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CelticPredator posted:For most, Age of Ultron didn't lose it's luster until the second viewing. Chalk it up to seeing the characters you love again or whatever. The first viewing was boring, the second viewing was hilarious. Hat Thoughts posted:I just think most critics are bad, personally. Yea if you actually read critic reviews it quickly becomes apparent that most people reviewing movies for a living do so because they're too loving stupid to do anything else. Most movie critics/reviewers are imbeciles.
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CelticPredator posted:http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/04/26/alien-vs-aliens To be fair he doesn't like it in comparison with ALIEN, as that's arguably the more interesting film. It's not that he doesn't like it at all. I can't say I disagree, but it very much depends on the day as to which one I prefer, and if I had to choose I'd probably go with ALIEN. As for the SUICIDE SQUAD stuff, I happen to think he's wrong on that, but it's pretty funny how people say oh it was debunked by David Ayer, as if he's ever going to turn around and say yes they wanted me to make it lighter in tone. It's not even that unbelievable really, given how that original SS trailer is vastly different in tone from the other two that came out. Though I suspect the reason might be because it seemed way too dour originally, and they scrambled to show people that no, it has jokes too. Once people responded to that that's what they seemed to lean on. Then again, they were really happy to talk publicly about how hosed up the movie was and how they needed psychiatrists on set, so who the gently caress knows.
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May 2, 2016 10:41
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Snowman_McK posted:I struggled through one viewing. I got bored in the fight scenes. I think I'm old. Honestly, it pretty much put me to sleep the first time. Second time was alright. Third time was...eh. I might watch it again, but only if it's like, on TV or something and there's nothing else to watch. Could be my least favorite MCU flick.
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May 2, 2016 11:00
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TetsuoTW posted:Yeah but in that case a huge number of people online had already decided the movie was poo poo well ahead of the movie actually existing. The exact opposite is true for MCU films, except for the vanishingly small number of people who will always claim that [Next Big Marvel Movie] will be the Death of Marvel when that's transparently and consistently loving retarded. There was also a (relatively small) number of people bitching about Heimdall being black and the Mandarin being too white but I'm going to assume they were bringing their own agenda to the characters and they weren't actually diehard fans.
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May 2, 2016 11:09
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DrVenkman posted:As for the SUICIDE SQUAD stuff, I happen to think he's wrong on that, but it's pretty funny how people say oh it was debunked by David Ayer, as if he's ever going to turn around and say yes they wanted me to make it lighter in tone. Also, when did "grimdark," the Desirable Tone For Taking Comics Seriously, become "dour," the Undesirable Bad Way To Do Movies?
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May 2, 2016 11:13
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By the way, a few weeks ago we were talking about how the surrounding area in Marvel action scenes is always miraculously devoid of civilians and someone quipped they'd awkwardly insert an evacuation order before the big airport fight scene, and I thought you should know that's exactly what happens.
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May 2, 2016 11:15
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DrVenkman posted:
No, that would still be loving stupid since the second trailer hit in January, well before Deadpool or BvS. The first trailer wasn't actually a trailer. It was an industry showcase or something. It just got leaked after the convention it was shown at. My Lovely Horse posted:By the way, a few weeks ago we were talking about how the surrounding area in Marvel action scenes is always miraculously devoid of civilians and someone quipped they'd awkwardly insert an evacuation order before the big airport fight scene, and I thought you should know that's exactly what happens. The equivalent scenes in BvS felt like they were mocking that cliche in the Marvel films.
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May 2, 2016 11:29
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Snowman_McK posted:No, that would still be loving stupid since the second trailer hit in January, well before Deadpool or BvS. The first trailer wasn't actually a trailer. It was an industry showcase or something. It just got leaked after the convention it was shown at. There's no way the blurry leak - - > HD release was something they didn't plan on doing
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May 2, 2016 11:30
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Hat Thoughts posted:There's no way the blurry leak - - > HD release was something they didn't plan on doing Well, they specifically said afterwards that they didn't want to do it. They did it because if there's going to be a copy out there, it may as well be a decent quality one. Even then, the second trailer hit well before the two things that are supposed to have influenced them changing the tone.
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May 2, 2016 11:33
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TetsuoTW posted:Wasn't the debunking basically "that isn't how time works"? As in, "we already had these pickups (reshoots?) planned before that other movie even came out, how could it be a reaction to something that hadn't happened yet?" People are not really bothered by the tone of DC's movies. They are bothered by the nonsensical characterizations and boring plots. They talk about how dour they are because that is the biggest, most palpable difference between Marvel's films (which they enjoy) and DC's films. If the films were well-written, no one would care about their relatively darker tone.
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May 2, 2016 11:33
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Snowman_McK posted:Well, they specifically said afterwards that they didn't want to do it. They did it because if there's going to be a copy out there, it may as well be a decent quality one. I mean, I know they said this but I find it extremely difficult to believe that a trailer being shown at Comic-Con leaking out in poor phone quality was a surprise to anyone.
