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May 4, 2016 11:04
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Big Willy Style posted:Oh yeah, I don't think anybody posted about NSW Greens MP John Kaye dying of cancer recently. Sucks big time but when Mike Baird asked if he could do anything for him he told him to stop gutting TAFE. Lmao
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May 4, 2016 11:17
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I've only now just noticed the tiny Bugs Bunny pushing QLD away.
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May 4, 2016 11:34
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yup, without a majority in parliament Labor alone did all those things. By themselves. Without any other votes or support. Big Willy Style posted:Which party did Gillard form government with? I obviously wasn't paying attention. #Greenstakingcreditforthings We relied on a Green vote in the lower house to form Government. The Greens weren't in the party room, nor in cabinet, where ALP policy is decided. No Greens were Ministers. Nice try though.
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May 4, 2016 11:49
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Tim Mander looks like he has the numbers, and there's chatter in the Branches about him. Especially in The Gap & Ashgrove, you know, who made the REAL SMART DECISION to install Campbell Newman.
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May 4, 2016 12:06
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EvilElmo posted:#Greenstakingcreditforthings This is hilarious.
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May 4, 2016 12:13
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uh all we relied on was the greens to do anything
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May 4, 2016 12:16
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if the day before the election everyone in the alp was lost to us in a tragic note checking accident and you couldn't vote for them any more would you vote for the greens or the libs
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May 4, 2016 12:21
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Seagull posted:uh all we relied on was the greens to do anything Just because you vote for legislation, doesn't mean you designed or implemented it. Adam just moved over a few rows in Parliament when he needed to. Greens aren't responsible for any of the legislation throughout the term, they just voted for it. Seagull posted:if the day before the election everyone in the alp was lost to us in a tragic note checking accident and you couldn't vote for them any more would you vote for the greens or the libs Unlike the posters here, I will actually answer the question. I would vote Green if the ALP vanished tomorrow. edit: In the ACT the Greens get my #1 Senate vote to improve their chance of picking up the Liberal Senate seat here. Last election they ran a poo poo candidate, this time around they have a much better candidate. But like Greens across Australia, the average age of members is about 70, they don't doorknock, they set up a few community stalls and letterbox. No phonebanking or layered voter contact. Zed is a weak candidate and doesn't reflect the (small l) Liberals that make up most of the conservative vote. He should go this election, he attached himself to Abbott and should get punished at the ballot. He hardly got in at the last election, even though he was a very popular opposition leader at the Territory election. A poo poo candidate and bad campaigning made them miss out. Let's see if they can improve this time around. EvilElmo fucked around with this message at 12:30 on May 4, 2016 |
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May 4, 2016 12:25
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Brayds2006 posted:I've only now just noticed the tiny Bugs Bunny pushing QLD away. huh, how about that.
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May 4, 2016 12:30
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Australians calling Centrelink are being warned to expect to wait a whole lot longer next year. Budget papers confirm the department that manages the social security behemoth will lose about 810 staff next year and face funding cuts of $80 million. Welfare advocates are worried the cuts will only compound the 22 million Centrelink calls that went unanswered last year. "How is an efficiency dividend going to fix that?" Welfare Rights Centre spokesman Gerard Thomas said to AAP on Wednesday. Centrelink has been beset by a blow-out in call waiting times and has recently been struggling to cope with applications for study payments, leaving dozens of students in hardship. Opposition human services spokesman Doug Cameron says Centrelink's problems are about to get a whole lot worse. He believes the cuts will only further sour the public's relationship with government services. "Malcolm Turnbull's budget means the service delivery standards in Centrelink, Medicare and Child Support are about to go into freefall," he said. Comment has been sought from Human Services Minister Alan Tudge.
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May 4, 2016 12:31
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EvilElmo posted:Unlike the posters here, I will actually answer the question. I would vote Green if the ALP vanished tomorrow. God you're such a fuckhead. No one here's a tree tory.
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May 4, 2016 12:36
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:God you're such a fuckhead. No one here's a tree tory. Yet, nobody answers if they'd prefer the ALP to have Green policy and always in opposition or Liberal policy and in Government.
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May 4, 2016 12:37
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Treasurer Scott Morrison has declared an end to class warfare in Australian politics during his post-budget sales pitch, saying voters were "over the us and them" approach to governing. ITT a white man of privelege tells the oppressed being uppity no longer exists.
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May 4, 2016 12:37
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May 4, 2016 12:39
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Because it's a stupid question. You're building into the scenario that Liberal lite policy is the only way to win government for the ALP. e: As you've just said, even a rusted on Labor voter like yourself would switch to the Greens if the ALP were to disappear.
