use your V-Reversals. If you die with full V-trigger gauge you need to learn to V-reversal more. V-reversal is a good option if you end up blocking a charged HK

Do reversals* off her lp and lk blockstun - if you don't mika will just go braindead and always throw poo poo out - at least teach your opponent you have those options so they hesitate and your odds of escaping get higher

*don't overdo it, it depends on how smart your opponent is. Try to stay calm and watch how your opponent adapts when you're being pressured

I'm in a lovely position of not being able to break from my character loyalty and it so happen that Vega doesn't have any reversals and his VR is poo poo against Mika.

Gotta explore other options though.

Jack Trades fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Apr 16, 2016

AntifaSupersoldier
Jul 30, 2003

Reality is what you can get away with
Hell Gem
In regards to connection speeds the infrastructure in the U.S. is really lovely compared to worldwide networks:



Until they invest more in the infrastructure I doubt any amount of netcode can make up for a lovely upload rate :negative:

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)

ellbent posted:

In a MOBA, teams in anything past a qualifying round play in a soundproof booth with screens flashing the hero they're playing at the center of a sold-out soccer stadium with a jumbotron broadcasting the game,

Thats because crowd's are basically a form of Map Hack. They're pretty much a tell to when something is actually going to happen.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Jack Trades posted:

Nash's forward dash is totally average. It's even 1 frame slower than Ryu's.


I didn't even think about that. Gotta give that a shot.


I'm in a lovely position of not being able to break from my character loyalty and it so happen that Vega doesn't have any reversals and his VR is poo poo against Mika.

Gotta explore other options though.

Things Vega's V-Skill works against on reaction: Mika's drop kick, Zangief's armored punch, Alex's flash chop.

Agoat
Dec 4, 2012

I AM BAD AT GAMES
Lipstick Apathy

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

I think Nash and Bison are way more annoying than Mika. The former, you're going to get dash-grabbed. I'm not sure if it's possible to react to the Nash dash. The latter because you're blocking for 5-10 seconds when they get in.

I dash grab with Ryu and Ken. They're actually grapplers!

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

A.o.D. posted:

Things Vega's V-Skill works against on reaction: Mika's drop kick, Zangief's armored punch, Alex's flash chop.

Gief's st.hp? Neat. Though I usually just slide into it on reaction.

Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot
Are they actually going to release a fighter this month? They haven't said poo poo.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Microwaves Mom posted:

Are they actually going to release a fighter this month? They haven't said poo poo.

They're having trouble figuring out which food guile's hair should look like

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

Help Im Alive posted:

They're having trouble figuring out which food guile's hair should look like

The golden grains of America's wheat fields obv

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009
So obvious it should be blooming onion

Suspicious Cook
Oct 9, 2012

Onward to burgers!

hiddenriverninja posted:

The golden grains of America's wheat fields obv

Amber waves of grain, you mean. :911:

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

oh drat I should turn in my passport and SSN :ohdear:

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

God help me I've never played a fighting game and I can't play this one at all :smith:

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piratepilates
Mar 28, 2004

So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.



Luigi Thirty posted:

God help me I've never played a fighting game and I can't play this one at all :smith:

Have you tried mashing dp?

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