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spog posted:If it were me, I'd have fixed the big digger and then used it to clear up its own mess. People who have had to deal with similar incidents and are otherwise familiar with heavy equipment use in industry may draw different conclusions.
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its not exactly easy to take 4mm of soil off the surface with a machine that weighs 1,530,300 lbs and has a 47 cubic yard front shovel on it. Its also got 2,500 gallons of hydraulic oil in it so that was literally a "Minor leak"
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Apr 19, 2016 13:26
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Sagebrush posted:I don't know, I once heard about a guy from Germany who was a pretty charismatic public speaker That dude was Austrian, though.
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Memento posted:Komatsu responded really quickly and really well. Looks like the crowd at the end was a lot larger, they got some decent publicity out of it and turned it into a positive. They just wanted an excuse to play with the rest of the toys. OH NO GROUND CONTAMINATION GET THE LITTLE ONE (flips tie over shoulder)
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Apr 19, 2016 14:35
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*draws curtains* *browser incognito mode* *quietly googles construction simulator*
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Ferremit posted:its not exactly easy to take 4mm of soil off the surface with a machine that weighs 1,530,300 lbs and has a 47 cubic yard front shovel on it. Its also got 2,500 gallons of hydraulic oil in it so that was literally a "Minor leak" I believe it was 40mm of soil, but the point remains - their mention of "intelligent machine control" got me to watch the product video of the PC210i and it's actually pretty drat slick, it has built in sensors that can guide you to create a perfectly flat surface with better accuracy than the usual extra-person-measuring-levelness dealio, which is pretty awesome. You can also set lower limits on diggin' (to avoid hitting conduits you know are buried somewhere, for example) and it autodetects when the bucket is full and stops scooping more dirt into it. very slick, makes me think we can't be very far from full automation Seat Safety Switch posted:They just wanted an excuse to play with the rest of the toys. while i am sure this is 100% true, you could also see this as "while we fix the big one, we'll use the little one to clean up after it, so there is minimal downtime! yay!"
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Seat Safety Switch posted:They just wanted an excuse to play with the rest of the toys. "Here we see the children defending and helping their injured mother, by covering the scent of her blood to prevent Caterpillar predators from excavating near her as she recovers...."
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IOwnCalculus posted:It is (well, was) a NV247 so there is no 4WD high range locked - just "All Time" that uses a gerotor-based lockup in the event of rear wheel slippage. Only other choices are neutral and 4Lo. I wish I knew. JK parts are too expensive for my unwashed heathen wallet. There's a solid chance it's either swappable or can be partsbinned until it's swappable, but I can't guarantee it. You shouldn't be too surprised if you end up needing custom driveshafts, either. SouthsideSaint posted:I have lost brake pins from two different fleet rangers. On two seperate days. And two different trucks. Never did it again since. Now I use a 1/2 breaker bar for most bracket bolts and a long handle 3/8 for the slide bolts. Dude, aren't you a professional mechanic? Stop gudentighting and/or losing stuff on customers cars and use a freakin torque wrench. I don't use a torque wrench on that stuff, but then again I'm not doing this on other people's junk, just mine, and I'm not being paid to do it either. Seat Safety Switch posted:They just wanted an excuse to play with the rest of the toys. This is actually how poo poo gets done onsite though, you'll see things like people putting tires on downed scrapers using a bobcat or backhoe to lift the tire/wheel, etc. When you've got a machine that big, it costs cubic dollars (hell, any earthmoving equipment is expensive as hell) and you want it back online and doing its job ASAP, so if you have to tell the guy re-grading the access road with a bobcat to knock it off and come help for an hour or two, it's worth it. kastein fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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Apr 19, 2016 19:03
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kastein posted:
I've worked at two dealerships and two indie shops and have literally never seen anyone use a torque wrench on anything other than internal engine, transmission, or rear end fasteners. Time is money. There is a reason I don't allow anybody to work on my stuff but me.
