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Tuxedo Jack posted:I'm saying not a lot of people brought Space Marines to this GT, and the meta was really weird. I'm saying that taking SM is not an auto-win. Oh no, I agree with you there. What I'm trying to say is that the vast majority of support goes to the 'Imperial Faction'. It makes sense from a business perspective, but I think it's also what's killing the game. There really isn't any incentive to buy into a xenos army that isn;t Eldar or Tau because you're never going to get that level of support. Ask yourself, is this latest release, complete with three new psychic disciplines tailored to Imperials, really necessary? Perhaps Orks could have gotten some sweet new Gork and Mork powers, or Tyranids could have gotten something that didn't suck (  )
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Boon posted:Oh no, I agree with you there. We're agreed. I'm just pointing out that if Renegades and Skitari and Necrons and Daemons can all come in the top ten (all above Space Marines) then there's more parity than people are willing to admit. Those armies made heavy use of allies in some cases, and might be outliers in the overall meta, but it still happened - among some incredibly talented players - fwiw.
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Herr Tog posted:wait 30k doesnt have Tau right? Nope. By the fluff they're literally Stone Age at best at this time.
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Zaphod42 posted:Sorta, but those people would then become part of the genestealer cult. Ghosar Quintus already has lots of first-generation mostly-human genestealers; those are what you're talking about. I don't understand why you're making such a distinction between the genestealer cult and the tyranids. if a bunch of Space Marines get genestealed, they're gonna be working for the Tyranids, via the genestealer cult. I'm sure there'd probably be plenty of second and third generation genestealers running around by the time the hivefleet proper shows up, but forge your fuckin' narative, say maybe some first generations are still around. It fits the fluff, and it's not like it's gonna make Tyranids overpowered
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boom boom boom posted:I don't understand why you're making such a distinction between the genestealer cult and the tyranids. if a bunch of Space Marines get genestealed, they're gonna be working for the Tyranids, via the genestealer cult. I'm sure there'd probably be plenty of second and third generation genestealers running around by the time the hivefleet proper shows up, but forge your fuckin' narative, say maybe some first generations are still around. Id allow it but only if you had genestealers in your army and have painted the army to show that they support the tyranids
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boom boom boom posted:I don't understand why you're making such a distinction between the genestealer cult and the tyranids. if a bunch of Space Marines get genestealed, they're gonna be working for the Tyranids, via the genestealer cult. I'm sure there'd probably be plenty of second and third generation genestealers running around by the time the hivefleet proper shows up, but forge your fuckin' narative, say maybe some first generations are still around. Hey if you wanna make an infested space marine / genestealer army, by all means go ahead. (Bonus points if you use nurgle marine models or something) I'm actually thinking about putting together an unbound army that's Tyranids + Tallarn Desert Raiders for a Dune style Fremen & Sandworms army  Do what makes you happy!I just don't think they should be battle brothers in the official rules overall.  At risk of 7th edition bonus detachment fuckery, maybe a special detachment that requires you to have genestealers in it and allows you to take like 1-2 infantry from Imperium codexes would work alongside a Tyranid army and would be pretty fluffy. And detachments are free to have whatever faction rules, so GW could print that if they really wanted.
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If GW lost a bet and had to introduce a new non-Imperium army, would you want it to be Hrud (spaceSkaven) or Demiurg (notsquats)? (if GW won the bet they would've released the hot new Space Marine chapter, Dark Blood Angel Ravens) MrSlam fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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Are Hrud actually Space Skaven or is that fanon. I though they were weird xylaphone looking things in robes.
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SteelMentor posted:Are Hrud actually Space Skaven or is that fanon. I though they were weird xylaphone looking things in robes. They used to be space rats but then they got updated to melty men.
