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Deified Data posted:Coming out of my weeks of self-imposed Souls community exile because King of Storms/Nameless King is breaking me. I can feel it. dark sword +10 2-hand it, chloranthy shield on your back ring of favor lightning protection ring carthus dodge roll ring a ring of your choice +lightning res armor (pyromancy set works well) hit the dragons head, if he rises up and does the fire you're too close to the body. stay to the left of the head and you can bait the easy flame breath to take off like 1/3 of its health. I hear people say dodge to the right, but dodging to the left (his right) is a bit better in my experience. As a souls rule you always want to roll towards their weapon hand. Jose posted:i've not reached that boss yet but I have the dragonslayer great shield ready to be my first time using a shield since its 100% physical/95% lightning resist I actually specced for high strength to use this shield expecting an easy cheese fight. What I got was a waste of stat points. The only moves that are hard to dodge can't be blocked. Using that shield, unless you wasted all your points in carry weight you'll be fat rolling. You will die of chip damage if you use any other shield. just dodge, throw the chloranthy shield on your back, summon if you want to give up and have someone else kill it for you
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Blaziken386 posted:Any advice for the Poke him in his demon rear end in a top hat
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After NK I just ditched my shield and kept a Buckler around for parrying. It was a good decision.
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Vermain posted:Full-on blocking isn't a good strategy. I generally use it to absorb swipes so that I can safely circle strafe enemies to backstab them, rather than as a main defensive strategy. Pretty much, like you could turtle in the other games. This? Chances are you are gonna lose all the stamina and you don't want that to happen. With NM, I got lucky because when he drained my stamina from the shield, he went with the slow wind up which let me barely had just a tiny bit of stamina to roll out of the way . Also I learn the hard way with the turtling early game. I got riposted quite a bit by enemies. We aren't the only ones who can punish a guard break. 
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Blaziken386 posted:Any advice for the Old Nameless King? Getting him down to half health used up all 10 of my estus. Dude's got a ton of health. Sorry, do you mean Old Demon King, or the dude we were talking about above? ODK is about playing safe: sit at medium range until he starts doing a slow windup swing, dodge roll underneath it, smack him once, then roll off to the sides to avoid getting smushed by his counter. Force him to fight on the lower (middle) part of the arena, and then run up the hill (towards the fog door) when he does his flame circle or fire breath attack. Run around the corpse piles when he does his meteor attack. When he kneels at low health, run away and then return after he's exploded to finish him off. Mortimer posted:You will die of chip damage if you use any other shield. Nah, Lothric Knight Shield handles him just fine. The point isn't to block every one of his attacks, but rather to block either hard-to-predict attacks (like his pass-through charge) or attacks with staggered timing (like the first two hits of his combo).
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Mortimer posted:dark sword +10 2-hand it, chloranthy shield on your back Jeez why not just tell him to hack the game
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Kanos posted:With those weapons, your best bet is to buy some Carthus Rouge and bleed him out. This is basically the best strategy for any boss on a low level run. What bosses can't you bleed? Tree? Armor?
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Mortimer posted:I actually specced for high strength to use this shield expecting an easy cheese fight. What I got was a waste of stat points. The only moves that are hard to dodge can't be blocked. Using that shield, unless you wasted all your points in carry weight you'll be fat rolling. You will die of chip damage if you use any other shield. i've got 50 str/40 vit anyway lol
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Blaziken386 posted:Any advice for the Here's a really lame way to kill him without ever taking a hit: 1 phase: stay away from his melee range and bait out his super telegraphed fire breath attack. The moment you see it coming run to his left leg and get a few hits in, then quickly run back to a safe range. repeat until phase 2 2 phase: stay out of range until he starts summoning his magma balls. Run to him and hit a few times. Fall back to a safe range once the balls start dropping. Repeat until dead
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May 2, 2016 18:25
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Jose posted:i've got 50 str/40 vit anyway lol People who say VIT is worthless never did PVP below 30% weight The superfast dodge roll is something most opponent's aren't used to and it can be used to really effectively triangle strike your enemy.
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Hackan Slash posted:This is basically the best strategy for any boss on a low level run. What bosses can't you bleed? Tree? Armor? Judging from a youtube video I watched last night, I don't think NK can be bleed. Or if he can, his resist is so insanely high that it isn't worth trying.
