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Insurrectionist posted:If it's not Siegward it better be Karla I was thinking of Yorshka specifically
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Harrow posted:Farron Greatsword. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUOIKfqkijY Oh yeah. Eh, I felt like it lacked AR next to the boring old sharp uchi. This patch maybe buffed it tho??
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FutonForensic posted:A weapon with guard break will make the shield knights manageable. The most effective method I've found for the 2-handers was die to them a bunch of times and learn their rhythm for parrying. :/ I knew I held on to the Arstor's Spear for a reason.
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Mimingless posted:Are you sure on the Lightning Spear thing? A friend of mine playing a Faith character said he noticed no difference in melee Lightning Spear as compared to ranged. It could have been part of that patch way back... Either way, he was dissatisfied with it until he found the first miracle boosting ring, I don't know why cleric doesn't start with it... But now that he has he's doing alright, and Tears of Denial being available way early helps too. It seems that it takes a while for miracle builds to get rolling offensively, especially if you put off cashing in the dark tomes, but it's strong on support. I'm pretty sure about the melee Lightning Spears thing, but it's possible that was a bug and it's been patched out. If so, I hope they're just strong now and not sucky at all ranges. Anyone running a Faith build right now who can test?
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loving christ i'm trying to be a watchdog of farron but most of the time people hide, run into the boss fight, or disconnect. I've had people disconnect AFTER I kill them and I don't get a reward because of it.
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Apr 19, 2016 21:18
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Minrad posted:spoilers for Yhorm and his area Pretty good catch. "Profaned Flame" and "cursed women" related to a "certain oracle" definitely sounds like the chaos flame and Witch's daughters to me, but "went on living without any cares" definitely doesn't evoke them since in Dark Souls off the top of my head there's a dead one, two that are mutated into monstrous spiders, one who's a mad hollow that attacks you on sight, and Quelana who has basically resigned herself to death in Blighttown and whose quest is about making amends for their sins by killing the Bed of Chaos. Actually, that raises a question: does anything in Dark Souls 2 suggest that Eleum Loyce was founded by or otherwise has some connection to the witches of chaos, aside from the presence of a chaos flame and the telltale roots? Maybe this all ties together.
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So Wolnir is just straight up the player character from Dark Souls II, huh? Flavor text on his crown says he killed all the old lords and forged their crowns into one, which sounds a hell of a lot like the DS2 DLC. Pretty neat. Also the area right after that boss is hands-down the prettiest thing I've ever seen in a Souls game. Maybe in any video game, to be honest. For once all those "gorgeous view" messages seem appropriate.
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The Siegward/Yhorm bromance sounds amazing and the DLC should be about that.
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I'm not having any luck beating the Dancer  any tips? phase 1 is super easy but phase 2 she just spins forever and I can never attack. and I die in two spins
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Caidin posted:Thinking about Aldrich's backstory here, local crestfallen dude says that Aldrich used to be a normal cleric who got into cannibalism until he got so incredibly fat he turned into a blob monster. Seems slightly odd but there is an actual explanation here, Human bodies in the souls series actually contain humanity as a tangible element(it's why the corpse eating rats DS1 can drop it.) so he's basically turned into a giant bloated mass of the stuff. The Deep seems like a different thing than the Abyss. It seems to be more strongly associated with the sea and insects than humanity, though it is certainly similar to the Abyss given the magic associated with it is hex-type stuff. The main reason I think it's different is that some item or other mentions that the Deep used to be a sacred place before being corrupted. Perhaps the Deep was born from the corruption of the Abyss, and it became its own thing. Zombies' Downfall posted:Pretty good catch. By oracle they're almost certainly referring to Alsanna who is the only person referred to as such in the previous games. Eleum Loyce has no ties to Izalith other than being situated on top of it, as far as I'm aware. Popular Human posted:So Wolnir is just straight up the player character from Dark Souls II, huh? Flavor text on his crown says he killed all the old lords and forged their crowns into one, which sounds a hell of a lot like the DS2 DLC. Pretty neat. Not really? I don't get why people make this interpretation. Wolnir was a king who conquered the lands adjacent to Carthus, a desert kingdom. The lords whose crowns he crushed were the lords of those lands.
