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Aliquid posted:should def be Ron Paul Joe Biden on the front, Trans Am on the back
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Daniel Bryan posted:Have some fun with money chat instead. The only thing that saved this bill's design is a hit broadway musical
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DemeaninDemon posted:Jill Stein's full of poo poo and supports children dying/suffering from diseases that should be eradicated. So I've never actually seen Jill Stein say anything about vaccines (which is what I assume you are talking about here), and a quick Google search didn't turn up anything either. Could you provide a link to her being anti-vaccination?
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VikingofRock posted:So I've never actually seen Jill Stein say anything about vaccines (which is what I assume you are talking about here), and a quick Google search didn't turn up anything either. Could you provide a link to her being anti-vaccination? quote:Greens support a wide-range of health care services, not just traditional medicine which too often emphasizes "a medical arms race" that relies upon high-tech intervention, surgical techniques and costly pharmaceuticals. Chronic conditions are often best cured by alternative medicine. We support the teaching, funding and practice of holistic health approaches and as appropriate, the use of complementary and alternative therapies such as herbal medicines, homeopathy, naturopathy, traditional Chinese medicine and other healing approaches. Social Justice section of GP.org That little paragraph. It's dog whistle antiscience bullshit.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Social Justice section of GP.org greems are dorks, people should really realize this more often e: traditional chinese medicine, lmao. thats one hell of a thing for an "enviromental" party to support. at least homeopathy doesnt result in poaching.
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VikingofRock posted:So I've never actually seen Jill Stein say anything about vaccines (which is what I assume you are talking about here), and a quick Google search didn't turn up anything either. Could you provide a link to her being anti-vaccination? It's not that they say "vaccines are bad" per se, but that like DD posted they support a bunch of alt medicine quackery, which is the core of what leads to anti-vaccination beliefs.
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The Green Party has beliefs that look good at surface level, but if you spend a few minutes looking deeper it quickly gets 
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DemeaninDemon posted:Social Justice section of GP.org they're not wrong in terms of americans really prefer medical treatment to be painful, invasive, and costly. compared to many other places in the world we treat the human body like a machine which can be dismantled and rebuilt. i strongly disagree with alternative medicine as a primary or secondary treatment method but it has uses - to soothe hypochondriacs, to treat conditions where placebo would suffice, and as pallative care. there's also a thing called a culture bound syndrome, or a disease that only affects people from a certain cultural tradition for totally mysterious reasons, so folk remedies are often good for that as well. one of the culture bound treatments in american culture is to do these ridiculously advanced and complicated surgeries or treatment regimens - for example, taking pills that gently caress with your blood to reduce your cholesterol when you could, you know, just change your diet. we could get some leverage out of that, like here's a pill made out of dog farts that reduces the fat in your blood, but it only works so long as you don't eat fried foods and red meat. a decent amount of the time medical treatment is just a social ritual where you get doctored on so you feel more healed, and kick in the natural placebo positive thinking that's an important contributor to health boner confessor fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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DemeaninDemon posted:Social Justice section of GP.org Well that's the Green Party as a whole. I've never really seen anything that says that Stein agrees with that plank of the platform. I'm not trying to be pedantic here, I really do think that's an important distinction to make. I do think being part of a party which is anti-vaccine reflects poorly on Dr Stein, but given the vitriol I've seen against her personally on this forum I was wondering if there was anything more substantial. Edit: that said, wow that paragraph is embarrassing. I guess protest parties will always attract crazies, but still that is terrible. VikingofRock fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:they're not wrong in terms of americans really prefer medical treatment to be painful, invasive, and costly. compared to many other places in the world we treat the human body like a machine which can be dismantled and rebuilt. i strongly disagree with alternative medicine as a primary or secondary treatment method but it has uses - to soothe hypochondriacs, to treat conditions where placebo would suffice, and as pallative care. there's also a thing called a culture bound syndrome, or a disease that only affects people from a certain cultural tradition for totally mysterious reasons, so folk remedies are often good for that as well. one of the culture bound treatments in american culture is to do these ridiculously advanced and complicated surgeries or treatment regimens - for example, taking pills that gently caress with your blood to reduce your cholesterol when you could, you know, just change your diet. we could get some leverage out of that, like here's a pill made out of dog farts that reduces the fat in your blood, but it only works so long as you don't eat fried foods and red meat. a decent amount of the time medical treatment is just a social ritual where you get doctored on so you feel more healed, and kick in the natural placebo positive thinking that's an important contributor to health Feeding into scientific ignorance isn't a good thing. I'm so strongly against anti-vaxx bullshit that Stein associating herself with the green party is enough for me to not like her at all. Islam is the Lite Rock FM fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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DemeaninDemon posted:Feeding into scientific ignorance isn't a good thing. meh, the human experience is too complicated to pit it as pro-science/anti-science psychology is a medical field and is in many ways non-scientific. i agree with you though that alternative medicine should be in no way compared to actual empirical medical science. i just think that it's not completely useless, for reasons we can't yet fully explain placebo is a powerful drug
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My weed use it technically homeopathy, but it helps me with my crippling migraines.
