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AnonSpore posted:Those aren't mutually exclusive. Raw just means without normals that combo into it. I wouldn't call an anti air shoryuken raw. If you're punishing a whiff, I wouldn't call that raw, either, as you're in a more or less guaranteed situation.
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Yorkshire Tea posted:The reason I'm talking about this is because Cr. MP in that particular scenario gets rid of timing issues. Since you're +19 after a backthrow and dash forward is 17 frames you're on +2 going in. Since Cr. MP has a 5 frame startup you'll stuff any 3f jabs that come out where St. MP is vulnerable to them since it has a 6f startup. That's not a true meaty situation then, there's no way to get extra advantage unless you time the active frames to hit as they wake up. cr.mp will still give a counterhit if they press a button and can link into itself then, but if they just block or take the normal hit yeah I don't think there's anything special you can do. That's honestly good enough if you've got jab happy dudes, and you can always go back to st.mp for better block advantage if you know they have a 4f jab. edit you've probably seen this but dandyj made a vid a while back about that exact backthrow situation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIPs7pLn6fc&t=160s Ixiggle fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Apr 22, 2016 |
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Speaking of meaties - what are some actual good options to catch an opponent with on wakeup when I'm playing as Vega? Right now I really don't have a ton other than his overhead medium kick or his spinning blade from deceptively far away.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Speaking of meaties - what are some actual good options to catch an opponent with on wakeup when I'm playing as Vega? Right now I really don't have a ton other than his overhead medium kick or his spinning blade from deceptively far away. cr.mk or st.mk is pretty good, you can also combo from those. Also there are a ton of meaty setups you can do after a knockdown. Like, the two I found earlier today are after an EX.Roll you can either dash forward - whiff st.lk - st.hp or dash forward x2 - cr.mk (I hope I remembered those right). Setups like that are great for when your opponent loves to mash jabs on wakeup. EDIT: Speaking of st.hp. If you can catch them pressing a button with a clawless st.hp you can do the coolest Vega combo. CH (clawless) st.hp - stance switch - (claw) st.hp - stance switch - cr.mp - EX.Roll or EX.FBA or CA. Jack Trades fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Apr 23, 2016 |
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Jack Trades posted:cr.mk or st.mk is pretty good, you can also combo from those. Also there are a ton of meaty setups you can do after a knockdown. how are you getting that to work?
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Spiritus Nox posted:Possibly my favorite thing to do against bad players is to get a hard knockdown, FBA into Izuna Drop right as they get up to get another knock down, keep doing it. I'm pretty sure I've taken people down at least half their health just Izuna Dropping them on wakeup over and over. Isn't worth poo poo against anyone who knows how to fight Vega, but highly entertaining against those that don't. I just did that against some Alex. It was a perfect round and then the other player rage quit disconnected. You cannot know how self satisfied I feel at the moment due to that.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:so no capcom pro talk this week? miek ross and floe got locked out of the studio and couldn't do it because nobody told the crew to show up
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A.o.D. posted:how are you getting that to work? I'm not. I think I mixed that up with something else when I wrote that. The real combo is: CH (clawless) st.hp - stance switch - (claw) st.hp - stance switch - cr.mp - EX.Roll or EX.FBA or CA.
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Real hurthling! posted:miek ross and floe got locked out of the studio and couldn't do it because nobody told the crew to show up yeah i saw that, was hoping they'd get it in the next day guess PAX took that time up though, Miek said they're doing it next week
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4hPF51ZXRA&t=327s I'm not a NuckleDu fan but drat, seeing Marn getting the taste of his own medicine is hella satisfying.
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Jack Trades posted:I'm not. I think I mixed that up with something else when I wrote that. Yeah, that works. If you're trying to get a target combo from stance switch, you have to start with CH st. HP > switch > cr. mk>target combo> EX FBA or V skill or CA or Vtrigger>CA If you're concerned about distance, you can omit the cr. mk and go straight into target combo.