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May 4, 2016 12:40
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EvilElmo posted:Yet, nobody answers if they'd prefer the ALP to have Green policy and always in opposition or Liberal policy and in Government. no one here wants either
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May 4, 2016 12:42
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EvilElmo posted:Yet, nobody answers if they'd prefer the ALP to have Green policy and always in opposition or Liberal policy and in Government. If the ALP followed Liberal policy then who would give a gently caress which one is in government? Of course you're just talking about refugees so let me say that there's plenty of room to be more humane in regards to refugees while still performing the ever important job of stopping the boats.
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May 4, 2016 12:42
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As I've said many times. Polling really does disagree that there are other options for asylum seekers at the moment.
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May 4, 2016 12:44
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EvilElmo posted:Unlike the posters here, I will actually answer the question. I would vote Green if the ALP vanished tomorrow. We have answered this question. Many of us, multiple times, actually. For your sake, since you're slow, I think I'll state mine more explicitly: I almost always put Greens at 1 in either house. ALP tends to get 2 in the reps, but in the senate (keep in mind going from South Australia's, so the maximum number is about 70-something) Labor tend to be somewhere in the teens, with minor parties that have pretty good core platforms going between them. Liberals in the meantime languish somewhere in the 60s, only just ahead of parties like Family First. Yes, I am the type to number the whole senate sheet. It actually gets fun once you're in the middle stretch. EvilElmo posted:Yet, nobody answers if they'd prefer the ALP to have Green policy and always in opposition or Liberal policy and in Government. The former, because I would prefer to have those policies actually stood by. I loving hate the Liberals, but it's not because I want to punch Christopher Pyne in the face and shout profanity at Corey Bernardi until the sheer force of my voice rips the skin from his body*. I'm voting for other people because I don't want Liberal policy to be law. *The only member of the LNP I wouldn't want to enact some form of violence against is Abbott, and that's not because he doesn't deserve it; he just seems the most liikely to hit back.
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May 4, 2016 12:45
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EvilElmo posted:But like Greens across Australia, the average age of members is about 70, they don't doorknock, they set up a few community stalls and letterbox. No phonebanking or layered voter contact. Lets just sit back and marvel at this post for a minute shall we?
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May 4, 2016 12:48
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Frogmanv2 posted:Lets just sit back and marvel at this post for a minute shall we? It would explain why in the progressive area in Australia, you have 1 member in Parliament.
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May 4, 2016 12:49
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EvilElmo posted:edit: In the ACT the Greens get my #1 Senate vote to improve their chance of picking up the Liberal Senate seat here. Last election they ran a poo poo candidate, this time around they have a much better candidate. But like Greens across Australia, the average age of members is about 70, they don't doorknock, they set up a few community stalls and letterbox. No phonebanking or layered voter contact. Zed is a weak candidate and doesn't reflect the (small l) Liberals that make up most of the conservative vote. He should go this election, he attached himself to Abbott and should get punished at the ballot. He hardly got in at the last election, even though he was a very popular opposition leader at the Territory election. A poo poo candidate and bad campaigning made them miss out. Let's see if they can improve this time around. I hate to go all local factors, but last election (particularly early in the campaign) you couldn't swing a cat in Canberra without knocking down five Simon Sheikh signs (and as the former head of GetUp he was pretty high profile); and Zed was dealing with the (deserved) reputation of having knifed the popular Gary Humphreys in a cynical bid for federal politics having failed at the Terrritory elections. Edit: You're not wrong that Zed is a terrible candidate and representative, though.
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May 4, 2016 12:49
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EvilElmo posted:It would explain why in the progressive area in Australia, you have 1 member in Parliament. Its completely wrong, but dont let that stop you from spinning it into something that suits your narrative.
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May 4, 2016 12:51
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EvilElmo posted:As I've said many times. Polling really does disagree that there are other options for asylum seekers at the moment. the gently caress is this?
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May 4, 2016 12:53
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:the gently caress is this? Elmo being a torture apologist.
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May 4, 2016 12:54
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Gorbash posted:I hate to go all local factors, but last election (particularly early in the campaign) you couldn't swing a cat in Canberra without knocking down five Simon Sheikh signs (and as the former head of GetUp he was pretty high profile); and Zed was dealing with the (deserved) reputation of having knifed the popular Gary Humphreys in a cynical bid for federal politics having failed at the Terrritory elections. Signs don't do anything. They're there to make party faithful but they have the least impact on voter behaviour. Frogmanv2 posted:Its completely wrong, but dont let that stop you from spinning it into something that suits your narrative. Feel free to point out the doorknocking that's happened in the ACT in the last 5 months? When they last phonebanked? PaletteSwappedNinja posted:the gently caress is this? You can't implement policy from opposition. 20% of the Green vote believes the Government is doing the right thing, or isn't being tough enough. The vast majority (61%) of Australia also share that view. This was from a polling agency (essential) that is typically has slightly lefter result. EvilElmo fucked around with this message at 12:56 on May 4, 2016 |
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May 4, 2016 12:54
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EvilElmo posted:As I've said many times. Polling really does disagree that there are other options for asylum seekers at the moment. I didn't say you need to take other options. Just making sure they're treated more humanely while under detention would be a nice start.
