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Wait why are they nerfing the Deagles? the whole point is that they have a poo poo-ton of power and accuracy, but not a lot of ammo
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They're hilariously self-sustaining and far too effective relative to alternatives, even without supporting skills.
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Apr 23, 2016 16:04
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Overkill hates fun, that's why.
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Apr 23, 2016 16:19
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Skunkrocker posted:Overkill hates fun, that's why. That's why they made one of the least fun PvE shooters in years.
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Apr 23, 2016 16:33
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watho posted:That's why they made one of the least fun PvE shooters in years. No but you see nerfing is intrinsically and morally bad compared to buffing because
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Apr 23, 2016 16:36
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BillmasterCozb posted:Wait why are they nerfing the Deagles? the whole point is that they have a poo poo-ton of power and accuracy, but not a lot of ammo They have tons of ammo relative to how fast they can kill things and pick up more ammo than they use up.
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Apr 23, 2016 16:51
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oohhboy posted:Christ 90 minutes for Cook off 25 bags. It was alot more fun than Euro Bag simulator, but I am not doing that again. Ran with the KSP/M249 SAW which gives you near infinite ammo. Ran some numbers, figuring I fired somewhere between 60,000 to 96,000 rounds with 1214 kills out of 2708. It took us 77. Is there really that much variance in how often you can cook?
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Apr 23, 2016 16:52
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UnknownMercenary posted:They have tons of ammo relative to how fast they can kill things and pick up more ammo than they use up. That makes sense, I wonder if they'll touch the new deagles
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Apr 23, 2016 16:53
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Overkill has made its fair share of bad decisions, they don't need to take a leaf from tripwire and nerf fun instead of making more options fun.Psion posted:It took us 77. Is there really that much variance in how often you can cook? Cook off seems to have really brisk or slow meth gestation that changes pace over time, it's a weird rhythm or rather a lack of. Delacroix fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Apr 23, 2016 |
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Apr 23, 2016 16:55
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Every option is fun. People just feel a need to minmax still so almost everybody runs some form of M308 or Deagle variant. It's no different from before with almost everyone using either a CAR4 or Loco.
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Apr 23, 2016 16:58
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UnknownMercenary posted:Every option is fun. People just feel a need to minmax still so almost everybody runs some form of M308 or Deagle variant. It's no different from before with almost everyone using either a CAR4 or Loco. The problem is that due to the gap between DW and the rest of the game, the dev's policy of fun isn't great for encouraging gun diversity when there is a giant neon sign saying how great 160 damage is. You can hardly blame pubbies taking the path of least resistance (which happens everywhere all the time). If OK and DW enemies hit harder, had gensec spawn on lower difficulties and maybe something from the vox dehydrated feverdream manuscript in lieu of an arbitrary health increase, it wouldn't be necessary to hit the higher damage thresholds. Basically anything over making enemies bullet sponges for the majority of weapons, some of which can't reliably land headshots at a distance thanks to the shakeup.
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Apr 23, 2016 17:17
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Psion posted:It took us 77. Is there really that much variance in how often you can cook? Yes, there is time deliberately wasted when Bain refuses to list ingredients over Twitch or the Pilot babbling other inane poo poo. The same problem with all Bain related cooking.
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Apr 23, 2016 17:27
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Somehow we all survived when the builds of choice were all various flavors of 42 damage.
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Apr 23, 2016 17:38
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Dr Cheeto posted:Somehow we all survived when the builds of choice were all various flavors of 42 damage. Yeah, the idea that you somehow need 160 is, uh, no
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Apr 23, 2016 17:41
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UnknownMercenary posted:People just feel a need to minmax still so almost everybody runs some form of M308 or Deagle variant. ...I never see anyone run that. When you say almost everybody are you talking about pubbies?
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Apr 23, 2016 17:41
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Since people still haven't realized this despite it being true for a while now. ehem...  PRETTY MUCH ALL WEAPONS ARE CURRENTLY DW VIABLE AS LONG AS YOU KNOW HOW TO USE THEM PROPERLY
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Apr 23, 2016 17:44
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Dr Cheeto posted:Somehow we all survived when the builds of choice were all various flavors of 42 damage. DW wasn't particularly fun before either when people used a select group of 42 damage near perfect accuracy guns while anything goes on OK, almost like the design flaw on DW remained a constant.
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Apr 23, 2016 17:49
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watho posted:
I will continue to maintain that this is a lie just because I want to be argumentative and elitist about my cop clicking. 
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Delacroix posted:DW wasn't particularly fun before either when people used a select group of 42 damage near perfect accuracy guns while anything goes on OK, almost like the design flaw on DW remained a constant. It didn't though…
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Apr 23, 2016 17:52
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The overwhelming majority of guns hit 80 accuracy very easily, and the guns that don't are generally hilarious bullet hoses that still manage to hit 39.9 damage, and they're all good on deathwish. Perfect accuracy is in no way necessary to performing well and having fun.
