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Lemon-Lime posted:The position of your strong attack in the attack chain: http://koei.wikia.com/wiki/Charge_Attacks Right. At what point/level of difficulty does such strategy become crucial? I'll admit I'm just working my way through normal difficulty and having a blast more or less smashing buttons and letting the acrobatics get the best of me without any thought of "good" move sets. And that's working just fine.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Right. At what point/level of difficulty does such strategy become crucial? I'll admit I'm just working my way through normal difficulty and having a blast more or less smashing buttons and letting the acrobatics get the best of me without any thought of "good" move sets. And that's working just fine. Yeah, but for each character you like to play, you have to have an idea of which moves are your favorites or work best by now. That's the extent of the "strategy" being described.
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ZZT the Fifth posted:Aren't level 3 weapons only in adventure maps after the first? Yep. ZZT the Fifth posted:I am not very good at Ganondorfing, apparently. Any tips for dealing with B-8 on the first adventure map ("Deal with unwanted guests!" vs. Agitha)? Remember that C1 fully charged makes you downright invincible against enemy attacks. Also, you can hold the charge on C3 to C6 to charge C1 up to full power. A key thing about Ganondorf is that you want to space his attacks (except fully charged C1) when you're fighting the playable characters. C3 spam at the right distance can keep the enemy away and Ganondorf safe, and if they get too close for comfort, remember that almost every combo finisher that Ganondorf has can be dodge-cancelled at just about any point in the attack, meaning you can dodge out of dangerous attacks and better position yourself. If you can, try hitting officer and character WPGs with a fully charged C1, then run up to the enemy so you can start a WPS. C1 will always proc the darkness effect on the enemy, so running up to them for a WPS at that point makes said WPS do more damage. As C1 at full power already does incredible damage, C1 as WPG is up -> WPS will do incredible damage to enemies, even moreso because Ganondorf's WPS is one of the more powerful ones. C6 (and C5 to a lesser extent) is great for large groups of mooks and multiple officers. Smaller groups of mooks are best taken care of with C3. Also, the first part of C2 (the part where Ganondorf stabs his blades into the ground) acts as a launcher. Dodge cancel after this when you launch an enemy, and you can attack them with the string or do a combo: First part of C2 -> C3 x 2 -> C6. First part of C2 -> attack string also reliably breaks WPGs on officers and characters if you don't want to time C1 right. C4 dodge-cancelled twice will fill up the gauge, bringing C1 to full power too. Anyways, for tips on that level: You may want to deal with the Manhandla Stalks first. Other than that, make sure you recruit the other forces that appear. C6 on large groups should clear keeps and take care of the KO requirement, while full power C1 will chip off a lot of health from harder enemies. Remember that you can attack Stalmasters, then dodge to the side of them to make them expose their WPG more easily. To complete the mission, simply take care of the listed enemy officers. Zant will more often than not take care of the Dark Agitha near him by himself so don't bother with those. As for Agitha, dodge to the side when you see her jump up and down since that means she's summoning a beetle (this is her C3). If she jumps high up, a beetle is gonna mow you down (Agitha's C5) so dodge or use full power C1 (hopefully as close to Agitha as possible). She'll expose her WPG after both of those attacks, and after the attack where she lets out a swarm of butterflies that fly upwards in front of her (which is her C2), so take advantage of those moments to break her WPG. Besides that, don't be afraid to use C1, even if she's not exposing her WPG, because repeated use of this move will wear down the HP of enemies pretty fast. Luckily for you, this mission is in the Red Zone, so the maximum damage limit sits at 25 hearts (10000) of damage.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Right. At what point/level of difficulty does such strategy become crucial? I'll admit I'm just working my way through normal difficulty and having a blast more or less smashing buttons and letting the acrobatics get the best of me without any thought of "good" move sets. And that's working just fine. Adventure mode is a lot harder than normal Legends mode, but regardless of that, there are some good and bad attack chains for each character.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Adventure mode is a lot harder than normal Legends mode, but regardless of that, there are some good and bad attack chains for each character. Like, take Ruto for example: Her C1, C2, C3, and C6 are all decent moves, but then you get some incredible stinkers in C4 and C5 which you do not want to touch with a fifteen-foot pole (well, perhaps C4, but you dodge-cancel it so you can get your meter filled instead of actually using it to attack).
