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MacheteZombie posted:This reads like one of those burns people make about a movie they didn't like. "The best part was the credits, because then it was over" Nah, the end notes and final author's comment (an illustrated essay on the nature of historical truth) are legit. edit: Jesus, just go read From Hell.
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HUNDU describes From Hell as a great work of true crime, and I've described it as such myself I think, but really the bulk of it is a postmodern novel based on one of many conspiracy theories; basically, From Hell is to Jack the Ripper as Don Delillo's Libra is to Lee Harvey Oswald. The endnotes, however, are where the actual true crime part kicks in, and then to top it off there's a second appendix where Eddie Campbell's fantastic art comes back in and him and Moore do a genuinely funny riff on conspiracy theories in general. It's a book that'll give you a lot to chew on. I still need to get around to reading the From Hell Companion Eddie Campbell did a few years ago (and also get around to finishing Alec and Bacchus; Moore of course gets all the credit but Campbell is a giant of graphic fiction in his own right) Edit: speaking of true crime graphic novels, I finally read My Friend Dahmer the other day and holy gently caress was it good, everyone read that one too
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May 3, 2016 21:19
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May 3, 2016 21:20
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I actually forgot all about From Hell Companion, I guess I have homework now too.
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May 3, 2016 21:21
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Burkion posted:Alan Moore has done some questionable things later in his life.
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May 3, 2016 21:42
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:HUNDU describes From Hell as a great work of true crime, and I've described it as such myself I think, but really the bulk of it is a postmodern novel based on one of many conspiracy theories; basically, From Hell is to Jack the Ripper as Don Delillo's Libra is to Lee Harvey Oswald. The endnotes, however, are where the actual true crime part kicks in, and then to top it off there's a second appendix where Eddie Campbell's fantastic art comes back in and him and Moore do a genuinely funny riff on conspiracy theories in general. Is it as good as Helter Skelter, if it is then I'm gonna rush out and buy it posthaste.
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May 3, 2016 21:49
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Shageletic posted:Is it as good as Helter Skelter, if it is then I'm gonna rush out and buy it posthaste. Shamefully, I've never read Helter Skelter. If we're talking true crime though, I'd compare it to Devil in the White City, both in terms of quality and in terms of its aims.
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May 3, 2016 22:01
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I'd say its far and away better than Devil in the White City, also I consider it in part a work of philosophy.
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May 3, 2016 22:08
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Danger posted:I'd say its far and away better than Devil in the White City, also I consider it in part a work of philosophy. Agreed on both counts but mostly because Larson isn't very good
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Agreed on both counts but mostly because Larson isn't very good It's funny because iirc what got penismightier to say he didn't like From Hell is he thought it was crazy I put it in the same league as Devil in the etc. I think both are great
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May 3, 2016 22:18
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Helter Skelter is insanely good.
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Gorn Myson posted:Such as? I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm genuinely curious. Even the stuff that made me think "what the gently caress?" like "Lost Girls" or the fact that he worships some weird snake statue, hes actually done a pretty good job of justifying in various interviews I've read and heard him in. I was speaking more generally- people have been, in circles I encounter, been quick to dismiss or criticize Moore for his more recent work, like Lost Girls and that one Lovecraft tale he did. I personally either can understand what he's going for, or genuinely enjoy it myself. I've just noticed a distressing trend among geek circles to turn on him for any perceived faults and discount his earlier works through that- which is why I brought up the comparison to Millar. Millar wishes he could be Moore. Millar wrote some good, if not over inflated in a few cases, work but then pretty much lost himself and let his uglier nature shine through into his work, and by this point I'm not sure he's actually made a sincere Batman story in decades. I haven't been keeping up with Dark Knight III, but The Dark Knight Strikes Again was total parody told completely straight faced, as was ASBAR. Too straight faced to laugh at, too ridiculous to take seriously, and too ugly to enjoy.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:It's funny because iirc what got penismightier to say he didn't like From Hell is he thought it was crazy I put it in the same league as Devil in the etc. Devil in the White City is going to be a great(ly advertised) late-November Oscar buzz film that people instantly forget about. Probably starring DiCaprio or maybe, like, Jude Law or something.
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Danger posted:Devil in the White City is going to be a great(ly advertised) late-November Oscar buzz film that people instantly forget about. Probably starring DiCaprio or maybe, like, Jude Law or something. P. sure DiCaprio is already cast. Movie might be poo poo but that won't hurt the book. The From Hell movie was poo poo too.
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May 3, 2016 22:40
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:P. sure DiCaprio is already cast. Sure. Just the idea screams 'Tom Hooper' Oscar vehicle.
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Burkion posted:I haven't been keeping up with Dark Knight III, but The Dark Knight Strikes Again was total parody told completely straight faced, as was ASBAR. Too straight faced to laugh at, too ridiculous to take seriously, and too ugly to enjoy. Dark Knight III is actually not bad so far, but from comments Miller's made, it seems like Brian Azzarello is doing most of the lifting for it.
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Danger posted:Sure. Just the idea screams 'Tom Hooper' Oscar vehicle. Scorsese was attached at one point I think. I can't see Tom Hooper doing a serial killer movie.