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May 2, 2016 11:44
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Judakel posted:If the films were well-written, no one would care about their relatively darker tone. The Nolan Batman films were pretty drat dark and even pretty dour (his girlfriend gets clownmurdered, he gets his back broken, etc etc) and people couldn't get enough of them. Some people were actually tweeting #BringBackBale after they saw BvS.
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May 2, 2016 12:39
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Wheeee posted:Most movie critics/reviewers are imbeciles. I forgot who it was here who said it, I think it was LtKen, but it was something to the effect of 'if you think movie critics are bad, don't read any music critics. None of them talk about music.'
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So "dour" is just shorthand for "grimdark but I didn't like it"?
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Judakel posted:If the films were well-written, no one would care about their relatively darker tone. How would someone who watches comic book films distinguish the difference?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I forgot who it was here who said it, I think it was LtKen, but it was something to the effect of 'if you think movie critics are bad, don't read any music critics. None of them talk about music.' Tinymixtapes.com
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Hey, lay off Faraci! He fights for the homeless. He is a real hero.
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May 2, 2016 13:12
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High Warlord Zog posted:Hey, lay of Faraci! He fights for the homeless. He is a real hero. It's hard to tell which part of this actually happened.
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May 2, 2016 13:14
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Hat Thoughts posted:I mean, I know they said this but I find it extremely difficult to believe that a trailer being shown at Comic-Con leaking out in poor phone quality was a surprise to anyone. There was an Age of Ultron trailer the year before that completely failed to leak. Same with at least one of the Star Wars trailers. It's possible, but difficult. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's hard to tell which part of this actually happened. Devin Faraci exists, as do sandwiches.
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May 2, 2016 13:25
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The Nolan Batman films were pretty drat dark and even pretty dour (his girlfriend gets clownmurdered, he gets his back broken, etc etc) and people couldn't get enough of them. Some people were actually tweeting #BringBackBale after they saw BvS. bat affleck was a better than patrick batman
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May 2, 2016 13:26
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TetsuoTW posted:So "dour" is just shorthand for "grimdark but I didn't like it"? I have never seen 'grimdark' used positively by anyone.
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May 2, 2016 13:27
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Snowman_McK posted:Devin Faraci exists, as do sandwiches. Maybe it's a side effect of reading Reddit but there's definitely a certain cadence to recounting stories that for sure didn't happen. Audience participation is always a big part of them, it's like you can't leave well enough alone, there has to be some Improv Everywhere poo poo going on to seal the deal.
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May 2, 2016 13:35
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It reads like something you'd think of in hindsight and then retool your story so you can come off in a better and more eloquent way than your mumbling self. Basically, shitthatneverhappened.txt
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Unkempt posted:I have never seen 'grimdark' used positively by anyone. You make a strong point.What's the right word? "'Realistic'"? "Gritty"? "Mature"?
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I found one unintentionally funny comment claiming that critics will like Civil War better than X-Men Apocalypse because the former is "mature" while the latter is "childish".
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I forgot who it was here who said it, I think it was LtKen, but it was something to the effect of 'if you think movie critics are bad, don't read any music critics. None of them talk about music.' What do they talk about instead
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Jenny Angel posted:What do they talk about instead The subculture surrounding the music, which is fine and dandy, but also talk about the thing!
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The MSJ posted:I found one unintentionally funny comment claiming that critics will like Civil War better than X-Men Apocalypse because the former is "mature" while the latter is "childish". Stopping the literal end of the world is pretty immature, I agree.
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I was nonplussed by AoU in theaters. Left going "meh." We own the collectors box infinity stone thing of Phase 2 and did a rewatch of all of them and when we got to AoU got about 20 minutes in, remembered how long it was, and turned it off. So I can't tell you how I felt about watch 2. So I'm someone who's a big enough fan to own both stupid-expensive box sets and that film is mediocre enough to not inspire a rewatch. I remember what happens. It's not awful. But I'd just rather watch many other things with that time.
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Jenny Angel posted:What do they talk about instead Hat Thoughts posted:Tinymixtapes.com e: No seriously read that.
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I felt the same way about AoU and BvS when I saw them in the theater, I liked parts of both films, but overall they struck me as messy and overstuffed. I did enjoy AoU a little bit better when I rewatched it recently, so I'm curious if I'll feel the same way about Beevis.