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Popular Human posted:So Wolnir is just straight up the player character from Dark Souls II, huh? Flavor text on his crown says he killed all the old lords and forged their crowns into one, which sounds a hell of a lot like the DS2 DLC. Pretty neat. I don't think it's the same character, just someone who did something similar. Dark Souls is all about cycles.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Pretty good catch. If I recall correctly, Eleum Loyce was just founded by the Farram knight who would go on to become the Burnt Ivory King. Unfortunately, they chose to settle atop the Old Chaos/Bed of Chaos. Alsanna didn't even do anything bad like the others, the items imply the King figured out what she was and accepted her anyway, and after he went to fight the chaos she chose to seal it away until you step in. The only real connection is that they made a poor choice in choosing where to settle in and happened to be above it. quote:Not really? I don't get why people make this interpretation. Wolnir was a king who conquered the lands adjacent to Carthus, a desert kingdom. The lords whose crowns he crushed were the lords of those lands. Carthus is a desert kingdom and Drangleic was located next to one of those. The flame sorceresses come from there along with Benhart. It's probably not supposed to literally be the DS2 protagonist though. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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Wagrid posted:I beat him so quickly I didn't even notice there were discrete phases to the fight! I guess in hindsight yeah, he totally does gain a bunch of new moves about halfway through. . . which I also dodged really easily. I was about to get inappropriately angry at you, but I suddenly managed to beat him, and it was really easy. And I don't know know. Something just clicked, and he couldn't touch me. I was dodging his swings, blocking his charges, his kicks and shoulder bashes were miles away from me. I'm so confused now.
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Popular Human posted:So Wolnir is just straight up the player character from Dark Souls II, huh? Flavor text on his crown says he killed all the old lords and forged their crowns into one, which sounds a hell of a lot like the DS2 DLC. Pretty neat. Old Iron King and Sunken King were already dead by the time DS2's story happens, I think. Blue Smelter Demon even specifically says he killed the Old Iron King: "The Old Iron King's life was taken by a mass of iron that had been given a soul. Was this metal goliath there from the beginning, or was it a product of the king's conceit?" They aren't related.
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i'm having trouble with parry attacks in pvp. So I hit their weapon away with my shield using LT and then I hit RB and I get a critical but it only works half the time and the other half they just keep attacking me like I never parried them. wtf am I doing wrong. Am I supposed to tap RB or hold it or what.
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Genocyber posted:Not really? I don't get why people make this interpretation. Wolnir was a king who conquered the lands adjacent to Carthus, a desert kingdom. The lords whose crowns he crushed were the lords of those lands. Probably because I just beat SotFS in preparation for DS3, so the crown stuff was fresh on my mind. It was just kind of an "ohhh, cool!" moment, but I guess it could just be a coincidence? Kind of strange to use the same phrasing, though. edit: I've tried to do co-op at that boss three times now, and every single time the host runs straight at the fucker and gets eaten alive by the abyss cloud within the first 30 seconds. Goddamn people suck at this game. Popular Human fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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I wonder if the Deep isn't why there's a coastline at Drangleic since Eleum Loyce is part of Anor Londo, which is on a tree. Maybe it's Dark Souls' Global Warming. 
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I'm curious, I have about 48 dex with the Hunter's Ring and one of the Carthus rings (don't remember which, but one raises DEX) and I've been using a Sharp Estoc +10 all the way to the final boss. Should I revert the infusion? It doesn't seem to scale quite as nicely as I was hoping, and I figure maybe I should just raise STR.
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Daynab posted:I'm not having any luck beating the Dancer I ended up being less aggressive, the other fast bosses kinda conditioned me to be but this one paid off not doing so.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I was about to get inappropriately angry at you, but I suddenly managed to beat him, and it was really easy. This is the fight as I remember it. Rage at my smug posts drove you to greater glory? Popular Human posted:Also the area right after that boss is hands-down the prettiest thing I've ever seen in a Souls game. Maybe in any video game, to be honest. For once all those "gorgeous view" messages seem appropriate. My jaw literally dropped - I spent a good couple of minutes just gawping at it and hammering F12. Seeing it for the first time is such a good moment.
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So... the King, in the Archdragon peak. How do you deal with the attack in the first phase where he flies up and breathes fire straight down? It seems to have little wind up or warning and covers a huge area, plus you can't actually see where he is. Put on a dragoncrest shield and pray? Also, the wind wall attack both he and the dragon do- how do? Mazerunner fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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if I want to do a heavy weapons build can someone recommend a good early game & good late game item im fine with great maces or ultra greatswords, or heck, I guess regular greatswords something that scales with STR tho
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Mazerunner posted:So... the King, in the Archdragon peak. Get hit once then hammer the roll button once you get back up and you should survive it. That attack loving sucks and that was the best counter I could come up with.
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Your Computer posted:Apparently, the amount of Souls you get from enemies ramps up exponentially. Just a couple of farming runs in Irithyll and I have 50k Souls You probably already found it - but there's one back near the Lothric knights - the blue dude right before Vordt has one I think.
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Eonwe posted:if I want to do a heavy weapons build can someone recommend a good early game & good late game item claymore -> spiked mace -> black knight greataxe claymore's in the fire from the dragon spiked mace drops from evangelists as early as undead settlement black knight greataxe from one of the black knights in smouldering lake spiked mace has my favorite weapon skill in the game greataxe took a bit of time to get used to after the sweeps of spiked mace, but its damage output when upgraded is loving outrageous.
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There is a very large wind-up between it flying straight up in the air and actually breathing fire down on you, more than enough time for you to drop your lock-on and run away. Just sprint, as soon as you see it start hovering ominously in the air, you will make it. 