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Chairman Capone posted:Dark Knight III is actually not bad so far, but from comments Miller's made, it seems like Brian Azzarello is doing most of the lifting for it. Well yeah, not to be unkind but the guy looks like a prisoner in his own body.
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Gorn Myson posted:Such as? I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm genuinely curious. Even the stuff that made me think "what the gently caress?" like "Lost Girls" or the fact that he worships some weird snake statue, hes actually done a pretty good job of justifying in various interviews I've read and heard him in. Quite a few of his recent stories have been "You know what Lovecraft was missing? Lots and lots of rape.". Neonomicon, The Courtyard, Providence. Like I wouldn't think "Lovecraft, but with more rape" was a particularly deep well, but by God he finds a way to keep going back to it.
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Boogaleeboo posted:Quite a few of his recent stories have been "You know what Lovecraft was missing? Lots and lots of rape.". Neonomicon, The Courtyard, Providence. Like I wouldn't think "Lovecraft, but with more rape" was a particularly deep well, but by God he finds a way to keep going back to it. The thing is, like, there was already a lot of rape in Lovecraft. It's kind of like being appalled at an adaptation of, say, Alice In Wonder Land addressing drug use or pedophilia. Those aren't great but the themes are very much there in the original text. I'm just happy Moore didn't try to use it to explore the REASON why Lovecraft had the rapey stuff- namely Lovecraft's very awful racism. But that's where death of the author comes in handy! drat you Lovecraft and your hilariously neurotic mess of a mind
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Burkion posted:I was speaking more generally- people have been, in circles I encounter, been quick to dismiss or criticize Moore for his more recent work, like Lost Girls and that one Lovecraft tale he did. Dunno about the Lovecraft interpretations, but I'm not taking an opinion on that until I've read it and built an idea of what he was going for.
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Lost Girls is nowhere near what its reputation would suggest.
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Are you guys talking about Mark Millar or Frank Miller? You keep using both last names and I'm lost.
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Marvel did a survey and found out that an "overwhelming" number of respondents wants a Black Widow movie. I'm honestly surprised it's not happening sooner (maybe because Perlmutter was in charge?).
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Gyges posted:Are you guys talking about Mark Millar or Frank Miller? You keep using both last names and I'm lost. Frank, it's hard to talk about Millar longer than a page.
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TMNT2 trailer new https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sf0ZQfcSrc
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Frank, it's hard to talk about Millar longer than a page. I'll defend like half of Millar's stuff, and even the bad or mediocre stuff is often interesting. Who else would do a comic where Joe Biden is the former leader of a satanic biker gang and Ghost Rider is on a mission to take him out?
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The MSJ posted:Marvel did a survey and found out that an "overwhelming" number of respondents wants a Black Widow movie. I'm honestly surprised it's not happening sooner (maybe because Perlmutter was in charge?). I keep saying this... not here, mind you, but... Make a Widow movie with Taskmaster as the villain.
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The MSJ posted:Marvel did a survey and found out that an "overwhelming" number of respondents wants a Black Widow movie. I'm honestly surprised it's not happening sooner (maybe because Perlmutter was in charge?). Well, it's not like it's going to make anything in merchandising since girls don't buy boy toys.
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The MSJ posted:Marvel did a survey and found out that an "overwhelming" number of respondents wants a Black Widow movie. I'm honestly surprised it's not happening sooner (maybe because Perlmutter was in charge?). Perlmutter was definitely responsible. The Sony hack revealed emails of him arguing against it: Isaac Perlmutter posted:Michael, https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/121981 Corek fucked around with this message at 01:18 on May 4, 2016 |
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Corek posted:Perlmutter was definitely responsible. The Sony hack revealed emails of him arguing against it: Rich loser with no friends. Make it the Black Widow/Agent Carter buddy cop movie we've all been waiting for.
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May 4, 2016 01:35
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Burkion posted:Alan Moore has done some questionable things later in his life. Moore also did this book where this superman analogue met the concept of imagination who was just the head of Jack Kirby I prefer Neil Gaiman even though he can't really tell an ending and the artwork of later Sandman is pretty bad. But drat it hob gadling and Fiddler's Green are two of my favorite characters in ficition
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In-universe X-Men games.   Shirtless. Muscular. Cyborg. Glowing eyes. Giant gun. No feet. Hmmm....
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The MSJ posted:TMNT2 trailer new Only one spot so far has shown Krang's brain jar.
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The MSJ posted:Marvel did a survey and found out that an "overwhelming" number of respondents wants a Black Widow movie. I'm honestly surprised it's not happening sooner (maybe because Perlmutter was in charge?). Wouldn't shock me if it goes where Inhumans was scheduled.
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HIJK posted:Rich loser with no friends. Make it the Black Widow/Agent Carter buddy cop movie we've all been waiting for. I still like trotting out the fact that the only publicly known photo of Perlmutter is from 1985.
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Corek posted:I still like trotting out the fact that the only publicly known photo of Perlmutter is from 1985. Marvel's Miscavige.
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