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Kokoro Wish posted:My weed use it technically homeopathy, but it helps me with my crippling migraines. i wouldn't call that homeopathy, but i would call it alternative medicine in that we can't explain how or why it works but there's a strong correlation between weed smoking and some neurological conditions problems that arise primarily in the brain still need some kind of hazy voodoo treatment in many cases because as yet we know so little about how the brain functions. in a sense alternative medicine can sometimes be the bleeding edge of things that we're not really sure how they work, but we're pretty sure that they do work
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Weed's still hampered by being schedule 1 so it's balls-hard to get solid, empirical research done. It's why you should be super excited if the schedule changes.
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Gyges posted:How are we going to give Jackson a continuous middle finger then? This is stupid and the treasury should know better. Switch out the $1, $2, $5, $50, or $100. Jackson was a huge piece of poo poo, so I doubt there's going to be a lot of people crying when it comes time to throw him off the $20. This shoulda been the plan from the start anyway. How anyone thought that whole "A lady will share the $10 with Hamilton!" was a good idea is beyond me.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:they're not wrong in terms of americans really prefer medical treatment to be painful, invasive, and costly. compared to many other places in the world we treat the human body like a machine which can be dismantled and rebuilt. i strongly disagree with alternative medicine as a primary or secondary treatment method but it has uses - to soothe hypochondriacs, to treat conditions where placebo would suffice, and as pallative care. there's also a thing called a culture bound syndrome, or a disease that only affects people from a certain cultural tradition for totally mysterious reasons, so folk remedies are often good for that as well. one of the culture bound treatments in american culture is to do these ridiculously advanced and complicated surgeries or treatment regimens - for example, taking pills that gently caress with your blood to reduce your cholesterol when you could, you know, just change your diet. we could get some leverage out of that, like here's a pill made out of dog farts that reduces the fat in your blood, but it only works so long as you don't eat fried foods and red meat. a decent amount of the time medical treatment is just a social ritual where you get doctored on so you feel more healed, and kick in the natural placebo positive thinking that's an important contributor to health No, statins are good actually and more people should probably take them. It's a lot easier to eat some pills than it is to change your lifestyle, which is why more people do that. Just because someone could do more isn't a good reason not to help them. Unless you want to punish people for being lazy or ignorant, which is exactly what the spread of alternative "medicine" is. It doesn't sooth hypochondriacs, it kills people by telling them they can cure their cancer by drinking this tea. Don't you know chemotherapy is poison?
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Kokoro Wish posted:My weed use it technically homeopathy, but it helps me with my crippling migraines. smoking literal grass from your lawn which would have zero positive effects would be closer, though it doesn't follow what homeopathy is all about at all. diluting belladona aka deadly nightshade in water or alcohol to the point where the original molecules no longer exist is what you're looking for, and it's what they literally do: http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm230762.htm (children's teething tablets) and it looks like they ended up not being as diluted as planned. lul. homeopathy consists of heavily diluting things that would normally harm you to the point that they no longer exist or close to not existing and then claiming that its effect happens to be the opposite in its diluted state, which is measured by its "potency" or how diluted it is. this was invented before modern germ theory existed. read up on homeopathy and learn how stupid people are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_dilutions Scrotum Modem fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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I'm pretty sure the state of American education is such that a large chunk of people think Homeopathy means "treating it at home."
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US currency should go back to the way it was for the majority of our time as an independant state: no specific people on the money at all. Even if I get somebody I want on the money now, I am going to hate who the Republican assholes who take power in the 2032 elections put on the money later. The old way was better and set us apart in a good way.