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I'm certainly not a shining example of torque wrench usage (I use a torque wrench on what amounts to Expensive poo poo/Things That Spin/Bearings (axle nuts, harmonic balancers, head bolts, bearing cap bolts, pinion nuts, ring gear and flywheel/pressure plate/flexplate bolts, etc) but then again I've never had poo poo come loose* and I've never forgotten an important bolt**, and most importantly, it was on my own crapcans, not someone else's. * except that one time the rear output yoke on the transfer case slip yoke eliminator kit I put in my Cherokee kept working its way loose because I installed the gasket wrong and didn't torque it to spec! ** except that one time the fluid fill plug on the same transfer case was put in hand tight and not checked after installation! This is a perfect example of "why I don't wrench while severely sleep deprived", I hadn't slept in nearly 40 hours when I reassembled that transfer case.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:18
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I use a torque wrench for Goddamned Everything and it itches in my brain when a bolt doesn't have a documented torque specification and I have to fall back on the thread diameter.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:34
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I work in a shop where I attempt to hide my usage of the torque wrench before someone comes over, laughs at me and uses an impact to tighten another axle nut. *BRRRRT* "HAHAHA THAT'S TORQUED TO SPEC!"
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Apr 19, 2016 23:01
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Sudo Echo posted:
Looks super old me me. On a similar note: 
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Apr 19, 2016 23:44
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It's a good thing that lead is a soft metal (and that track rod ends aren't made of lead)
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ShittyPostmakerPro posted:It's a good thing that lead is a soft metal (and that track rod ends aren't made of lead) they balance each other out.
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FopeDush posted:Looks super old me me. On a similar note: had that happen once on a Very Special Customer who insisted we switch his very rare unobtanium steel Corolla wheels from clip-on to tape weights. fouled on the tie rod end, and i had to spend several minutes explaining that no, i could not just "filet" the weights in half and use glue to attach the top half to the wheel.
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0toShifty posted:I work in a shop where I attempt to hide my usage of the torque wrench before someone comes over, laughs at me and uses an impact to tighten another axle nut. *BRRRRT* "HAHAHA THAT'S TORQUED TO SPEC!" This is why I take my wheels to the store to have them balanced and do the summer/winter changes myself. On my previous car they managed to break off 1 stud in the hub and completely strip out one of the holes in the other hub.
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veedubfreak posted:This is why I take my wheels to the store to have them balanced and do the summer/winter changes myself. On my previous car they managed to break off 1 stud in the hub and completely strip out one of the holes in the other hub. The tire shop I used to go to made me a customer for life when during my first tire mount/balance, they broke out the torque wrench for the lugs, AND LOOKED UP THE CORRECT TORQUE VALUE. I took every bit of business I had to them from that point until they closed a few months ago. 
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spog posted:If it were me, I'd have fixed the big digger and then used it to clear up its own mess. What? It blew a hydraulic hose. That happens all the time and is a very simple fix, usually. Something that big probably requires hoses beyond the size an average supply shop* can put together in 15 minutes, but still. The idea behind using a smaller, running piece of equipment to dig up the contaminated soil was to do it quickly before it soaked in deeper and necessitated removing even more soil. In the construction project, "send the parts runner to the nearest NAPA" sense. A big mine would have a full fledged hose shop on-site. E: Midjack posted:People who have had to deal with similar incidents and are otherwise familiar with heavy equipment use in industry may draw different conclusions. Yeah, that. Whattup entire extra page 
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MrYenko posted:The tire shop I used to go to made me a customer for life when during my first tire mount/balance, they broke out the torque wrench for the lugs, AND LOOKED UP THE CORRECT TORQUE VALUE. I took every bit of business I had to them from that point until they closed a few months ago. I went to a shop that did that and was elated. I went back that a few years later and they had a huge wait, but wouldn't put my name on a list and let me leave without losing my place in line, so I had to wait almost two hours before they got to my car. Still, they were the good shop, so I waited. Next time I went to take my tires off, they were stuck on real good and I had to pay some guy $10 to loosen them for me, so obviously the shop stopped using torque wrenches and just zipped them on as tight as possible.
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I once had a rotation done with an oil change at a dealership, and while checking the torque on the lugs afterwards (I was getting ready to tow something at the vehicle's limit) found that a bunch were around 40-50 lb-ft and one was pretty well cross-threaded. I went back to the dealership minutes after closing in a bit of a huff and the general manager brought me into the shop to have the bad bolt "taken care of". What did that mean? It meant the guy hit it with the impact to tighten it back down (the general manager tried to blame me because I hadn't been more specific with what I wanted, apparently). Of course this just locked it up on the stud even worse, and they didn't have a stud available. I had to go back first thing the next morning and watch them cut the loving stud out because they had straight up melted the nut on the stud and couldn't pull it off. It was pretty god drat incredible. They gave me two free oil changes to make up but of course I never went near the place again. * Oh, and before the guy completely hosed the stud he bitched about a girl mechanic doing the job in the first place. Nice job, you dumb, misogynist poo poo.
