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Mithranderp posted:I know of at least three different doorknocking and three different phone banking initiatives by the Greens in the last fortnight or so, and at least one happening this week, just in my electorate and the ones immediately close to mine. I'd say the average age would be similar to that of the ALP ones I hear about--admittedly I know a lot of Young ALP/Young Greens so my immediate sample might skew the numbers a bit. Certainly explains the low voter turn out in electorates where the most conservative suburb still has 1/3 Labor vote. edit: The Greens have a tiny, tiny membership and no union/business backing. Where are you guys getting the volunteers to run 3 door knocks and 3 phone banking sessions in a fortnight? Methinks you're making up numbers now. The candidate and 1 other doesn't really count.
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EvilElmo posted:Certainly explains the low voter turn out in electorates where the most conservative suburb still has 1/3 Labor vote. You'd be surprised at the support that the Greens have in the inner-city electorates. Last state election (2015, Qld) my electorate got <20% of the primary vote, with numbers hovering around 15-22% in electorates near mine. There are also a lot of strongly dedicated supporters who will be able to go doorknocking/phonebanking in a number of different electorates, not just their own. Especially the younger ones, much like with the young ALP supporters I know.
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# ? May 4, 2016 15:39 |
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Pretty sure the ETU backs the Greens now after saying goodbye to Labour.
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# ? May 4, 2016 15:39 |
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We (The Greens) door knock and call plenty of people, with teams much larger than 3. We just don't call you or knock on your door because we don't like you. Also I'm 30, not ~70.
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Also I expect (though I have no actual data to support this, this is purely my own observation) that the percentage of Greens supporters/voters who are directly involved in campaigns for their party is much higher than for LibLab
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Mithranderp posted:Also I expect (though I have no actual data to support this, this is purely my own observation) that the percentage of Greens supporters/voters who are directly involved in campaigns for their party is much higher than for LibLab We had a pretty low turnout at the May Day march this year... ...because everyone was out door knocking instead
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Mithranderp posted:You'd be surprised at the support that the Greens have in the inner-city electorates. Last state election (2015, Qld) my electorate got <20% of the primary vote, with numbers hovering around 15-22% in electorates near mine. There are also a lot of strongly dedicated supporters who will be able to go doorknocking/phonebanking in a number of different electorates, not just their own. Especially the younger ones, much like with the young ALP supporters I know. at the 2013 federal election, Palmer united got 15% of the vote in Qld and I think the only thing they did was ads with Clive's fat face what I'm saying is people vote non 2P as a protest
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:I would literally torture children for political gain. Which prominent federal politician are you?
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# ? May 4, 2016 17:02 |
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GoldStandardConure posted:We (The Greens) door knock and call plenty of people, with teams much larger than 3. Can you really claim an age when you're the ship of Theseus
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Skellybones posted:Which prominent federal politician are you? Henry J. Waternoose III.
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# ? May 4, 2016 17:06 |
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So what's going on with this boat that arrived at cocos Can't even stop the boats, what a loser Malcolm Turnbull is.
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# ? May 4, 2016 17:14 |
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If elected, bill shorten will personally set all asylum seekers on fire.
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# ? May 4, 2016 17:18 |
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Negligent posted:If elected, bill shorten will personally set all asylum seekers on fire. Now that's innovation
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# ? May 4, 2016 17:25 |
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Negligent posted:If elected, bill shorten will personally set all asylum seekers on fire. Daily Telegraph - Bill Shorten doesn't care about carbon emissions.
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# ? May 4, 2016 23:32 |
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EvilElmo posted:But like Greens across Australia, the average age of members is about 70 EvilElmo posted:Methinks you're making up numbers now.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:I would literally torture children for political gain. Yeah but the other guys would torture them too so
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Mithranderp posted:
Ftfy
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# ? May 5, 2016 00:05 |
EvilElmo posted:Agree on the last part. "unless 100% of the base agree with something, then it's not an issue? " Wrap it up folks, politics is over. It might be fairer Elmo to just ask people to vote labour 1 greens 2 libs 800, as that's what it looks like to me. The majority of the thread hate them as much as you do, but don't want to reward labour with a 1 given their unceasing support for torturing asylum seekers. The best you will see is greens 1, labour 2, libs 800.
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New senate voting rules means it's Greens 1, Labor 2, LNP [this space intentionally left blank]
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Amoeba102 posted:New senate voting rules means it's Greens 1, Labor 2, LNP [this space intentionally left blank] I would have thought that exhausting your vote wouldn't be the best solution. Giving the last seat to the coalition is probably worse than one extra crazy in the senate
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# ? May 5, 2016 00:23 |
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I'd just leave off the LNP and people worse than the LNP. If you go to extremes, you can find cases of worse options than the LNP. One Nation or any neofascists.
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# ? May 5, 2016 00:27 |
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Nothing makes my morning than watching the remains of the Neman Government tear itself apart.
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# ? May 5, 2016 00:30 |
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NTEU (Best Union) has supported the Greens the last few elections
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# ? May 5, 2016 00:51 |
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https://twitter.com/murpharoo/status/727983514851811328 loving hell, the "Member for Rio Tinto" lines were just meant to be jokes, not suggestions.
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# ? May 5, 2016 00:54 |
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Has this thread discussed the Shapes recipe change?
