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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:At the end of ESB, Luke attempts suicide rather than confronting the truth. 
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May 2, 2016 17:39
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Don't shoot the messenger!
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May 2, 2016 17:40
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Luke does attempt suicide.
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May 2, 2016 17:40
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Renoistic posted:So when Marvel does it it's a cliche, when DC does it it's a parody?  WAYNE TOWER DEVASTATED "Dozens Killed"
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May 2, 2016 17:42
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Luke does attempt suicide. Wait a sec, is this some thing I'm unaware of? Is there a controversy over it, or something?
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May 2, 2016 17:43
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Wait a sec, is this some thing I'm unaware of? Is there a controversy over it, or something? A lot of Star Wars fans - in my experience, possibly most fans - believe Luke planned the whole thing, as a daring escape.
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May 2, 2016 17:53
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Hmm. I wanna hear that from an unbiased source.
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May 2, 2016 17:54
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8-year-old me: "Why did he jump?" Grandpa: "He put his faith in the Force to help him run away." A decade later... 18-year-old me: "It really looks like he's trying to kill himself as a screw-you to Vader." Grandpa: "He is strong in the Force and can see that things will work out fine if he takes the leap of faith." *begins talking at length about what the Force means to him*
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May 2, 2016 18:08
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Renoistic posted:So when Marvel does it it's a cliche, when DC does it it's a parody? It's pretty obvious they wanted to deflect the criticism MoS received. It's very obvious that Snyder's heart isn't in it, too. "Oh yeah the docks are abandoned!" *Superman rockets down from low earth orbit and spikes Doomsday into a field of fuel vats which all simultaneously explode, filling the screen with a massive conflagration* "I guess they just keep a lot of fuel down here because...ah...it's dangerous I guess? "
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May 2, 2016 18:10
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:It's very obvious that Snyder's heart isn't in it, too. "Oh yeah the docks are abandoned!" *Superman rockets down from low earth orbit and spikes Doomsday into a field of fuel vats which all simultaneously explode, filling the screen with a massive conflagration* "I guess they just keep a lot of fuel down here because...ah...it's dangerous I guess? " Godzilla '14 pointedly does not do this, which I like a lot. Terrorist Fistbump posted:8-year-old me: "Why did he jump?" I thought the same thing when I saw it as a kid.
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May 2, 2016 18:14
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Snyder, the master satirist, made the bold move of parodying the entirety of Age of Ultron by making Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice aggressively mediocre.
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May 2, 2016 18:15
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:A lot of Star Wars fans - in my experience, possibly most fans - believe Luke planned the whole thing, as a daring escape. I've always seen it as him just wanting to get the hell away from Vader and not really thinking things through.
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May 2, 2016 18:26
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Renoistic posted:I've always seen it as him just wanting to get the hell away from Vader and not really thinking things through. Luke is a bit of a drama queen, but come on.
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May 2, 2016 18:29
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Renoistic posted:I've always seen it as him just wanting to get the hell away from Vader and not really thinking things through. He thinks it through. There's a very definite pause after "Come with me. It is the only way."
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May 2, 2016 18:29
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:It's very obvious that Snyder's heart isn't in it, too. "Oh yeah the docks are abandoned!" *Superman rockets down from low earth orbit and spikes Doomsday into a field of fuel vats which all simultaneously explode, filling the screen with a massive conflagration* "I guess they just keep a lot of fuel down here because...ah...it's dangerous I guess? " The docks thing seemed like it was purposeful and fit into the plot. I feel that this part has gone through a game of telephone on the Internet. It was "Batman, why the gently caress did you lead Doomsday to the city?" "Abandoned warehouse district honest." Pretty much the same as, "rubber bullets, honest." Doomsday falling was "thank god he landed somewhere that didn't kill a million people after we launched that nuke at him." I didn't hear the "city was evacuated because everyone was off of work" part, though. I assumed that Doomsday's first AOE thing just killed thousands of people by default.
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May 2, 2016 18:36
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Renoistic posted:I've always seen it as him just wanting to get the hell away from Vader and not really thinking things through. I mean I don't want to put too fine a point on it but after attempting suicide he even falls to the point where he's literally dangling in between a world of clouds and a never-ending pit of darkness below Like, he almost descends into hell--both in the way as he came close to turning to the dark side and also that he almost successfully killed himself
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May 2, 2016 18:43
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:8-year-old me: "Why did he jump?"
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May 2, 2016 18:50
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8-year-old me: "Why did he jump?" Grandpa: "SHUT UP AND TURN THIS CRAP OFF" A decade later... 18-year-old me: "It really looks like he's trying to kill himself as a screw-you to Vader." Grandpa: *is dead*
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May 2, 2016 18:53
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Slugworth posted:Look at this rear end in a top hat, complaining that his grandfather had a long talk about Star Wars and the force with him. My grandpa didn't watch any drat fool space war movies. Where's the complaint? Rurea posted:8-year-old me: "Why did he jump?" 