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MrYenko posted:The tire shop I used to go to made me a customer for life when during my first tire mount/balance, they broke out the torque wrench for the lugs, AND LOOKED UP THE CORRECT TORQUE VALUE. I took every bit of business I had to them from that point until they closed a few months ago. I found myself in a pinch and had to get the required safety/emissions (emissions exempt) test done on a Sunday in Utah (on a 66 Corvette). You can count on one finger the number of shops available: Jiffy Lube. I was not happy, and I watched the whole time, but the guys did poo poo right. When it came time to put the wheel back on, the guy actually came over to ask me if I knew the torque spec because their reference materials didn't have it listed.
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MrYenko posted:The tire shop I used to go to made me a customer for life when during my first tire mount/balance, they broke out the torque wrench for the lugs, AND LOOKED UP THE CORRECT TORQUE VALUE. I took every bit of business I had to them from that point until they closed a few months ago. Kal-Tire in town here does it every time. I love it.
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Seems like almost everyone has a story about a tire shop loving up their lugs. I guess most of the time if a shop cross threads or overtorques the lugs the owner probably isn't going to notice for years, or won't even have the car when it needs tires again, so they can just keep doing it?
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Apr 20, 2016 16:52
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Or maybe tire shops are barely a step above quick lube joints and hire the most incompetent slack jawed buffoons they can dig up because how hard can replacing a tire really be?
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Apr 20, 2016 16:55
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There's probably more than a little of 'the customer really doesn't give a poo poo about the quality of the work, they just want the car working today for as little money as possible'
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http://gfycat.com/ImmaterialFineIsopod Edit: Oh, it's missing the audio. Which is largely irrelevant. From: https://tacairnet.com/2016/04/20/watch-as-three-airdropped-humvees-plummet-to-their-demise/
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PaintVagrant posted:The failure is me...I brought my car to an indie to get some struts out (seized in with rust) that I got stuck on. This is what I get, I guess.I just got the car up on stands to take a look at it, work was about a week ago. Been driving it to and from work. Thats one strut mount hole just...bored out? Slag everywhere from I guess drilling or grinding the old bolts/sleeves out. They literally just put a crush washer on and installed the new bolt on top of the slag. I am speechless, they are local and I am going to walk over there and talk to them about it. They arent touching my car ever again, I am getting 100% of my money back and a new trailing arm, at the least. gently caress. Update on this: called the shop, talked to the shop manager. Was reasonably calm on the phone, I was upset sounding I am sure but I wasnt yelling or anything. He asked me to bring the car in. I brought it in, got there and he wasnt there, was out on a test drive. Spoke with another dude (I think a service writer). He was pretty cool, I showed him the pics and asked him what he thought. You could tell he was appalled but played it close to the chest. He started calling around looking for a new trailing arm for my car. I was pretty calm at this point, wasnt raising my voice. Shop manager guy came in, sat down and asked me who I was. I explained who I was and why I was here. The service writer asked me to show him the pictures. He looks at them, I explain what I think happened (slag/etc). He crosses his arms with a smug look on his face and says "lets talk about functionality". "Excuse me? I ask. Do you mean does it drive? Yes it does, at least for now. Until the arm cracks or the strut rips out or something else happens due to the mounting points being so compromised" And so began a seesaw conversation of him claiming he was going to repair the damage, but had to see it in person. Me explaining the car was 15 feet away in his parking lot. Him saying that they can fix the work but he doesnt let anyone come into his shop and say that work was "shoddy". Me saying "yeah, except this is shoddy". This escalated repeatedly, him saying "yeah we will sort of fix it but its not our fault and stop saying its bad work" and me saying "youre not apologizing and yes, it is bad work" until we were screaming at each other and he threatened to call the cops on me. Phrases like "give me my loving car back" and "my drunk uncle could do better" may have been said. Also "you'll hear from my lawyer" (lol) The poor service writer, who was a nice guy, was at this point was pulling my car around. I stormed out, asked him to get out of my car. I explained to him that I could not work with that manager rear end in a top hat, but he was cool. He apologized to me for the manager and I nodded and left. I don't know what to do at this point. I wasn't speaking with the owner, so I guess I could look up that person and call them. I am probably going to call my cc company and try to charge the work back. Write some nasty yelp and google maps reviews I guess. The steam is still coming out of my ears, I have never gone into a profanity laced tirade at someone in a place of business before. I couldn't believe his loving attitude, his smarmy "we will fix it but this is your fault and your attitude is lovely" escalated the situation from a 3 to a straight 10.