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Should I start jacking up my character levels in the Dojo at this point? I feel like my damage output has been underwhelming.
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ZZT the Fifth posted:Should I start jacking up my character levels in the Dojo at this point? I feel like my damage output has been underwhelming. leveling is generally the main thing you want to use rupees for, so yes.
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Folt The Bolt posted:Remember that you can attack Stalmasters, then dodge to the side of them to make them expose their WPG more easily. Yeah, to expand on this for those unaware: if you just poke > dodge > poke > dodge > poke > dodge > etc... always dodging to the side, Stalmasters (and Darknuts) will suddenly drop their guard and you can kick their rear end
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Right. At what point/level of difficulty does such strategy become crucial? To the level Folt goes into it? Probably never. Some characters do have moves that are much better than others or are only good if you know how to exploit them; but I find I get more effect out of learning the maps, learning what to prioritize, and learning how to dodge than I do figuring out who has frame-perfect dodge cancels that let them one-round a boss without special/focus meter or the like. Knowing the characters' moves in a general sense, THAT I'd call crucial, even if you just rely on one combo (whether because it's good or because it's fun).
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So, I've just unlocked Toon Link and Skull Kid but don't have any of the materials I need to fill out their basic badges. Where's the easiest place to find that stuff?
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Indigo Cephalopods posted:leveling is generally the main thing you want to use rupees for, so yes. Alright. I suppose that makes the next question "how do I get a fuckton of rupees?" Do I just try to grind weapon drops? If so, is there a really good way/place to do so?
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Rand Brittain posted:So, I've just unlocked Toon Link and Skull Kid but don't have any of the materials I need to fill out their basic badges. Where's the easiest place to find that stuff? You really can't until Legend mode Wind Waker story and Wind Waker adventure mode.
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Playing 3DS version. How do I get these weapon skills that are all chained up and weird looking to do anything? Getting kills seems to have no effect. Also I'm almost finished with the first adventure mode map and still only have one fairy and a small amount of clothing. I honestly figured they'd have a lot more content for this My Fairy thing. Am I just missing something?
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Bruceski posted:To the level Folt goes into it? Probably never. Some characters do have moves that are much better than others or are only good if you know how to exploit them; but I find I get more effect out of learning the maps, learning what to prioritize, and learning how to dodge than I do figuring out who has frame-perfect dodge cancels that let them one-round a boss without special/focus meter or the like. Cool thanks for the advance. Folt's advice is intense but very interesting. I haven't even unlocked nearly a quarter of the characters but yeah, I'm sure when by the time it becomes necessary I'll have a better handle on things. Only weapon/character I can't get behind is Fire Rod Link, which in terms of nostalgia is just awesome (like everything in this game), but yeah it seems like a bad way of killing things. I'm probably missing something in regards to it though.
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Kelp Plankton posted:Playing 3DS version. How do I get these weapon skills that are all chained up and weird looking to do anything? Getting kills seems to have no effect. On the Master Sword? You have to get every character's rank 3 / rank 4 weapon before you can start unlocking those two skills, respectively. There are five fairies and tons of clothes on the first Adventure mode map. I guess you just didn't find all of it yet. 100YrsofAttitude posted:Cool thanks for the advance. Folt's advice is intense but very interesting. I haven't even unlocked nearly a quarter of the characters but yeah, I'm sure when by the time it becomes necessary I'll have a better handle on things. Only weapon/character I can't get behind is Fire Rod Link, which in terms of nostalgia is just awesome (like everything in this game), but yeah it seems like a bad way of killing things. I'm probably missing something in regards to it though. It's not a fantastic weapon, but it can work. The C3 combo (where Link turns the rod into something that looks like an axe and throws it around in a circle) is pretty good.