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May 4, 2016 12:55
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EvilElmo posted:As I've said many times. Polling really does disagree that there are other options for asylum seekers at the moment. And hey, if you mount a campaign to change that opinion, then the polling changes, and you don't have to rape children! The worst bit is the loving arrogance of the alp to think that the voters mind can't be changed with a successful campaign. It's the voters fault that manus exists, not the politicians who loving poo poo themselves when murdoch went "boo". Then you take that mindset and convince yourselves "that's the way things are" when you take massive bribes and are thankful for scraps when the boss committee lets you vote your own way on the Bill to Give Children one Free Ice Cream a Year (amendment to remove first-generation australians from the ice cream list) Second Reading Pissweak coward you are, gently caress off the alp and also an especial gently caress you to chris bowen for his crimes against male grooming.
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May 4, 2016 12:57
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asio posted:And hey, if you mount a campaign to change that opinion, then the polling changes, and you don't have to rape children! Agree on the last part. The Greens have been trying to change perceptions, yet 20% of your own voter base want the current arrangements or something tougher. Not even your full base agree. If you can't even get Green voters on side, it's going to be a very difficult battle, over many years, dedicated to only changing minds in marginal seats for it not to be an election issue. All the hard work on a positive campaign, where the Government is only talking about this single issue over the life of a Parliament is impossible. Other issues will come up and a scare campaign by the Liberals will scrap any progress. It happened after Rudd got rid of the pacific solution.
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May 4, 2016 13:02
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EvilElmo posted:Agree on the last part. If you think it's too difficult maybe you should consider alternative activities to occupy your time 
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May 4, 2016 13:04
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EvilElmo posted:Agree on the last part. Remind us again who scrapped all that progress because they were scared they'd lose government?
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May 4, 2016 13:05
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The polling in question: http://www.essentialvision.com.au/tag/approach-to-asylum-seekers edit: Can't find anything more recently on just this issue. Happy to share if you have other polling. WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Remind us again who scrapped all that progress because they were scared they'd lose government? The ALP, because they were going to lost Government? Scroll down the above link and see how much the population wanted boats stopped. asio posted:If you think it's too difficult maybe you should consider alternative activities to occupy your time The Federal Government is responsible for more than immigration policy. EvilElmo fucked around with this message at 13:11 on May 4, 2016 |
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May 4, 2016 13:06
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EvilElmo posted:The polling in question: http://www.essentialvision.com.au/tag/approach-to-asylum-seekers Maybe that 20% of Greens have the same ridiculous idea that it's a necessary policy for the ALP to keep government.  If the ALP are too cowardly to try and convince voters that it's a terrible policy they should ask the Hague to investigate members of both sides of government for crimes against humanity. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 13:15 on May 4, 2016 |
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May 4, 2016 13:09
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EvilElmo posted:Feel free to point out the doorknocking that's happened in the ACT in the last 5 months? When they last phonebanked? Im not up 100% on the ACT greens activites, but I can tell you, without any trace of doubt, that phone banking happens in other states, along with a shitload of doorknocking. Admittedly there isnt too much letterboxing going on, because apparently its not that effective a tactic, but to state "like Greens across Australia, the average age of members is about 70, they don't doorknock, they set up a few community stalls and letterbox. No phonebanking or layered voter contact." is just hilariously wrong.
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May 4, 2016 13:25
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we dont want to have to deal with CAAAARP no we don't want to deal with CAAARP we gotta get rid of the CAAARP
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May 4, 2016 13:39
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I would literally torture children for political gain.
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May 4, 2016 15:07
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-04/asbestos-laden-products-being-imported-in-australia/7385122quote:Glaring weaknesses in regulations and border protection issues are allowing building products contaminated with potentially deadly asbestos into Australia, a Senate committee has warned. Boarder security: Stopping brown people from getting into the country is more important than stopping Australian's from being killed by asbestos. Look at how loving piss weak those fines are.
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Frogmanv2 posted:Im not up 100% on the ACT greens activites, but I can tell you, without any trace of doubt, that phone banking happens in other states, along with a shitload of doorknocking. Admittedly there isnt too much letterboxing going on, because apparently its not that effective a tactic, but to state "like Greens across Australia, the average age of members is about 70, they don't doorknock, they set up a few community stalls and letterbox. No phonebanking or layered voter contact." is just hilariously wrong. I know of at least three different doorknocking and three different phone banking initiatives by the Greens in the last fortnight or so, and at least one happening this week, just in my electorate and the ones immediately close to mine. I'd say the average age would be similar to that of the ALP ones I hear about--admittedly I know a lot of Young ALP/Young Greens so my immediate sample might skew the numbers a bit. but you're definitely full of poo poo on this front EvilElmo
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