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Also, no 1 cent piece, $1, $2, and $5 coins instead of bills. If I'm listing impossible pipe dreams.
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm pretty sure the state of American education is such that a large chunk of people think Homeopathy means "treating it at home." Actually to alot of people, homeopathy and alternative medicine as terms cover pretty much the same thing to them. I know that in every social circle I've run in, no-one knew the exact technical meaning. And hell, I'd take nightshade if it loving worked. As it is, luckily a good pot bownie is all I need to stay perky and pain free unless it's really, really bad.
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Daniel Bryan posted:Have some fun with money chat instead. I'm not going to say that this is entirely because of the musical, but I think had a blockbuster broadway show all about Alexander Hamilton not opened in the past year absolutely no one would have given a poo poo about Hamilton being taken off the $10. And I'm a part of that group, so thanks, Lin-Manuel Miranda, for helping us rediscover one of the lesser known founding fathers, and also gently caress Andrew Jackson forever. I say we put Jackson on the penny and make a cool $2 coin for Lincoln because that's way more useful than a dumb penny.
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How could you replace Hamilton after this song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRhTeaa_B98
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All of the founding fathers, except for Thomas Paine, sucked in various ways. Currency should show artists and writers rather than founders and presidents.
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GalacticAcid posted:All of the founding fathers, except for Thomas Paine, sucked in various ways. Currency should show artists and writers rather than founders and presidents. people suck, we should just put animals on all the bills and coins
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which would you rather see, Washington's ugly mug or a cute lil bear cub on your dolla bill
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GalacticAcid posted:All of the founding fathers, except for Thomas Paine, sucked in various ways. Currency should show artists and writers rather than founders and presidents. If the men who saved the Union don't deserve to be on our currency then I don't know who does. 
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Acebuckeye13 posted:If the men who saved the Union don't deserve to be on our currency then I don't know who does. Hard to leave Jackson off given that criterion. mandatory lesbian posted:which would you rather see, Washington's ugly mug or a cute lil bear cub on your dolla bill That would be neat. I'd like to see buffaloes and turkeys and poo poo. And, despite their co-option by REMEMBER BENGHAZI-type propaganda, bald eagles are cool as hell.
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Grapplejack posted:The only thing that saved this bill's design is a hit broadway musical Bloody, Bloody Andrew Jackson just didn't strike as much of a cord.
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GalacticAcid posted:Hard to leave Jackson off given that criterion. Bald Eagles are scavengers and Franklin thought a Turkey would be more fitting.
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We should go with cool science and discoveries. Put stuff like the Saturn V rocket on our bills.
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CommieGIR posted:Bald Eagles are scavengers Everybody's gotta make a living.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:We should go with cool science and discoveries. Put stuff like the Saturn V rocket on our bills. I always did find it strange how the Americans spent so much money to get on the Moon and they don't even celebrate it on their money, it's just long dead politicians instead. You could just put Apollo program stuff on all the denominations. Or throw in the personal computer, ARPANET, and the cotton gin as well.
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The Model T would belong in that company, although Henry Ford was a loving Nazi.
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mandatory lesbian posted:people suck, we should just put animals on all the bills and coins "Hey man, could you spare a buck?" "Sure." *Passes a $20 with the image of a deer on it.*
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Antti posted:I always did find it strange how the Americans spent so much money to get on the Moon and they don't even celebrate it on their money, it's just long dead politicians instead. Apollo 11's mission patch was on the backside of the dollar coin from the '70s, but unfortunately dollar coins are and always have been about as popular as Actual Communism. GalacticAcid posted:The Model T would belong in that company, although Henry Ford was a loving Nazi. Ford's views were complicated (And occasionally reprehensible), but he was far from being a Nazi. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Antti posted:I always did find it strange how the Americans spent so much money to get on the Moon and they don't even celebrate it on their money, it's just long dead politicians instead. Reverse of the Eisenhower dollar coin, 1971 - 1975, 1977 - 1978:  Same image was on the reverse of the Susan B. Anthony dollar coin 1979 - 1981. We just decided to stop caring about dollar coins, then when we decided to start again, we decided that collectible bullshit was more important, which says a huge amount about us today.
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GalacticAcid posted:The Model T would belong in that company, although Henry Ford was a loving Nazi.
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