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A Buttery Pastry posted:Are you telling me a person in favor of the UK leaving decided not to use Switzerland and Norway as examples, and instead went for a bunch of post-Communist countries? Yes. quote:Britain will move outside the EU’s single market and instead join “Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and Ukraine” in a European free-trade zone if voters choose Brexit in June’s referendum, according to a vision outlined on Tuesday by Michael Gove. (I'd already forgotten about this until LemonDrizzle reminded me - too much craziness from Vote Leave to remember)
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 16:35 |
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Austrians, 2016: please stop calling it the Austrian School we don't want to be associated with these slobbering morons.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 16:37 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:You're saying that Luxemburg's prosecution of the whistleblowers is in line with the EU trade secrets directive, which has been passed to grant firms stronger protection against industrial espionage and has been criticised for failing to grant sufficient protection to whistleblowers, and which was broadly approved by the EU Council which includes Germany. Pluskut Tukker posted:But then again, Germany in turn doesn't really want to protect against espionage but helped pass the directive anyway to benefit Boeing, even though Germany effectively owns 11% of the shares in Airbus. I'm really confused now. You missed it?
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 16:37 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Yes.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 16:46 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Yes, "prosecution of whistleblowers" is consistent with "failing to protect whistleblowers", I'm glad you realized that denying defense is a sort of offense. The point is that approving stronger protections for trade secrets, with the stated goal of defending against industrial espionage, is not on its face reconcilable with conducting industrial espionage. Also, governments are not unitary actors in all contexts. Finally, the whole trade secrets directive clearly wasn't necessary for the Luxemburgians to be able to go after whistleblowers; Luxemburg being a financial centre ensured that that would happen anyway, just like Switzerland went after Hervé Falciani. (edit: to be clear, I'm all for the abolition of Luxemburg, seeing as its very creation was a historical accident that could be rectified in very short order ).
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Are you telling me a person in favor of the UK leaving decided not to use Switzerland and Norway as examples, and instead went for a bunch of post-Communist countries? It's kinda problematic for them to cite those countries, because they also had to agree to free movement of labour, which is one of the core issues for the leave campaign. But just last week the mayor of London and key figure in the leave campaign claimed that Obama spoke out against a Brexit, because of his Kenyan heritage which makes him hate the British Empire.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 16:54 |
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GaussianCopula posted:It's kinda problematic for them to cite those countries, because they also had to agree to free movement of labour, which is one of the core issues for the leave campaign. But just last week the mayor of London and key figure in the leave campaign claimed that Obama spoke out against a Brexit, because of his Kenyan heritage which makes him hate the British Empire. That sounds hilarious. Source?
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 17:02 |
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Plucky Brit posted:That sounds hilarious. Source? quote:Boris Johnson has criticised the US president Barack Obama and suggested his attitude to Britain might be based on his “part-Kenyan” heritage and “ancestral dislike of the British empire”.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 17:04 |
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GaussianCopula posted:It's kinda problematic for them to cite those countries, because they also had to agree to free movement of labour, which is one of the core issues for the leave campaign. But just last week the mayor of London and key figure in the leave campaign claimed that Obama spoke out against a Brexit, because of his Kenyan heritage which makes him hate the British Empire. Pluskut Tukker posted:(edit: to be clear, I'm all for the abolition of Luxemburg, seeing as its very creation was a historical accident that could be rectified in very short order ).
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 17:05 |
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Rappaport posted:Hasn't the carrying theme of everything the EU has done at least since the crash of '08 been that the rules don't matter a whit, we just have to keep The Project going no matter the cost or insanity involved? If the insane mandarins who run the show want Turkey in, they'll get in, screw everything and everyone else. And what the mandarins want is of course utterly opaque to the average fellow on the street, so Not exactly. The carrying theme has been "gently caress the working class, however we can get away with it". So yeah, the project HAS to go on at whatever cost, but let's not be vague about what the project is. The rest of what you say is true though.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 17:08 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:
Do you prefer to give it back to the Netherlands or would you rather split it between Germany and France?