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May 2, 2016 18:27
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i'm struggling to keep my equip weight below 70%. its not for the fast roll
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Jose posted:i'm struggling to keep my equip weight below 70%. its not for the fast roll Fast Roll is so elite tier. I've had dudes rage quit from fast roll.
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So general advice for Nameless King seems to be:
I've personally been strafing to his weapon arm (my left) because that's pretty much ingrained in my DNA - when I tried the other way he'd often clip me with the end of a swing. What are the pros and cons of either direction? Also is Carthus Bloodring worth it with a decent armor under 50% weight? My problem is I'm switching up strategies so often that I'm not perfecting any of them. Regarding the dragon, is there a way to minimize his sky fire attack and coax out his grounded fire attack? It's just about the only opportunity I have to hit him safely.
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il serpente cosmico posted:Judging from a youtube video I watched last night, I don't think NK can be bleed. Or if he can, his resist is so insanely high that it isn't worth trying. immune to bleed and poison, yes Mel Mudkiper posted:People who say VIT is worthless never did PVP below 30% weight you're right, I haven't wasted my time with that, but you may be correct for PVE, which is what 90%+ of the people here are asking questions about, vit is worthless
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il serpente cosmico posted:Judging from a youtube video I watched last night, I don't think NK can be bleed. Or if he can, his resist is so insanely high that it isn't worth trying. He can. It's just difficult to do because of the low windows of opportunity you have to actually get hits in before it becomes dangerous to try to sneak in any more. He can be hit staggered and visceraled, however.
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Deified Data posted:Also is Carthus Bloodring worth it with a decent armor under 50% weight? Carthus Bloodring is so good it feels like cheating. I don't think the "with decent armor" "under 50% weight" or whatever stuff even matters, there's no circumstance where +5 iframes on your roll isn't awesome.
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FutonForensic posted:Dragon Crest Shield is maybe TOO useful relative to other shields. It blocks physical 100%, blocks the most common type of magical damage almost as much, and is fairly lightweight. it also has terrible stability. BK shield is better if you're sword'and'boarding fire bosses
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I did PVP last night where I entered the fight with the Dark Sword, Havel's shield, and Dragonslayer Armor to be maximum scrub and then just before I attacked unequiped everything, equipped loincloth, and switched to Caestus as my weapon and charged I love it.
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Bloodring almost breaks the game if you have enough health to survive a mistake
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May 2, 2016 18:31
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Flynn's Ring gives +9 attack to my level 20 char when I pimp her out in worker duds and swap the metal shield for a Caestus. Not a bad chunk of damage!
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May 2, 2016 18:31
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Deified Data posted:So general advice for Nameless King seems to be: Uhh the pros and cons are what you said, strafe left and stay really really close to his body. Strafing right if you're close to him should be the same but it sure doesn't feel that way. Carthus Bloodring is amazing always use it. Dragon: Stay close to the head, do not walk behind the head. Do not attack the body or feet. Stay in front left of the head. Vermain posted:He can. It's just difficult to do because of the low windows of opportunity you have to actually get hits in before it becomes dangerous to try to sneak in any more. He can be hit staggered and visceraled, however. really? Dang. Stagger and visceral are really really good against NK, still only like 10% of his health but that's a lot.
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Deified Data posted:Regarding the dragon, is there a way to minimize his sky fire attack and coax out his grounded fire attack? It's just about the only opportunity I have to hit him safely. Not sure about minimize, but crank the audio. He has an audio cue for the sky fire attack before he has any physical ones, and you can get a few precious seconds by listening for it. I found you can fish out his most opportune attacks by staying a few feet in front of his head and avoiding lock-on. Lock-on is worthless against the dragon. I just face him down, and watch the pattern of his head movement. If he doesn't breath fire, you can usually at least coax a lightning ground strike or double swing out of him.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I did PVP last night where I entered the fight with the Dark Sword, Havel's shield, and Dragonslayer Armor to be maximum scrub and then just before I attacked unequiped everything, equipped loincloth, and switched to Caestus as my weapon and charged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtT2xYZbWBs is this you
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DS3 is the first game in the series I've been mid-rolling in. Namely because everything is so freakin' heavy. That, and the fast roll doesn't seem to be that much faster than the mid roll. Sidenote: why hasn't the front-flip ring made a return? I'd even accept a version that had the same number of invincibility frames as a normal fastroll. That animation looked cool.