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Fire rod's C3 (w-w-s) is good for most options. It's easy to accidentally do C4 though, which sucks.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Cool thanks for the advance. Folt's advice is intense but very interesting. I haven't even unlocked nearly a quarter of the characters but yeah, I'm sure when by the time it becomes necessary I'll have a better handle on things. Only weapon/character I can't get behind is Fire Rod Link, which in terms of nostalgia is just awesome (like everything in this game), but yeah it seems like a bad way of killing things. I'm probably missing something in regards to it though. Kelp Plankton posted:Playing 3DS version. How do I get these weapon skills that are all chained up and weird looking to do anything? Getting kills seems to have no effect. Fairies are hidden in brown pots in keeps, and the stages they appear in are marked in the rewards section before starting a map. ZZT the Fifth posted:Alright. I suppose that makes the next question "how do I get a fuckton of rupees?" Do I just try to grind weapon drops? If so, is there a really good way/place to do so?
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Any tips for Toon Link's level 4 mission? Or just Toon Link in general, I guess? He's level 53 with a 3-star locomo level 3 weapon and it feels like I'm doing no damage. I'm getting a b rank on both the time and damage taken right now.
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Which weapon skills do you guys use the most? For the early game I've been mostly going with Materials+/EXP+/Stars+/Slots+ just to collect stuff, but now I'm getting somewhat farther in I'm wondering about the other ones. I've started to pay attention a bit more to which combo attacks I'm using for which character, so I could probably make use of appropriate Str Attack+ ones. How much do those actually increase damage? (And also I guess, how much of an effect does EXP+ have on your experience and Materials+ have on how often materials appear and so on?) And then there's all of the elemental skills and sealed skills, which I've basically been ignoring. I've been having a blast playing so far, though. I really like adventure mode and all of the different levels and rewards in it - I'm just about done opening up all of the squares the first adventure map and getting all of the weapons there.
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mastajake posted:Any tips for Toon Link's level 4 mission? Or just Toon Link in general, I guess? He's level 53 with a 3-star locomo level 3 weapon and it feels like I'm doing no damage. I'm getting a b rank on both the time and damage taken right now. If you're not doing enough damage grab a fairy with doubled-up Bombos (fire) spells. If you're taking too much damage grab an Item Powerup potion and dodge-cancelled Light Arrow spam every officer to death from relative safety.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Cool thanks for the advance. Folt's advice is intense but very interesting. I haven't even unlocked nearly a quarter of the characters but yeah, I'm sure when by the time it becomes necessary I'll have a better handle on things. Only weapon/character I can't get behind is Fire Rod Link, which in terms of nostalgia is just awesome (like everything in this game), but yeah it seems like a bad way of killing things. I'm probably missing something in regards to it though. C3 (the axe) spam is fantastic and can get you out of most messes, but the weapon overall is average when it comes to enemies. You should practice doing this combo because one button press too much takes you to C4 which is... generally bad. Generally though, most missions can be done by spamming the character's best attack depending on the situation (like Ganondorf's C6 for large amonts of mooks and full power C1 for anything else). That said, knowing how to combo the harder enemies can be extremely good to know, as well as general map knowledge as proper know-how of the mission and the map lets you plan things out, and you get to do things faster and safer. (Tip for when you get to the Earth & Wind Temple maps on the Great Sea Map: Learn to have the Hookshot awailable, especially if there's no Owl statues.) EDIT: FrictionlessEmu posted:Which weapon skills do you guys use the most? For the early game I've been mostly going with Materials+/EXP+/Stars+/Slots+ just to collect stuff, but now I'm getting somewhat farther in I'm wondering about the other ones. I've started to pay attention a bit more to which combo attacks I'm using for which character, so I could probably make use of appropriate Str Attack+ ones. How much do those actually increase damage? (And also I guess, how much of an effect does EXP+ have on your experience and Materials+ have on how often materials appear and so on?) And then there's all of the elemental skills and sealed skills, which I've basically been ignoring. By 10%. Notably, this 10% is applied even after you hit the damage cap, so they can transform some near-kills into KOs. By stacking them with No Healing/Defenseless and, optionally, with Vs. Dragon, you could look at something as high as a 30% increase in damage output. Folt The Bolt fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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Does the Strong Attack I skill actually effect the things that don't do any damage, like Cia filling her gauge or Young Link converting his special meter into magic?