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May 2, 2016 18:56
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Luke does attempt suicide. I guess you also think that Ben committed suicide when he let Vader strike him down and Luke was also trying to commit suicide when he refused to strike Vader down in the Emperor's throne room? Did you people even watch all three movies? The whole "Abandoning the path of aggression and surrendering yourself to the will of The Force" thing was a pretty strong theme throughout all of them.
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May 2, 2016 18:56
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Darko posted:I didn't hear the "city was evacuated because everyone was off of work" part, though. I assumed that Doomsday's first AOE thing just killed thousands of people by default. I don't recall that either, even though i was looking out for it. I'm looking for the alleged quote, but keep getting wildly different quotes - as though nobody can remember it correctly. Results range from "LUCKILY THE WORK DAY IS OVER SO ALL OF DOWNTOWN IS EMPTY", to a more moderate "the workday is over, the streets are empty"
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May 2, 2016 18:58
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I guess you also think that Ben committed suicide when he let Vader strike him down and Luke was also trying to commit suicide when he refused to strike Vader down in the Emperor's throne room? Obi-Wan sees Luke watching, smirks and allows himself to be cut down. That's not abandoning agrression, it's passing the torch.
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May 2, 2016 18:59
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I guess you also think that Ben committed suicide when he let Vader strike him down and Luke was also trying to commit suicide when he refused to strike Vader down in the Emperor's throne room? Just rewatched the scene (it's been 10+ years, OK?) and this theory sounds about right. He really doesn't look like someone who decides to off himself. Also, WTH was Lucas thinking? (Watch the end) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbjru5CQIW4 Renoistic fucked around with this message at 19:03 on May 2, 2016 |
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May 2, 2016 19:00
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The line is read by Anderson Cooper while WW is still on the plane watching the carnage unfold.
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May 2, 2016 19:00
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I guess you also think that Ben committed suicide when he let Vader strike him down and Luke was also trying to commit suicide when he refused to strike Vader down in the Emperor's throne room? You're not actually disagreeing. “The reactionary suicide is ‘wise,’ and the revolutionary suicide is a ‘fool,’ a fool for the revolution in the way Paul meant when he spoke of being a ‘fool for Christ,’ That foolishness can move mountains of oppression; it is our great leap and our commitment to the dead and the unborn.”
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May 2, 2016 19:05
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Finally, a third Star Wars thread.
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May 2, 2016 19:05
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I guess you also think that Ben committed suicide when he let Vader strike him down and Luke was also trying to commit suicide when he refused to strike Vader down in the Emperor's throne room? Letting yourself get killed is suicide.
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May 2, 2016 19:05
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I guess you also think that Ben committed suicide when he let Vader strike him down and Luke was also trying to commit suicide when he refused to strike Vader down in the Emperor's throne room? What? Obi-Wan had no issue fighting Vader right before letting himself get killed to motivate Luke. Even in death, Obi-Wan urged Luke to kill Vader, not to turn away from aggression.
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May 2, 2016 19:08
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I don't recall that either, even though i was looking out for it. I'm looking for the alleged quote, but keep getting wildly different quotes - as though nobody can remember it correctly. The line is: "This thing... emerged from the Kryptonian crash site just moments ago... Thankfully the workday is over and the downtown (next word I can't make out clearly) court/quarry/area is empty." MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 19:17 on May 2, 2016 |
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May 2, 2016 19:13
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MacheteZombie posted:The line is: "This thing... emerged from the Krpytonian crash site just moments ago... Thankfully the workday is over and the downtown (next word I can't make out clearly) court/quarry/area is empty." Slow news day, eh Anderson?
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May 2, 2016 19:14
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Slow news day, eh Anderson? Anderson Cooper lives on nothing reporting.