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Is NK weak to any elements I should be using resin for?
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Deified Data posted:Is NK weak to any elements I should be using resin for? He is weak to Fire and strong against Lightning, so just slap some Charcoal Pine Resin on when you can.
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Deified Data posted:So general advice for Nameless King seems to be: Stay in front of him and he won't jump up and breathe fire, and don't lock on, it only makes them harder to track. If they do jump straight up just start rolling the opposite direction and you'll dodge the fire easily. There's no reason to get hit once you've gone through KoS a few times, and the fight should be over very fast. Almost all of boss's attacks leave space at the end for you to get some hits in on the dragon's head, and the visceral attack will further speed things up. It's irritating that you have to do it at all but the fight should only last like two minutes.
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The dragon is weak to lightning though. Make sure you switch resins.
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Deified Data posted:So general advice for Nameless King seems to be: Ultra easy mode for Nameless King: Havel Shield +5. I can just block his entire 4-hit combo without losing half my stamina. Retaliate, repeat, win without trying.
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Deified Data posted:Is NK weak to any elements I should be using resin for? Dark and Fire
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The only time I would recommend locking on is when King of Storms does his flying attack. Lock onto NK (not KoS), and then run in the same clockwise direction as KoS so that you can see and dodge the Sunlight Spear. When he turns to go for the swooping attack, run directly towards him and then dodge through the downswing, unlocking as you do.
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Vermain posted:The real bullshit about Yorshka is that she drops the absolute best Miracle catalyst in the game, and the only way to get it is to straight-up kill her. Cool design! Chimes are inferior to Talismans because they don't make your miracles unstaggerable.
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Level 16 and - +0 weapon and I can't get blucops pulls in the forest. Cool
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Deified Data posted:Regarding the dragon, is there a way to minimize his sky fire attack and coax out his grounded fire attack? It's just about the only opportunity I have to hit him safely. The flying fire breath only really has an audio tell, not a visual one. Learn what his roars mean and when you hear that one, run away from him (ideally in the direction his head is facing). If you start to sprint literally immediately, you'll get out of range in time. If you don't think you will, start rolling after sprinting a good distance. Not too sure if you can reliably bait out the ground fire attack, but it's definitely the best opening to beat the poo poo out of him. Vermain posted:The real bullshit about Yorshka is that she drops the absolute best Miracle catalyst in the game, and the only way to get it is to straight-up kill her. Cool design! If it helps, the best talisman (Saint's Talisman) is only 3 Spell Buff weaker than Yorshka's Chime at 60 Faith. I'm pretty bummed about that choice, too, though.
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Honestly the only way I've ever bait out that flame breath is kept a distance, but not too far otherwise dude just flies up and trys to chuck lighting spears at me.
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Frankly super armor > 3 spell buff for pvp so it doesn't even matter, really.
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Gologle posted:Chimes are inferior to Talismans because they don't make your miracles unstaggerable. I actually did some testing with the Talismans, and a lot of them are actually garbage at the unstaggerable thing. Unlike Perseverence, Unfaltering Prayer does not give you infinite hyper armor for the duration, but rather appears to turn on Poise and give you a small boost to it, dependent on the Talisman, meaning that you can still get staggered if you are hit with a strong enough attack or with enough attacks during the cast time. On the Tree Hollows by Crucifixion Woods, the Saint's Talisman actually did not let me Poise through more than a single one of them light attacks, while the regular ol' Talisman let me Poise through about 3 or so (or a single one of their strong attacks). The Sunlight Talisman has the best version of Unfaltering Prayer, but it also does garbage damage. Basically, if you're going to use FTH in PVE, you may as well just use Yorshka's and play like any old caster, getting casts in when it's safe. The amount of damage you lose going with the Canvas Talisman or the Saint's Talisman over Yorshka's is not insignificant. It's different in PVP, of course, but I haven't had time or ability to reliably test how good Saint's is against the majority of weapons.
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turtlecrunch posted:"Can't hit the broad side of a barn" is an apt phrase. For the first and last time in his life, Yhorm got to live his dream of being an enemy in an FPS game.
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