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The MSJ posted:I found one unintentionally funny comment claiming that critics will like Civil War better than X-Men Apocalypse because the former is "mature" while the latter is "childish". I went to a early showing on day one and let me tell you that 12 year olds enjoy the gently caress out of this movie. One of them must have misunderstood the subtitles tho and thought that it was Steve's niece instead of Peggy Carter's niece. I can tell because he shouted "isn't that HIS niece?!" after a certain scene. It was great. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 15:27 on May 2, 2016 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The Nolan Batman films were pretty drat dark and even pretty dour (his girlfriend gets clownmurdered, he gets his back broken, etc etc) and people couldn't get enough of them. Some people were actually tweeting #BringBackBale after they saw BvS. I mean really though, his back was only lightly sprained going by how he recovered. Who knew there was a licensed chiropractic in that whole in the ground prison? BvS was great fun and interesting, but there were a few clumsy moments - namely the 'save Martha!' bit, and I'd have loved to see more Clark doing Clark stuff regarding Batman because he has a really strange hate on otherwise given all the other poo poo that goes on in the world (but I guess Batman is so near that it chaps his hide that he doesn't get as much poo poo even though Batman's effectively killing people by marking the criminals) and it would make his really poor effort to get Batman's help prior to their fight scene a little more acceptable, as well as him talking to Lois about his place as Superman. I absolutely loved the scene with Costner. That perfectly encapsulated his struggle. I think maybe people don't like how Superman isn't really a personality so much as a force of nature. The want him to kiss babies and make clever comments to the crowds of adoring masses. I'm totally fine with Batman killing people, and him using a gun in a loving dream, because that suits this character - which also happens to be an interesting one. (i hope he makes girlfriend/boyfriend with Diana) 
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TetsuoTW posted:So "dour" is just shorthand for "grimdark but I didn't like it"? Unkempt posted:I have never seen 'grimdark' used positively by anyone. TetsuoTW posted:You make a strong point.What's the right word? "'Realistic'"? "Gritty"? "Mature"? It's not the setting or the maturity level or even the overall tone, it's the emotional journey the film takes you on and where it leaves you. BvS ends with Batman's redemption and his realisation that he has to gather the League to his side but it doesn't feel like a hopeful moment. He's still scared and uncertain and acting out of fear which is amplified by Luthor's "The bell can't be unrung!" speech. He's not forming the League to inspire people, he's forming it out of desperation. He's not looking to lead people into the light and he hasn't really understood Superman's sacrifice. BvS is a film about a man who has given up on hope and has chosen the path of fear and anger and who expected to die in the pursuit of his mad goal. He realises before the end of the film that his goal was folly but his redemption isn't complete enough to rekindle his sense of hope. Compare it to the end of The Empire Strikes Back where Luke has had the poo poo kicked out of him five different ways and lost his best friend and discovered that Vader is his father and had to leave his Jedi training even though Yoda warned him he would be turned to the dark side if he confronted Vader and the Emperor before he was fully prepared. Luke resigned himself to his fate at the end but he never gave up on hope.
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Unkempt posted:I have never seen 'grimdark' used positively by anyone. All Star Batman and Robin was super grimdark and the better for it because it made it funnier.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It's not the setting or the maturity level or even the overall tone, it's the emotional journey the film takes you on and where it leaves you. At the end of ESB, Luke attempts suicide rather than confronting the truth.
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Darko posted:All Star Batman and Robin was super grimdark and the better for it because it made it funnier. It's debatable if the grimdarkness is on purpose, though.
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Snowman_McK posted:The equivalent scenes in BvS felt like they were mocking that cliche in the Marvel films. So when Marvel does it it's a cliche, when DC does it it's a parody? It's pretty obvious they wanted to deflect the criticism MoS received.
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Renoistic posted:So when Marvel does it it's a cliche, when DC does it it's a parody? It's pretty obvious they wanted to deflect the criticism MoS received. I honestly don't think it's much of either. If they wanted to deflect the criticism that MoS received they wouldn't have let the movie open up with a big scary reminder of the exact scenes that got that criticism, complete with a ground level view of the horror and showing specific faces of people who died/got maimed/lost loved ones. Batman being responsible about where he fought Superman, especially knowing the collateral damage that could've been caused makes total thematic and plot sense (since again, we are shown how traumatized he is by the destruction). I can potentially see them adding in the "luckily downtown is mostly abandoned at this hour" line later to help ease people's minds but that is also a legitimate thing that happens in business heavy parts of big cities (I have friends who live in the Loop in Chicago and they hate that 90% of the bars/restaurants in the immediate area close after happy hour/once shows in the theatre district start, since it is mostly office buildings). I definitely doubt that it was intentional parody though. Although I agree that some of the Marvel downplaying is getting ridiculous with the whole "74 people dead in New York" thing.
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Renoistic posted:So when Marvel does it it's a cliche, when DC does it it's a parody? It's pretty obvious they wanted to deflect the criticism MoS received. Yeah, it was very clearly a reaction to the massive amounts of poo poo Snyder got for MoS. And really, I don't see how that is a major cliche on the part of the marvel movies to begin with. For the most part Marvel takes time to show the Avengers actively assisting and evacuating civilians, which is a good thing to include. I haven't seen CW yet so I've no idea how well it's executed there, but if it's anything like the Anderson Cooper bit from BvS then lol.
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