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A.o.D. posted:I wouldn't call an anti air shoryuken raw. If you're punishing a whiff, I wouldn't call that raw, either, as you're in a more or less guaranteed situation. It's really hard to give players trying to learn a hard and fast set rule for what to do/ what to never do I feel like its much better advice to say, don't do poo poo that can be easily punished multiple times when it's clear that the person knows whats going on. than never do x thing. Because it'd be a pretty semantic at best argument as to figuring out say when a shoto threw out something as a 'read' or as something to toss out there because 'hey it beats other stuff I guess so I'll try it here, or whether you're testing what you can get away with because you aren't playing for money.
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SectumSempra posted:It's really hard to give players trying to learn a hard and fast set rule for what to do/ what to never do Stop jumping. Spiritus Nox posted:Possibly my favorite thing to do against bad players is to get a hard knockdown, FBA into Izuna Drop right as they get up to get another knock down, keep doing it. I'm pretty sure I've taken people down at least half their health just Izuna Dropping them on wakeup over and over. Isn't worth poo poo against anyone who knows how to fight Vega, but highly entertaining against those that don't. You'd like this little game called Super Turbo.
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Dias posted:Stop jumping. stop jumping is very different from never use x attack. but i agree stop jumping also start blocking
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Dias posted:You'd like this little game called Super Turbo. 
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the fundamentals of get hosed I'm vega
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Dias posted:the fundamentals of get hosed I'm vega yessssssssssssssss
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claw is an honorable and fair fighter in Super Street Fighter II X: Grand Master Challenge
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Jack Trades posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4hPF51ZXRA&t=327s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJtzA8deLcI
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I bought a TE2+ and SFV got 500 times more fun A+ would buy again. Plus I can play MAME shmups and Neo Geo games better.
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Voodoo posted:This will forever not be my favorite Marn video: Same but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9caTktglhUI
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Luigi Thirty posted:I bought a TE2+ and SFV got 500 times more fun A+ would buy again. Plus I can play MAME shmups and Neo Geo games better. yeah sticks are cool as loving hell
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speaking of, i got gift cards to gamestop and i grabbed one of the madcatz alpha pads or w/e it's great except the stick and pad are poo poo don't waste cash on it, grab the fc4 instead
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:speaking of, i got gift cards to gamestop and i grabbed one of the madcatz alpha pads or w/e was it common ground? I was thinking of making a new ps4 stick soon.
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MrJacobs posted:was it common ground? I was thinking of making a new ps4 stick soon. idk i didnt open it in case i was gonna return it. played with it for two weeks, went back to the fc4, never looked back also im sorry it was the fightpad pro, not the alpha. this one:  the button layout is great, the triggers feel really nice but the d-pad and stick suck hard re: mod- i do know the alpha has all the buttons soldered in which is pretty loving horrid if you want to use it for mods.
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also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_okABO3zY
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If a half-bad game only ships half the content, is it technically only a quarter-bad game? Deep thoughts.
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you gotta make a hard read on that deep thought
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xian is really funny on excellent adventures this week.
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http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/...arge-instantly/ Check out these rejected V-Skill ideas, they're pretty dope.
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I did it I'm officially MLG that was the only ranked victory i had all day
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Dias posted:http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/...arge-instantly/ The Vega thing would be amazing
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Zombies' Downfall posted:The Vega thing would be amazing ly bad
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Dias posted:http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/...arge-instantly/ So would Zangief be top-tier with that potential skill? Just turn a block into an insta-grab?
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bhsman posted:So would Zangief be top-tier with that potential skill? Just turn a block into an insta-grab? You're giving a grappler the ability to convert a block into a grab, at will, with no resource cost. What do you think? It could've worked as his V-trigger if they'd found a way of communicating what was happening clearly enough.
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Nash air dash would be better than green hand
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bhsman posted:So would Zangief be top-tier with that potential skill? Just turn a block into an insta-grab? Let me play this scenario out for you "Alright I blocked Gief's half-screen punch." "Wait, why am I in the air?" "Okay he got me that time, I'll just jump next time he does it, wait is that a jab?" rinse and repeat ad nauseum. Gief becomes banned a year later after Snake_Eyez and Infiltration win every tournament with him
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Lemon-Lime posted:You're giving a grappler the ability to convert a block into a grab, at will, with no resource cost. What do you think? Baal posted:Let me play this scenario out for you I'll take that as a yes.  Nostalgia4Butts posted:vegas rejected one sounds dope It does, though I like his current V-Trigger.
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