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Toxxupation posted:Yeah I dunno about Gwenpool. That literal last-page tone shift sure is, uh...let's say...unexpected? I'll bite: What happened?
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Gaz-L posted:I'll bite: What happened? Up until the final page they established Gwenpool as, unlike Deadpool who's sort of a Shakespearean fourth-wall breaking actor (aka someone who respects the rules of the universe established even when he's aware he's in a comic and whose comments are basically asides to the camera (the audience)), someone who knows that she's a character and is in a comic book and her actions are directly influenced by that. So, like, even though she has no super powers of any kind or even any martial arts training she'll enter into clearly suicidal fights she's totally outnumbered in because, and this is her voiced reasoning, she's the hero of the comic, and heroes win, so the fact that she's completely outmatched doesn't matter. She's absolutely safe. She acquires a hacker goon because she needs a sidekick, and because the comic so blatantly disrespects the fourth wall (he at one point flippantly mentions her "Truman Show thing"), it's clearly established to be one big goofer. She takes a merc job she has no business taking, some other dude kills everyone for her, and she quickly and easily pushes him into a portal to hell before taking all the credit. Then on the final page MODOK shows up, telling her that she's now his main goon (replacing his previous goon that she killed), and to show he means business kills the hacker goon friend. Like, as in, she's holding the dude's skull in her hands as she's crushed by the overwhelming realization that her actions have consequences. It's this weird really atonal beat after a comic all about how nothing matters because it's a comic.
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Apr 15, 2016 16:42
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Squizzle posted:A little child believed in him and told him to be Captain America again, and the strength of that child's naïve wish gave him back his Super Soldier juices. Is avengers alliance a crossover from other books then?
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Apr 15, 2016 17:05
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Toxxupation posted:
It seems to me you kind of bought into Gwenpool's view of the world. It's meant to be weirdly atonal, because on some level she's supposed to be an audience surrogate (she's literally a Marvel fan dropped into the 616). She knew she was in a comic, but she rather misjudged what the tone of that comic was. Maybe she figured she was in a more consequence-free story - but she forget she's spun off from Deadpool, who is in the top 10 of 'comic characters with the shittiest lives'. Playing with our expectations makes total sense that way.
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Apr 15, 2016 17:44
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Sodomy Non Sapiens posted:Doctor Strange: Season One is worth a look. The writing feels a little paint by numbers but Emma Rios' art is gorgeous: I read this recently, and really enjoyed it. Yvonmukluk posted:It seems to me you kind of bought into Gwenpool's view of the world. It's meant to be weirdly atonal, because on some level she's supposed to be an audience surrogate (she's literally a Marvel fan dropped into the 616). She knew she was in a comic, but she rather misjudged what the tone of that comic was. Maybe she figured she was in a more consequence-free story - but she forget she's spun off from Deadpool, who is in the top 10 of 'comic characters with the shittiest lives'. Playing with our expectations makes total sense that way. I think you're on to something.
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Apr 15, 2016 18:03
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I haven't, and probably won't read the book, but that kind of sounds exactly like the thing you'd see in a Deadpool book. Wackiness straight into personal horror. That should be part and parcel with the -pool name if the writer is doing something right.
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Apr 15, 2016 19:18
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I haven't read a lot of Deadpool, and certainly not as much as you, but for me I always interpreted the whackiness as a glorified aside - basically Deadpool commenting on events as they're happening. With Gwenpool it feels like the meta-narrative layer is the story they're telling, subtext-as-text essentially. I'm willing to concede that it can and probably will be going somewhere, which is why I strived to say that it wasn't necessary bad. It was very, very jarring, though.
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Apr 15, 2016 19:31
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Yvonmukluk posted:It seems to me you kind of bought into Gwenpool's view of the world. It's meant to be weirdly atonal, because on some level she's supposed to be an audience surrogate (she's literally a Marvel fan dropped into the 616). She knew she was in a comic, but she rather misjudged what the tone of that comic was. Maybe she figured she was in a more consequence-free story - but she forget she's spun off from Deadpool, who is in the top 10 of 'comic characters with the shittiest lives'. Playing with our expectations makes total sense that way. Yea, this is exactly my take on the situation too. Obviously this is intentional to lure the reader into not expecting the swerve.