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May 2, 2016 19:17
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Results range from "LUCKILY THE WORK DAY IS OVER SO ALL OF DOWNTOWN IS EMPTY", to a more moderate "the workday is over, the streets are empty" My own recollection is that it's closer to the latter, but both of those endpoints miss the important context that this is a workday in a fictionalized downtown Manhattan that we're talking about, so even if it's the moderate position where the streets don't have much traffic and most of the office buildings have turned off their lights for the evening, that represents an oddly utopian departure from real-world dynamics. It's a companion to the later announcement that, oh no, Doomsday has touched down on Riker's, but thankfully we closed that place down years ago, the implication that one of Clark's most important victories is putting some background momentum behind those kinds of unspoken reforms to the labor and criminal justice systems. One gets the sense that if they seek Clark's monument, they might give looking around them a try Contrast this with what we see of the Man of Steel flashback at the start, wherein Wayne Enterprises employees are paralyzed in the face of Zod's devastation up until the moment where their literal CEO calls in and confirms that, yeah guys, it's fine if you take the rest of the day off. Contrast also with Captain America securing the Chitauri battleground in The Avengers by explaining to some cops the concepts of Forming a Perimeter and Evacuating Everyone, which leads into the equivalent Age of Ultron sequence where ungrateful Sokovians refuse such benevolent measures and have to be reasoned with in the language of terrorist threats and outright mind control If Clark's presence leads to subtle societal shifts that dampen the scope of tragedies - not as many people died this time because we closed down Riker's and we stopped overworking people as much - the Avengers do the opposite. Not as many people died this time because we ramped up the severity, the explicitly coercive force, of our efforts to clear the area. That's the big difference between how Batman v Superman and Age of Ultron handle their respective "don't worry guys, nobody got hurt" scenes: one of them proposes that the presence of a superheroic figure might inspire us to reconfigure our societies such that catastrophic loss is less a part of the expected equation, while the other proposes that civilian populations might develop some kind of antibiotic resistance to requests to please not stand over here because we're about to blow the entire poo poo up
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May 2, 2016 19:17
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How many gags about the events in BvS not killing people are there? I remember three: Anderson Cooper's line, the line about Strikers Island being uninhabited, and the line about the port of Gotham being abandoned. Did I miss any?
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May 2, 2016 19:19
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Unkempt posted:I have never seen 'grimdark' used positively by anyone. I'd like to point out this lovely little company called Games Workshop and their delightful assortment of miniature dolls. Also, I swear by God, if you people spoil the end of the Star Wars thread for me I shall be very cross with y'all.
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May 2, 2016 19:21
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Anderson Cooper posted:These are live images from atop the Lexcorp tower in downtown Metropolis. Military aircraft are on the scene. This .... thing ... emerged from the Kryptonian crash site just moments ago. Thankfully the workday is over and the downtown [core?] it's nearly empty. Army personnel posted:- Projectile one, impact Strykers island, east of Metropolis quote:Wonder Woman - Why did you bring him back to the city?
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May 2, 2016 19:22
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Jenny Angel posted:That's the big difference between how Batman v Superman and Age of Ultron handle their respective "don't worry guys, nobody got hurt" scenes: one of them proposes that the presence of a superheroic figure might inspire us to reconfigure our societies such that catastrophic loss is less a part of the expected equation, while the other proposes that civilian populations might develop some kind of antibiotic resistance to requests to please not stand over here because we're about to blow the entire poo poo up "90% of people believe in a higher power and every religion believes in some sort of messianic figure.. and when this "savior"* character actually comes to Earth we want to make him abide by our rules? We have to understand this is a paradigm shift, we have to start thinking beyond politics." *Pundit uses air quotes
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May 2, 2016 19:27
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Equeen posted:What? Obi-Wan had no issue fighting Vader right before letting himself get killed to motivate Luke. Even in death, Obi-Wan urged Luke to kill Vader, not to turn away from aggression. BravestOfTheLamps posted:Letting yourself get killed is suicide.  Edit: oh poo poo, it just occurred to me that people might only be familiar with the Special Editions where Lucas edited in a scream when Luke fell at the end of Empire. LUCAS!!! 
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May 2, 2016 19:27
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Grendels Dad posted:I'd like to point out this lovely little company called Games Workshop and their delightful assortment of miniature dolls. They use the phrase "grim darkness" in their marketing slogan, which is what "grimdark" is specifically mocking. Not really a great example.
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May 2, 2016 19:27
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MacheteZombie posted:The line is: "This thing... emerged from the Kryptonian crash site just moments ago... Thankfully the workday is over and the downtown (next word I can't make out clearly) court/quarry/area is empty." Well hold on; that makes perfect sense. The Ground Zero memorial is a huge park in the middle of the city's financial district, and it is clearly empty - unlike earlier scenes that show lots of people wandering around. The buildings are obviously not empty, and that's why Batman makes an effort to lure the creature away. And the abandoned dockyard was set up earlier; it's the place Batman specifically chose to set up dozens of traps without being noticed, and where he could fight Superman while endangering few people. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:34 on May 2, 2016 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well hold on; that makes perfect sense. The Ground Zero memorial is a huge park in the middle of the city's financial district, and it is clearly empty - unlike earlier scenes that show lots of people wandering around. Doomsday is standing on LexCorp tower when the line is spoken (Shot is of Gal Gadot looking at the in flight tv news feed).
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