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Popular Human posted:Probably because I just beat SotFS in preparation for DS3, so the crown stuff was fresh on my mind. It was just kind of an "ohhh, cool!" moment, but I guess it could just be a coincidence? Kind of strange to use the same phrasing, though. I mean, if you just looked at the crown description I could see it, but it seems weird that the Dark Souls 2 protag would just go off and become a random conqueror of lands, y'know? Given that Carthus is a desert kingdom and so presumably far from Drangleic. Mazerunner posted:So... the King, in the Archdragon peak. Just run away. If you do it when he starts to do the move you have plenty of time to get out of its range.
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Merauder posted:For anyone that's interested: 0/10 no cliff edge miniboss named "Gravity"
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Minrad posted:spoilers for Yhorm and his area irylith is defo eleum loyce/built on it Eonwe posted:if I want to do a heavy weapons build can someone recommend a good early game & good late game item earlygame: zweihander late game: black knight great axe
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Wagrid posted:This is the fight as I remember it. It must be that. Weirdly unsatisfying.
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Minrad posted:claymore -> spiked mace -> black knight greataxe than you
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voltcatfish posted:Why does it show me every status effect bar really quickly every time I load or zone a bonfire? Gotta be a bug. Mine's been doing this since I equipped the Fleshbite Ring. I think adding the Thunderstone added another status effect bar so I have 1 and then 4 count down. And I removed that ring long, long ago, but it's been doing that ever since even after the patch.
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Maybe it's just a matter of getting gud, but I feel like a lot of weapons just aren't viable in this game In DS2 I had no problem doing whatever gimmick build I could come up with (be that daggers, swords, maces or all sorts of weird hybrids), but in this game there are so many enemies that I can't deal with without certain moves/shields/ranged attacks. For example, Daggers (and a lot of other non-Straight Sword weapons) deal terrible damage and have no way of dealing with a lot of the situations the game throws at you. Same with Thrusting Swords, and to a lesser extent Curved Swords. It's like the game expects you to either be able to block, guard break or stunlock and tailors encounters around that design. The AI is a lot better and I think it worked well for Bloodborne since you could regain your health, but I feel like the improved AI instead narrows your options in this game. Andrigaar posted:Gotta be a bug. It's not a bug, it's just a quirk of how the game engine handles resistances. Pay it no mind.
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I don't think Wolnir is specifically who people say he is, but I think the nod to DS2 is clear in his description. So many of the bosses and events in this game seem to be a "well, this is how it COULD have happened". Like Albrecht There's no reason to suggest that Gwyndolin was alive when Albrecht found him, since I definitely always take the time to murder his twink rear end to death. That said, it makes perfect sense also that upon his "defeat" Gwyndolin, being a God, doesn't just up and die; maybe he magics away, or is reduced to soul energy, and over the years slowly nurses his wound, or exists in a transient state, until Albrecht comes and finds his corpse or barely living body and starts chowing down. Much more mysterious is how Alby got Nito's weapon. Who did he eat? Nito's just bones and...bones...
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So, now due to Dark Souls III actually being difficult like the first Dark Souls, can we disparage the myth of Dark Souls II not being easier than Dark Souls as its excuse was "the game didn't get any easier you just got better".
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Harrow posted:The slowest of slow starts. Gologle posted:Lacking until endgame, where they proceed to kick absolute tons of rear end. That's from a damage perspective, by the way. From an overall standpoint, taking into account healing and the utility miracles, it's a good build starting around midgame. Don't start as a Herald, start as either a Knight, Pyromancer, or hell, maybe even a Cleric. Herald isn't a good start. Thanks for the tips. My plan was, indeed, to start off as a knight or somesuch, specifically using polearms. Maybe a little dex heavy? In any case I'm not put off at all that it's more of a mid to late game transition. I can start off going dex, using spears and such and then move on once the game progresses.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Much more mysterious is how Alby got Nito's weapon. Who did he eat? Nito's just bones and...bones... I don't suppose there's a chance that the Gravelord Greatsword is anywhere in this game to be used? That was my main weapon on my first character in DS1. quote:So, now due to Dark Souls III actually being difficult like the first Dark Souls, can we disparage the myth of Dark Souls II not being easier than Dark Souls as its excuse was "the game didn't get any easier you just got better". DS3's pretty easy so far though. BB was way harder.
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Merauder posted:For anyone that's interested: quote:"Combat is both fast and deadly. Dark Souls™ - The Board Game rewards clever players and punishes ‘button mashing’. Players must learn enemy behaviors in order to fight more effectively, with classic fighting game style combat windows. " The gently caress do you mean "learn enemy behaviors", it's a board game edit: wow the retailer-exclusive versions that come with content exclusive to that reward tier that aren't purchasable alone is really scummy CJacobs fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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CJacobs posted:The gently caress do you mean "learn enemy behaviors", it's a board game A lot of these games have "AI" in that their cards tell you where to move their pieces and what actions they take on that turn.
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