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Dunban posted:Does the Strong Attack I skill actually effect the things that don't do any damage, like Cia filling her gauge or Young Link converting his special meter into magic? Nope!
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Dunban posted:Does the Strong Attack I skill actually effect the things that don't do any damage, like Cia filling her gauge or Young Link converting his special meter into magic? Theta Zero posted:Nope! This, so don't bother with C1 for those two. FrictionlessEmu posted:Which weapon skills do you guys use the most? For the early game I've been mostly going with Materials+/EXP+/Stars+/Slots+ just to collect stuff, but now I'm getting somewhat farther in I'm wondering about the other ones. I've started to pay attention a bit more to which combo attacks I'm using for which character, so I could probably make use of appropriate Str Attack+ ones. How much do those actually increase damage? (And also I guess, how much of an effect does EXP+ have on your experience and Materials+ have on how often materials appear and so on?) And then there's all of the elemental skills and sealed skills, which I've basically been ignoring. Oh,. and I kind of forgot to actually answer your question, so here goes; these are how the skills stack up to each other in the endgame: Strength+ Skills (Strong Attack+ Strength II+, Strength III+, etc.): Flat 10% percent increase to the damage you do. Notably ignores whatever damage cap is imposed on the mission you do, so these skills will actually always increase the damage of the C# you do. Pick the Strength #+ skills for the combos that are good/you favor. On an 8-slot weapon, around 4-5 of them should be enough. That said, if you're making "ultimate" Lv. 1 and 2 weapons, one or more of these skills + a Vs. Skill if you have one are the first to go. Bonus Skills (EXP+, Material+, Slots+, etc.): Keep these on a weapon that's not your main weapon for getting A Ranks. That weapon will be used for grinding purposes. If your character is max level, you can probably omit EPX+, and Hearts+ may be a bit useless. Element Skills (Light+, Darkness+, Fire+, etc.): Generally situational. Darkness+ and Light+ are probably the best Element skills, but the other three actually has some use on certain "ultimate" weapon builds. KO Skills (Bombs+, Arrows+, Special+, etc., requires 1000 KOs to unlock): Situational. Like the Element Skills, some have use on certain "ultimate" weapon builds. Vs. Skills (Vs. Legend, Vs. Time, Vs. Dragon, etc., requires 2000 KOs to unlock): Pretty situational, but unlike the Element and KO skills, two of them are generally good picks for "ultimate" weapon builds: Vs. Dragon and Vs. Undead, with the former being more favored than the later. That said, if you're making "ultimate" Lv. 1 and 2 weapons, these skills + one or more Strength skills are the first to go. Special Skills (No Healing, Sturdy Feet, One-Hit Kill, etc., requires 3000 KOs to unlock): You want one skill from this category on your "ultimate" weapon. No Healing, Defenseless, and Compatriot are the standout skills in this category, with No Healing being favored over the other two because 1. you get to keep blocking as an option. 2. Adventure Mode missions usually have a cap on how much damage you may take which is typically far below the damage you need to take before you die and must start the mission over. Occasionally, Defenseless and Compatriot are picked for more specialized weapons. For "ultimate" Lv. 1 and 2 weapons, you still want this skill on your weapon. Augment Skills (Regular Attack+, Special Attack+, Hasty Attacks, etc., requires 4000 KOs to unlock): You will always want two of these on your main weapon. Always take Finishing Blow+ (increases WPS damage, your most damaging attack against harder enemies), and most weapons will want Hasty Attacks as well. Some outliers include Sheik (who loses some combo options she could perform without HA, and while she gets new combos with HA equipped, pick Special Attack+ for her instead if you think this is a problem), Lana with her Book (like Sheik, she loses some combo options and gains some new ones if she picks Hasty Attacks, so pick Special Attack+ if you think this is an issue), and Young Link (whose gimmick means that he favors Focus Spirit+ over Hasty Attacks). For "ultimate" Lv. 1 and 2 weapons, you still want this skill on your weapon. Legendary (requires 25000 KOs to unlock): This skill is pretty useless on your Lv. 3 weapon (on Wii U) or Lv. 4 weapon (on 3DS). That said, the lower Lv. weapons should always have this skill on them if you make them. Here's some templates for how you should make your "ultimate" weapons if you're crazy enough to do it: Max Lv. "ultimate" weapons Strength+ Skill Strength+ Skill Strength+ Skill Strength+ Skill Strength+/Element/KO/Vs. Skill Special Skill Augment Skill Augment Skill Lv. 2 "ultimate" weapons Strength+ Skill Strength+ Skill Strength+/Element/KO Skill Special Skill Augment Skill Augment Skill Legendary Lv. 1 "ultimate" weapons Strength+ Skill Special Skill Augment Skill Augment Skill Legendary Lv. 3. "ultimate" weapons (Legends only) Strength+ Skill Strength+ Skill Strength+ Skill Strength+/Element/KO/Vs. Skill Legendary Special Skill Augment Skill Augment Skill
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"Yes! I feel so STRONG!" - Linkle after murdering a child.