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 17:15 |
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Riso posted:Do you prefer to give it back to the Netherlands or would you rather split it between Germany and France? Why not give it to Belgium? Then they can deal with the impossible dialect they speak there. Plus the reason why Luxemburg became a separate country and not a part of Belgium (the need for the Prussians to garrison its citadel against the French) is not really relevant anymore. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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dutch metro journalist ebru umar arrested in turkey #####fuckerdogan :P
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 18:22 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Why not give it to Belgium? Because the next step is splitting Belgium into one half for France and the other for the Netherlands.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 18:38 |
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Hammerstein posted:Also there is one major difference between the likes of Geert Wilders or Le Pen and Norbert Hofer. The former are your typical Far-Right extremists, but the latter and his cronies also are hardcore nationalists, with close contacts to the European neo-nazi scene (like the German NPD) and the majority of the Freedom Party's inner circle are members of German-nationalist student fraternities, some even holding on to traditions like fencing (to first blood). There are some serious nutjobs among them with a giant hard-on for a Greater Germany. There's a rumour that LSNS, Slovak neo-nazi party, that entered national parliament last month, got help in their election campaign from FPÖ. Don't quote me on this though, I heard it from a friend who is a journalist.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 21:46 |
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Bojo is still mayor? Dang.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 21:55 |
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Brexit campaigners continue to be the best Remain campaigners. Thank you racist tories, I was worried for a second there I might have to leave the UK. Alas, prosperous Serbia will have to wait.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 16:26 |
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Pochoclo posted:Brexit campaigners continue to be the best Remain campaigners. Thank you racist tories, I was worried for a second there I might have to leave the UK. Alas, prosperous Serbia will have to wait. At the same time Obama seems to be the best unintentional Brexit campaigner. Americans just can't help themselves. They have to intervene in everyone elses business.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 16:40 |
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Riso posted:At the same time Obama seems to be the best unintentional Brexit campaigner. Obama's intervention led to a +10 percentage point boon for the Remain campaign.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 16:47 |
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I doubt Obama's intervention was unintentional. Cameron probably ASKED for him to say something helpful on it, and the line taken was no doubt agreed well in advance.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 16:49 |
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Tesseraction posted:Obama's intervention led to a +10 percentage point boon for the Remain campaign. Interesting! Not doubting you but do you have a source for that, I wouldn't mind reading it.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 16:51 |
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Pesmerga posted:Interesting! Not doubting you but do you have a source for that, I wouldn't mind reading it. Well, there's no sourcing that kind of affirmation, but the "poll of polls" site shows a marked upward hike that came just after Obama's speech. Correlation doesn't imply causation, obviously, but I'd say it's highly likely that it helped. The only kind of people that Obama's statement would turn towards a Leave vote, would be die-hard Brexit ideologists, so no harm done there.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 17:14 |
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So the Daily Fail is reporting that the evil
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Pesmerga posted:Interesting! Not doubting you but do you have a source for that, I wouldn't mind reading it. Obama has something like 95% approval rating in the "undecided" demographic and his intervention prompted Boris Johnson to make a even bigger fool of himself than usual.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 17:38 |
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Tesseraction posted:Obama's intervention led to a +10 percentage point boon for the Remain campaign.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 18:13 |
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Tesseraction posted:Obama's intervention led to a +10 percentage point boon for the Remain campaign. Then explain http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll-idUKKCN0XN0PV quote:Support for the campaign to get Britain out of the European Union has risen in recent days, two opinion polls showed on Tuesday, suggesting U.S. President Barack Obama's call for the UK to stay in the bloc had not yet had the impact he wanted.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 18:18 |
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I think Merkel should offer the Scots her support in them simply getting the UK's spot in the EU, should the UK leave and they go independent.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 18:43 |
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That's actually really easy to explain: poll cherry-picking. You should check this: https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/ It's takes into account all polls. The one from the article is there, even. Also, again, the people who heard Obama and went all "EVIL AMERICANS I HATE OBAMA" already intended to vote Leave. No change was had there. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Apr 27, 2016 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I think Merkel should offer the Scots her support in them simply getting the UK's spot in the EU, should the UK leave and they go independent. France and Spain would do everything they could to shut her up if she tried to propose that.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 23:04 |
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Cat Mattress posted:France and Spain would do everything they could to shut her up if she tried to propose that. That's okay. Brittany and Catalonia can have theirs.