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Apr 15, 2016 19:36
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Honestly anyone who thought that a book where the character kept going 'haha comic books are so dumb and I cannot be touched because I am the main character and awesome and nothing can happen that's bad and it's hilarious' would not have something bad happen to them is kind of... Silly. And really bad at picking up on hints. I disliked gwenpool until the end, because I felt like the whole 'None of this matters and everything is fake so I can kill anyone and do anything and it's totally not morally wrong to do bad things' attitude was kind of disgusting. It reminded me of the kid who sets ants on fire with a magnifying glass. I am glad there are consequences for Bad Things, even if the consequences seem to be 'worse things'
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Apr 15, 2016 20:10
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KittyEmpress posted:Honestly anyone who thought that a book where the character kept going 'haha comic books are so dumb and I cannot be touched because I am the main character and awesome and nothing can happen that's bad and it's hilarious' would not have something bad happen to them is kind of... Silly. And really bad at picking up on hints.
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Apr 15, 2016 21:11
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I like Gwenpool because I like Chris Hastings and because I will read pretty much anything Gurihiru does art for.
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Apr 15, 2016 21:39
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Chris Hastings is indeed a good writer and makes me have second thoughts about reading it. But I already have too many Marvel books so things I'm only interested in because of a writer and have no interested in the concept will just have to wait until maybe it shows on MU.
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Apr 15, 2016 21:41
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TwoPair posted:I like Gwenpool because I like Chris Hastings and because I will read pretty much anything Gurihiru does art for. Yea, I pretty much only picked it up because of Gurihiru's art, its cute and fits the character really well.
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Apr 15, 2016 22:02
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zoux posted:Cap sure gets a lot of plot developments from Cosmic Cube wishes.  Credit to some goon from an old Ruin the Moment thread.
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Apr 15, 2016 22:58
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I read Thanos: The Infinity Finale last night, and I've been thinking: it's strange that Gladiator, for as powerful as he is and as dangerous as he's occasionally depicted as being, has become the cosmic jobber of the Marvel Universe. Off the top of my head, he's got a couple of unequivocal wins (beating up Colossus in the Phoenix Saga, and he did all right in the War of Kings arc), but since then he gets worked pretty regularly: * Beaten up by the X-Men and Starjammers off-panel in one of Claremont's last issues of Uncanny * Knocked out in one panel by Gambit in the issue after that * Cut in half by an evil Silver Surfer in Exiles * Gets soloed by Cannonball in Scott Lobdell's run on Uncanny * Sacrifices himself (and gets better) at one point in Walter Simonson's run on Fantastic Four * In Infinity Finale, he's the first one killed by an orbital strike from Annihilus * In Infinity Revelation, Thanos teleports him two hundred light-years away rather than bother fighting him * The Phoenix Five takes him out in Wolverine & The X-Men
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Apr 15, 2016 23:05
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I believe Cassandra Nova also caused him to wet himself once?
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Apr 16, 2016 00:13
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Just read through the new ultimates books and I'm really digging the high concept cosmic stuff it's doing.
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Apr 16, 2016 00:16
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Wheat Loaf posted:I believe Cassandra Nova also caused him to wet himself once? Yes. His power is proportional to his confidence. A few of those fights are bullshit, but you just have to make him doubt himself to kick his rear end. Now I miss Kid Gladiator. Same powers, but with added teenage overconfidence.
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Apr 16, 2016 02:26
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Die Laughing posted:Now I miss Kid Gladiator. Same powers, but with added teenage overconfidence. Didn't he return to Earth right before that series ended? I'd love to see him used again. They oughtta do a Young Uncanny Avengers book. Kid Gladiator, Ms Marvel, Rockslide, and I dunno, 3-5 less-awesome young heroes.
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Apr 16, 2016 17:15
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Diet Poison posted:Didn't he return to Earth right before that series ended? I'd love to see him used again. They oughtta do a Young Uncanny Avengers book. Kid Gladiator, Ms Marvel, Rockslide, and I dunno, 3-5 less-awesome young heroes.