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Apr 23, 2016 18:06
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The worst part about the rebalance is it made the Western Pack utter poo poo and they were my favorite guns beforehand 
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Apr 23, 2016 18:49
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Fwiw (nothing) the most common console loadout for loud I run across is AK, para, kitchen knife, ammo. E: I run JP, Mac 10 almost at all times
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Apr 23, 2016 19:23
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Psion posted:It took us 77. Is there really that much variance in how often you can cook? Took about 90 minutes on Deathwish. The first attempt (before the game crashed) took even longer because we accidentally put in two muriatic acids at the same time for one cook, so we'd have to wait on Bile to drop ingredients before we could finish bags. Skunkrocker posted:...I never see anyone run that. When you say almost everybody are you talking about pubbies? I see it pretty often with goon groups too, not just pubs. Maybe not everybody will bring the M308 or some form of Deagle, but let's not act like it's a rare occurrence. Skunkrocker posted:I will continue to maintain that this is a lie just because I want to be argumentative and elitist about my cop clicking. You can only play in my lobbies when you've done 40 bags train heist on loud Deathwish. Otherwise  Prokhor Zakharov posted:The worst part about the rebalance is it made the Western Pack utter poo poo and they were my favorite guns beforehand Not really? The Repeater seems about the same. It was always just shy of a Deathwish breakpoint beforehand, so the damage nerf really didn't do anything. The Peacemaker eventually got its accuracy multipliers fixed so it no longer has that idiotic shotgun spread, and it got a massive buff in damage and ammo count; really it's just a ~style points~ sidegrade because the other revolvers do similar damage numbers. Dynamite and the Plainsrider remain unchanged. I'd hardly call that "utter poo poo".
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Apr 23, 2016 20:47
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Peacemaker is a significant downgrade from the Bronco and Mateba in terms of reload speed, however.
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Apr 23, 2016 21:12
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At this point, I've used almost every weapon/build on DW, and they're all basically viable, provided you don't need to lean on your weapon stats. If you do, that's an issue with you, not the gun.
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Apr 23, 2016 21:58
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So sometime between me first playing the payday 2 demo in september, and 2 days ago the mark - 10 became an actual fun gun to use. Something about 100 stability that makes it and the micro uzi little death hoses. Debating buying hotline miami 2 just for jacket and jacket's piece.
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Talkc posted:So sometime between me first playing the payday 2 demo in september, and 2 days ago the mark - 10 became an actual fun gun to use. Something about 100 stability that makes it and the micro uzi little death hoses. It's worth it just to hear "ARMS OUTSTRETCHED" 24/7 as a cop dommer
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Apr 23, 2016 23:20
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If you like the mark 10 and micro uzi you should give the CMP a gander. It's my personal favorite. Just don't use the LED combo on it. For some godawful reason the drat thing puts the gadget on the left side of the gun.
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i finally got a graphics card from this decade and holy poo poo is this like a different game. I was at 19FPS on lowest settings before, up to 70+ on highest and I can actually click cops now. What are some cool and fun guns to use cause i've only been using high damage single shot guns because hitting second shots was hard 
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Apr 23, 2016 23:24
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every gun is fun, try em all!
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Slide McGriffin posted:i finally got a graphics card from this decade and holy poo poo is this like a different game. I was at 19FPS on lowest settings before, up to 70+ on highest and I can actually click cops now. every gun is fun except for the Chimano 88
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The Patchett is pretty not-fun. Neither is the single Compact 5. Akimbo Compact 5s are pretty amazing though.
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Talkc posted:So sometime between me first playing the payday 2 demo in september, and 2 days ago the mark - 10 became an actual fun gun to use. Something about 100 stability that makes it and the micro uzi little death hoses. the mac 10 is amazing and makes me feel like a miami vice villain related: anyone got a retexture mod layin' around that gives someone a white suit? I wanna complete my ultimate 80s crime cosplay
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Slide McGriffin posted:i finally got a graphics card from this decade and holy poo poo is this like a different game. I was at 19FPS on lowest settings before, up to 70+ on highest and I can actually click cops now. My personal faves: ( though many require DLC ) Minigun Flamethrower A bow with explosive ammunition The Judge ( Be Sure to put every mod you can on it ) Any Assault Rifle with a DMR kit The Repeater Sniper Rifle Any Grenade Launcher Any LMG with a bipod Micro Uzi or Mark 10 modded for stability Joke Answer: Saws from the enforcer tree
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Apr 24, 2016 00:51
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Sometimes I wish cops would have random, variable health.
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M.Ciaster posted:the mac 10 is amazing and makes me feel like a miami vice villain Dug around last bullet, found this: http://forums.lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=14765 I kinda like how it looks for Houston and Jiro, actually, but not so much for the others.
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Mendrian posted:Sometimes I wish cops would have random, variable health. What could this possibly accomplish?
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Apr 24, 2016 01:22
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Less obsession with breakpoints. I don't think it's worth the cost.
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Mendrian posted:Sometimes I wish cops would have random, variable health. Tans Hit Dice: 6d8 No. appearing: 15-22 Treasure Type: L
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UnknownMercenary posted:The Patchett is pretty not-fun. Neither is the single Compact 5. Akimbo Compact 5s are pretty amazing though. The Car 4 is anti-fun.
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