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How in any loving way is it your fault? They're the baboons with an O/A torch. Jesus gently caress. Lug nuts are actually one thing I have literally never used a torque wrench for. Should I? Yes, probably. But I've never damaged a wheel, never had one come loose, and never damaged a stud or nut. Hell, I've never even had one be loose when I check them 20 and 100 miles after service. I've got no real issue with someone using an impact on them, either, as long as they hand-start them so they don't cross thread. Which no one does, so keep your loving impact away from my lugs dammit 
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Yeah. I am just drinking a lot now, I am going to stop thinking about it for a day.
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Sounds like it's lawyer and chargeback time to me, PaintVagrant. What a oval office. All it would have taken is a replacement LCA and hardware (maybe a new strut too since I think your strut was cracked from this?) and everything would have worked out just fine, but no, he's got to be a oval office because "NOBODY CALLS US SHODDY" - maybe nobody would call your work shoddy if you didn't do shoddy fuckin' work, mate it boggles my mind that petulant manchildren like this achieve anything in life... at least service writer guy was on your side, even if he couldn't help you 
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Yeah definitely going to charge it back. I could tell as soon as the manager started talking that we were going to have a rough time. I wish I had recorded it. The strut looks OK, but the rubber ring around the bushing is painted orange, and that paint is sort of cracked. I dont think its any actual damage, but I should probably take it apart and look. The LCA (technically a trailing arm I think) is the real issue. Its a 200 dollar part I think.
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The moment management types pull out something like "let's talk functionality" you know you're pretty much hosed  All this over a ~$200 part and an hour or two of labor, jesus. And yeah, on closer inspection it looks like the strut's probably okay. Why is that rubber part even painted? 
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Update: The service writer called me, he is actually the manager's brother. He profusely apologized over everything and wants to order the LCA and fix it for free. His apology was pretty genuine, and he said his bro was going through some tough poo poo I guess. He wanted me to come in (his bro is gone for the day) and drop the car off so they can see what side LCA is hosed. I told him I would call him back and that I appreciated the gesture. Ultimately, I am just going to call him, tell him what part I need, and ask for a refund. If I don't get that, then I guess I start bitching on social media platforms. But hopefully I wont have to do that. The thought of them working on my car again, especially with this manager who clearly was not on board with fixing my issue, is hair raising. Also, what happens when I go to pick up the car and have to talk to that dude again? I could legitimately see it getting physical, which is so stupid but probably true.
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H110Hawk posted:http://gfycat.com/ImmaterialFineIsopod How many college educations was that, 6? Woops!
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kastein posted:
Yeah but this is from long ago. I'm sure you have horror stories from when you started wrenching on cars. Every mechanic who is a pro that I have met has horror stories like that. If you don't gently caress up you will never learn. And I never gorilla tighten by hand that's what an impact is for and knowing the correct amount of brap for the type of bolt goes along way.
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PaintVagrant posted:Update: The service writer called me, he is actually the manager's brother. He profusely apologized over everything and wants to order the LCA and fix it for free. His apology was pretty genuine, and he said his bro was going through some tough poo poo I guess. He wanted me to come in (his bro is gone for the day) and drop the car off so they can see what side LCA is hosed. I told him I would call him back and that I appreciated the gesture. Update Part Deux (the last update). The original dude apologized as well and they are refunding me all of the money and giving me a new LCA. They aren't touching the car. So, I took a day off to get back roughly the same amount of money and yell/have serious apology discussions. Weird day man.
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    Darn, they're not all the same size.
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