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Apr 16, 2016 17:47
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Diet Poison posted:Didn't he return to Earth right before that series ended? I'd love to see him used again. They oughtta do a Young Uncanny Avengers book. Kid Gladiator, Ms Marvel, Rockslide, and I dunno, 3-5 less-awesome young heroes. Ms. Marvel, Ms. America, Kid Gladiator, Kate, Mettle and Hazmat (happily together). Though on second thought, Kamala might not fit in that team so well, she's way too nice. ETA: Which reminds me. At the end of Siege, Ms. America kicks her way out of the universe. Does that mean the Ms. American in ANAD remembers Battleworld etc.? Forgive me if my MU-delayed reading is causing annoying questions. Test Pattern fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Apr 16, 2016 23:20
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I've always felt that America in Battleworld was 616 America. She just saw the world ending and kicked a hole in reality and went to Battleworld. Though that implies that there is a 1602 Kate out there somewhere. I dunno, Kamala would probably function well on a Young Avengers team, being the heart of the team that calls everyone on their poo poo.
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Apr 16, 2016 23:45
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I can not wait for Avengers initiative/Academy 2.0 with a bunch of fun teen or young adult characters. I will be sad when it only runs for 20 some issues followed by Avengers Teen Deathmatch-Who Will Survive? RIP Juston and Mettle.
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Apr 17, 2016 00:27
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Test Pattern posted:Ms. Marvel, Ms. America, Kid Gladiator, Kate, Mettle and Hazmat (happily together). Though on second thought, Kamala might not fit in that team so well, she's way too nice. You cut out Rockslide this will not stand I'd honestly prefer him to Kid Gladiator by far
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Apr 17, 2016 00:32
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twistedmentat posted:I've always felt that America in Battleworld was 616 America. She just saw the world ending and kicked a hole in reality and went to Battleworld. Though that implies that there is a 1602 Kate out there somewhere. In the Siege tie in she mentions how there was pizza on her Earth.
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Apr 17, 2016 01:01
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Pizza is a universal constant, but DOOM is above remembering such petty things!
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Apr 17, 2016 01:03
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There's no way Doom's mask allows for him to eat pizza, so he doesn't see the need for it.
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Apr 17, 2016 01:09
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Aphrodite posted:There's no way Doom's mask allows for him to eat pizza, so he doesn't see the need for it. Doom would invent some kind of molecular phasing device to allow the pizza to pass through his mask without having to open it. Not even Doom can resist a good slice.
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Apr 17, 2016 01:14
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Do not presume to speak for Doom!
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Apr 17, 2016 01:22
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Doom's probably a Chicago style guy. He'd have to be, since you know Reed is New York style.
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Apr 17, 2016 01:22
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Aphrodite posted:Doom's probably a Chicago style guy. There's no way he likes Chicago "pizza". He might be evil, but he's one of his world's finest minds.
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Apr 17, 2016 01:28
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Doom either has super cheesy, greasy pizza or artisanal pizza of the highest ingredients.
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Apr 17, 2016 01:58
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Doom went to college in New York City. He's not gonna touch that casserole that Chicagoans insist on calling pizza. He probably found one favorite pizza joint on the corner while he was at school, and has since built an exact replica of that pizza place in Latveria, run by Doombots.
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Apr 17, 2016 02:19
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Ignoring these slights to Chicago pizza that hooligans insist upon strewing about an otherwise clean thread, I have to figure that Doom, being a European snob, only eats Neapolitan-style pizza with all the authenticated ingredients: Campana mozzarella, San Marzano tomatoes, etc. Either that or there's a specific Latverian version, concocted during Doom's brief experimentation with molecular gastronomy.
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Apr 17, 2016 02:48
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You guys have your Doom traits all out of whack. It goes: Gigantic childish teary eyed baby Reed Richards contrarian. European nobility Genius
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Apr 17, 2016 02:58
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Wanderer posted:
This. Doomza is a unique and transcendant Latverian delicacy and is unrelated to anything the Americans or Italians have concocted in their crude attempts to mimic Doom's true culinary mastery.
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Apr 17, 2016 02:59
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Die Laughing posted:In the Siege tie in she mentions how there was pizza on her Earth. I like when Lady Kate says "I need to find a Barton, I feel the need to feel disappointed in something".
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Apr 17, 2016 03:06
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Doom went to college in New York City. He's not gonna touch that casserole that Chicagoans insist on calling pizza. A man with the ability to pluck NYC skyscrapers from the ground and send them into space doesn't build replicas of tiny pizzerias.
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Apr 17, 2016 03:11
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Doom eats pizza with a fork and knife.
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Aphrodite posted:Doom's probably a Chicago style guy. Richards likes floppy pizza, yes. Would that the universe was reshaped and that buffoons who enjoyed such blasphemy never existed! 
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