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# ? Apr 27, 2016 23:30 |
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What the gently caress Belgium, entry #34534587 in a never-ending series: http://www.lalibre.be/economie/actualite/toute-la-belgique-va-recevoir-de-l-iode-57211c1735702a22d6d187adquote:Ce ne sont plus seulement les proches habitants des centrales nucléaires qui recevront des pilules d’iode à titre préventif, mais bien toute la population vivant sur le territoire belge. C’est ce que la ministre fédérale de la Santé publique, Maggie De Block (Open VLD), a expliqué au Parlement ce mercredi (en commission Santé publique de la Chambre). Pour rappel, ces pastilles d’iode permettent de protéger la thyroïde face à la radioactivité.
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# ? Apr 28, 2016 13:20 |
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Simple. It's an online poll. If online polls were accurate then Scotland would currently be an independent republic. Looking at the poll of polls by the Financial Times you'll see if anything a jump around Obama's intervention. I'll admit it wasn't 10pp, but I was more saying it as hyperbole to your hyperbole.
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# ? Apr 28, 2016 14:37 |
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Austria passes a bunch of new laws and measures to curb migrant numbers :\ I guess it was a foregone conclusion that EU countries between Sweden/Germany and Italy/Greece take matters to their own hands (in a rather heavy handed manner to be precise), depending, what is in doubt is when they will do that. Also lol @ pissed Italy. Counting the days before Austria's foreign reputation nose dives until destroyed permanently, then land slides, freak storms and finally plagues of locusts hit before Austria vanishes down a black hole... wait, not. Ligur fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:What the gently caress Belgium, entry #34534587 in a never-ending series: http://www.lalibre.be/economie/actualite/toute-la-belgique-va-recevoir-de-l-iode-57211c1735702a22d6d187ad Switzerland already does this. Don't know since when though.
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bronin posted:Switzerland already does this. Don't know since when though. Its pretty normal actually, you can request Iodine pills in the US if your home is near a reactor, but its largely to address unwarranted fears.
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LemonDrizzle posted:What the gently caress Belgium, entry #34534587 in a never-ending series: http://www.lalibre.be/economie/actualite/toute-la-belgique-va-recevoir-de-l-iode-57211c1735702a22d6d187ad Why is that so strange? In the Netherlands municipalities in the part of the country with nuclear power plants (or next to Belgium) also keep iodine pills on hand in case of a nuclear disaster. It's no anti rad but it does prevent thyroid cancer from nuclear contamination.
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Yeah this isn't anything special. OTOH Belgium's nuclear reactors are obsolete and should be shut down and replaced. Odds of that ever happening are at flying pigs levels though because nuclear is unpopular and our politicians are experts in pass the buck policies and completely lack any long-term planning capability. Nothing will change unless externalities force the issue (germany/france/... pushes the issue or something bad happens at the plants)
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# ? Apr 28, 2016 18:48 |
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Our home got government issued iodine at least ten years ago and we're in Ireland so....
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# ? Apr 28, 2016 22:32 |
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CommieGIR posted:Its pretty normal actually, you can request Iodine pills in the US if your home is near a reactor, but its largely to address unwarranted fears. People on the east coast of Ireland all got issued Iodine pills when there was a lot of upset about Sellafield in North England. We still have ours, I'm hoping they will do fine for the nuclear holocaust even with the 2006 best before date. edit: actually it was for 9/11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sellafield#/media/File:Potassium_iodate_tablets.jpg
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Paul Mason wants Austria's EU membership suspended if the far-right candidate wins the presidency: http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...country-from-euquote:On 22 May, Austria faces a presidential run-off, where the choice is between the leader of the far-right Freedom party and a Green standing as an independent. In the first round, the combined votes of the two main parties that govern Austria – the socialists and the conservatives – would still have had them running third. The far-right won in every region except Vienna, and, even then, won half of the Austrian capital’s sub-districts.
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