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https://twitter.com/a_rigby/status/728011362631188480
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# ? May 5, 2016 01:04 |
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While I'm opening this up to criticism here, two of my friends and I have recently started a podcast about auspol given there are very few others that we could find beyond the official ABC one etc. I sit on the Left, one of my buddies is a dirty Lib and the other is a man on the street who we're constantly trying to sway. In the latest episode we talked about the end of Brownyn Bishop, erotic novels and Waleed Aly. The second episode has better sound quality than the first. Two more updates are coming soon this week, and we're going to be updating to a regular schedule. https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/continuity-and-change/id1109792474 https://continuityandchange.libsyn.com/
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EvilElmo posted:Yet, nobody answers if they'd prefer the ALP to have Green policy and always in opposition or Liberal policy and in Government. Are you getting paid by the ALP? If you are they deserve their money back. Lid posted:Treasurer Scott Morrison has declared an end to class warfare in Australian politics during his post-budget sales pitch, saying voters were "over the us and them" approach to governing. http://www.afr.com/news/politics/budget-2016-class-warfare-will-ruin-the-country-scott-morrison-20160504-golopo quote:Budget 2016: Class warfare will ruin the country: Scott Morrison by Phillip Coorey If we weren't so full of cake we might be building the barricades right now. This budget is actually worse than NTATA and Hockey's one because it manages to seem reasonable at first glance but: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-05/economist-scathing-of-tasmanian-world-heritage-area-funding/7385496 quote:Top economist surprised by lack of future Tasmanian World Heritage Area funding By Richard Baines Updated about 2 hours ago Global warming -> Fire Old Growth wanted by furniture industry -> Neglect it till it doesn't qualify as a Heritage area Shades of the (once was a) GBR. But why stop the kicking just when your leg was just getting warmed up? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-05/calls-for-government-to-address-indigenous-suicide/7380448 quote:Government urged to address 'epidemic' Indigenous suicide rates in remote Australia By the National Reporting Team's Natasha Robinson Posted about 3 hours ago http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-04/bishop-says-she-stood-down-as-speaker-to-protect-tony-abbott/7384634 Choppergate's final farce. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-05/islamic-state-recruiter-neil-prakash-killed-in-us-air-strike/7385078 Ex judicial killings now AOK apparently. Even little girls. I know a few troubled teens who could do with a good dose of airbourne vengeance. How do I get onto the sweet sweet slaughter band wagon?
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Has anyone in the media seriously and specifically called out the repeated assertion of 80k as middle income? Because SloMo kept saying middle income over and over and over and over and over in his mini presser this morning and it makes my loving blood boil because surely if it's middle income I should know a few people who earn that much Better yet has anyone asked him how his brain handles the cognitive dissonance of $80k as "middle income" when the pension tops out at just under $23k per single and newstart allowance tops out at just under $14k ($15k if they have children such generosity!) for a single. I don't even think the people holding the loving microphones at these events earn $80k
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80k is pretty much the average full time income according to the ABS sorry you don't know anyone that has a job Try getting one it's really great
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From some site from 2013, so a little outdated: What is the typical Australian worker’s wages? Among full-time workers, the average wage is $72 800 per year. But remember – the average (ie. the mean) gives a misleading impression about what the typical worker earns. It is pushed upwards by the large salaries of a small number of very high income earners. The median gives a more accurate sense of the typical worker’s wages. If you earn the median salary, your wage is in the middle of the distribution – it’s higher than 50% of workers and lower than the other 50%. Among full-time workers, the median was $57 400 in August 2011, which is the most recent figure. Even this figure, though, is a little higher than the typical worker’s wage. That’s because it doesn’t include the 3.5 million people who work part time. When you bring them into the fold, the average wage drops to $56 300, and the median drops to $46 900.
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Negligent posted:80k is pretty much the average full time income according to the ABS Now explain the difference between average and median, you imbecile.
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Kat Delacour posted:Has anyone in the media seriously and specifically called out the repeated assertion of 80k as middle income? Because SloMo kept saying middle income over and over and over and over and over in his mini presser this morning and it makes my loving blood boil because surely if it's middle income I should know a few people who earn that much If someone called them out they'd probably site the ABS median household income, which was $80,704 in 2013-14. quote:While there is some good data on household incomes by organisations such as the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling, every two years the Australian Bureau of Statistics releases its survey of Household Income and Wealth. Buuuut... quote:As you might imagine, these figures are a bit misleading. quote:It’s a bit hard to work out what you’d need to earn before tax to hit that median, assuming your income comes via work and not government benefits, which is rarely the case. But for a single person to take home $43,836 after income tax and the Medicare levy has been paid, they’d need to be on about $53,800.
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Median and average are both perfectly fine measures of central tendency to support a statement that 80k is middle income
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Negligent posted:
mean =/= median. Sorry you don't know anyone who finished year 10 Mathematics. Zenithe fucked around with this message at 02:24 on May 5, 2016 |
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Frogmanv2 posted:Now explain the difference between average and median, you imbecile. According to the google search I just made, $80K is also the median. It's surprisingly hard to find good sources though so I'd be happy if you can prove me wrong.
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Frogmanv2 posted:Now explain the difference between average and median, you imbecile.
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Zenithe posted:mean =/= median. Sorry you don't know anyone who finished year 10 Mathematics. Stop saying this stupid poo poo if you don't have the numbers to back it up.
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This is from 2011. Pretty interesting.
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Amethyst posted:According to the google search I just made, $80K is also the median. It's surprisingly hard to find good sources though so I'd be happy if you can prove me wrong. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6310.0 Median is 83% of mean if the ratio is the same, meaning $66,660 is the median compared to the $80,000 average at the moment
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