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In regards to items: bows, bombs etc. they don't do any damage besides activating the critical point (WP-something) right? Is there one that's the "best" to keep on general stand by or is more used/useful than the others. I find that switching them on the 3DS d-pad is slightly inconvenient. I've kept the hookshot for the most part partly because I don't like Aerofols, and also since it has the most tangible movement benefit.
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They do a little damage and have some kind of effect, IE bombs will launch dudes and arrows will stun briefly.
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Also the bow is the easiest way to cheese 'all attacks are devestating' stages. And if you go a whole stage without using a regular attack you get a medal.
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Boomerangs dizzy which is by far the most useful of the abilities since it can take a general out of the fight for a bit which is great for quiz fights
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100YrsofAttitude posted:In regards to items: bows, bombs etc. they don't do any damage besides activating the critical point (WP-something) right? Is there one that's the "best" to keep on general stand by or is more used/useful than the others. I find that switching them on the 3DS d-pad is slightly inconvenient. I've kept the hookshot for the most part partly because I don't like Aerofols, and also since it has the most tangible movement benefit. I prefer the bow the most - a straight shot from a distance if WPG comes up, it fucks with Poes if they charge their big attack and you tag them (they discharge fire in all directions that hurts enemies and cannot hurt you, then expose WPG), and chain-spamming Light Arrows is an instant-win button against named units (dodge to cancel the animation as soon as the arrows fire, then fire again) I've never managed to successfully use the bombs against moblins, and I can clear screens with most characters almost as efficiently as superbombs anyway. Boomerang I just underuse, and Hookshot hasn't helped me with anything at all. ImpAtom posted:Boomerangs dizzy which is by far the most useful of the abilities since it can take a general out of the fight for a bit which is great for quiz fights many johnnys fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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Hm, I didn't expect the Termina map to unlock at the same time as the Twilight map. Are the two about the same in terms of difficulty?
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Dunban posted:Hm, I didn't expect the Termina map to unlock at the same time as the Twilight map. Are the two about the same in terms of difficulty? I hear termina is about 10 levels easier, at least on the WiiU
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many johnnys posted:I hear termina is about 10 levels easier, at least on the WiiU I'm talking about Legends.
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Personally, I don't find there to be a difference between the two. I actually did the Ganon fight in the Termina map before the Twilight one (though that was because I didn't notice I'd unlocked the latter; did it right after). I say choose which map to focus on based on the level 4 weapons you wanna unlock first. Also, switch to the other one if you get stuck on a hard stage or just get bored with the gimmick (a luxury not afforded the first 3 maps).
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I have to say, the Don't Get HIt missions on the Master Quest map are some hot bullshit.
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Dunban posted:I'm talking about Legends. Termina may actually be a bit harder than Twilight in Legends, but not by much.
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I've finally unlocked Defeat The Demon King in Adventure Mode, but I'm having trouble keeping my keeps from getting wrecked while keeping my allies alive, and I haven't even had Ganon actually show up yet. Any general tips for this map?
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Question: If I already own HW on WiiU (with much of the DLC), and have a regular 3DS, is it worth me getting Legends?
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