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krushgroove posted:Sounds like a good WHW trip! Today, pick up a few more copies of the Blood Oath book, I always pick up a few when I'm there, it's easy extra money. I ship quite a few to the US. I still need one of those =)
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Boon posted:Wait, are you anecdotally disputing me on this one? Look at the results across the board - Adepticon, LVO, and NOVA, and whatever else you want to look at. Adepticon: http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2016/04/07/tits-tournaments-adepticon-2016-top-16-lists/ 8 eldar, 4 imperium, 1 eldar/imperum, 1 of each bugs, crons, war convo, tau, demons Nova: http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/09/09/tits-tournaments-nova-open-2015-top-16-lists/ 3 eldar, 5 imperium, 3 demons, 1 of each bugs, crons, tau, demonkin LVO: http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2016/02/08/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2016-top-8-lists/ 4 eldar, 2 crons, 2 imperiums, 1 demon. Eldar are the most dominate by a mile. Tuxedo Jack posted:We're agreed. nope garbage players just paying to win
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I'm almost done painting a hellhound because i think they're cool and i want to play with one. Any DMV goons want to slam some hams this Sunday?
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Keep in mind that every time you see skitarii in the top of tournament rankings, there's an almost certain chance you're seeing a War Convocation.
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Master Twig posted:Keep in mind that every time you see skitarii in the top of tournament rankings, there's an almost certain chance you're seeing a War Convocation. I'm not good at keeping up with tournament stuff. What's the deal with the Martians?
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War Convocation is a massve formation you can run that combines a Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation (their basic formation), a Skitarii Battle Maniple (their take-one-of-each-unit formation) and a Knight. You take it and you get free upgrades on all your units (including the one per army relics) and your Plasma weapons lose gets hot. It's nasty.
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boom boom boom posted:if a bunch of Space Marines get genestealed... 
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Threw down today at Warhammer World and played against Zark the Damned and a second kind goon who's username escapes me. We played on a good looking table with a mission out of the new Space Marine book. It had my Ultramarines take the center in a traditional Space Marine Battle Pile while Zark's Rogue Trader Salamanders and the other goon's Praetorians surrounded them from almost all sides. I'll post pictures when I'm back but all that old school goodness on the table was a sight, and the game itself was bloody and closer than the points values at the end would lead you to believe. Also the girl at the Black Library counter upsold me on a few books, so at least I won't be wanting for reading material. And sorry thegodofchuck, I didn't see your message or krushgroove's til after I got back today. Oh, I also shoehorned my Ultras into a 30k list for a stupud huge Heresy game. Just reading the rules beforehand has me itching to build my Heresy Ultras, and seeing all the other awesome Heresy armies has got me pumped. As for my bank account, some day it may recover. Someday.
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The last large tournament (44 players) I was in had Tyranids at first place followed by Space Marines, Khorne Daemons, Eldar, White Scars, Tau, Space Wolves, Tau, Tyranids, and Dark Angels.
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I'm the kind goon with the Praetorians. The Battlepile is a really fun mission, would recommend at least that from Angels of Death. I've got a few pictures here, some highlights: Things looking kinda alright for me and Zark  The timely arrival of these guys did half my Infantry blob squad, though I managed to take them down to the Chaplain and four Assault Marines:  The Sternguard wrecked Zark's Command Squad:  The bikes here have just finished off the rest of my Infantry and decided to go tank-hunting  The last of our combined infantry attempting our own Battlepile. Two flamers managed to reduce me to one model, it came down to a coin-toss for whether or not the 4 Tacticals could charge - SRM rolled a 3 for distance and we couldn't figure out if that was enough. It did not end well for my lone Veteran.  Other gaming highlights - SRM's Whirlwind's main contribution to the battle was it killing his Assault Marine Sergeant, my attempt to damage the Centurions/Imperial Robots with 24 Prescience'd, FRFSRF rapid-firing lasguns actually killing one of the bastards. In summary, if you get a chance to ham with SRM, do it, it'll be an amazing game. Especially if it's the Battlepile.
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Remove allies table entirely and restrict allies to a specific model category all its own that is occupied by only a few units that have no clear army choice such as the Imperial Assassins. Make allies something that only comes up in team tournaments, but otherwise your army must remain pure. Alternatively, let everyone ally with anyone?
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An Angry Bug posted:7th Edition is an incomprehensible mess that rewards unhealthy buying habits in pursuit of profit at the expense of the company's long-term health. Alan Greenspan once described Wall St. banking & American capitalist business models this way as they led up to the 2008 collapse. Time to join the GW death pool 
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Uroboros posted:
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ToyotaThong posted:I'd be ecstatic if my Guard could ally with Blood Axes. I think I would give my firstborn to see Waaagh! Emprah.
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ToyotaThong posted:I'd be ecstatic if my Guard could ally with Blood Axes. What're those guys called from Warhammer Fantasy (or was it bloodbowl?) who were humans that would paint themselves green and dress up as Orks? Get some of 40k's version of those in your army (pretty much green ogryn though eh?)
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An Angry Bug posted:7th Edition is an incomprehensible mess that rewards unhealthy buying habits in pursuit of profit at the expense of the company's long-term health. I just became the proud owner of a Nightwing, Revenant, Phoenix, and 3 Hornets for less than the new Renegade Knight board game at the expense of missing out on buying a limited edition Space Marine and book that I was looking forward to buying so yeah. I mean, I went a bit over my 40k budget, but I couldn't say no to that deal.
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Zaphod42 posted:What're those guys called from Warhammer Fantasy (or was it bloodbowl?) who were humans that would paint themselves green and dress up as Orks? It was gorkamorka and they were called digganobz I think
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Hihohe posted:Id allow it but only if you had genestealers in your army and have painted the army to show that they support the tyranids You must be fun to play with! EDIT: What if my basing doesn't match the terrain we are playing on? Do I have to make new boards?
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Uroboros posted:Wasn't there a special unit of Katachan that did the same?
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Hihohe posted:Id allow it but only if you had genestealers in your army and have painted the army to show that they support the tyranids but genestealers are all about infiltration, and it's not like they need uniforms to tell each other apart from the enemy, they got the hivemind thing.
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I'd have to check my Dark Heresy books, but I'm pretty sure Marines aren't effected by the Stealer's kiss, they are to modified for it to take properly since half their organs are pretty much bioengineered implants.
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Business Gorillas posted:It was gorkamorka and they were called digganobz I think Ah, even better, gorkamorka is closer to 40k than bloodbowl. Yesssss 
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Uroboros posted:Wasn't there a special unit of Katachan that did the same? Yep! They're my Steel Legion's Veteran Squads. Armageddon Ork Hunters      
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Uroboros posted:I'd have to check my Dark Heresy books, but I'm pretty sure Marines aren't effected by the Stealer's kiss, they are to modified for it to take properly since half their organs are pretty much bioengineered implants. If I recall there's a couple specific instances where a Space Marine got infected and his geneseed went haywire, the rejection essentially killing him. Space Marines are ultimately such a small population of the galaxy that I don't think the Hive Mind ever bothers working out the specifics, consider Space Marines are sterile and thus useless for spawning new generations.
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I remember the old hive guard were originally made from assimilating Space Marine DNA, not sure if that is still the way, but I can see why it wouldn't show as odd to anyone that isn't versed in biology. Space Marines aren't created through genetic engineering but bioengineering much in the same way receiving an organ from a donor doesn't change your DNA. Essentially cloning a Space Marine would only yield a clone of the person the Space Marine was prior to his implants. Clearly someone understood this to some degree when writing the lore since Space Marines don't reproduce sexually.
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PierreTheMime posted:If I recall there's a couple specific instances where a Space Marine got infected and his geneseed went haywire, the rejection essentially killing him. Space Marines are ultimately such a small population of the galaxy that I don't think the Hive Mind ever bothers working out the specifics, consider Space Marines are sterile and thus useless for spawning new generations. Space Marine DNA is only good for basing Tyrant Guard off. 
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