Zephyrine posted:

A majority of people who read this thread are regular goons thinking "This game sounds interesting. Let's see what's going on in thi OH DEAR GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVE GOONS!?"

Then they flee and never return.

Zephyrine posted:

A majority of people who read this thread are regular goons thinking "This game sounds interesting. Let's see what's going on in thi OH DEAR GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVE GOONS!?"

Then they flee and never return.

cravius posted:

So I see a common thread where dudes like Venom complain that those leaving don't stay and try and reform GSF from within. How exactly do you see that reform happening? I'm too lazy to go dig it up but I remember a Mittens post talking about how it's easier to just get rid of dissenters than address their complaints. (I think this was the post about how truegoons go fuckgoons) anyway, what's an average line member gonna do? It's not like we can vote the current leadership out. It's pretty frustrating so a lot of guys just leave to a better cultural fit.

vyst posted:

Look at this scrub that doesn't know his hammer history

VideoGames posted:

I am sad for this thread currently.

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

bullshit, everyone not a recent reg has already tried eve and said HOLY poo poo THIS GAME SUCKS and rightly moved on

and it was recovering till you dropped this bullshit

goninzo posted:

Setting up a new corp in Eve Online, a Kismeteer primer:

First of all, congrats on your new corporation. RIP your social life if it gets popular.

Secondly, make sure you OWN the corp forever. Immediately give yourself the shares or make new ones, max amount is good. you also want to decide a couple key things, like what to put in your corp description. Small corps tend to do a public channel to help talk to people in a group to an individual or anyone looking for details on you. I also recommend making a clear person in charge of external contacts so it isn't just always the CEO, as some CEOs are famous for not logging in.

Third, decide where you're going to live and what you're going to do. What you do is easy. Picking your system is a hard process. For those doing mining, reprocessing and having plentiful things to mine is a good thing. Lots of belts with low mining population is good. Having a station with reprocessing is good. Having a good undock on that station is good. Having a free moon without having to do a war dec to kill an offline pos is good. These are all things that are hard to plan initially, but once you have your place, it's all good. Good news is that if it all goes pear shaped, pubbie hauling is cheap and plentiful, though not always reliable.

Fourth, if you want to give people access through titles. You want to setup titles that are tied to roles, not just give roles themselves. You can remove a role from a title with two button clicks, removing all roles from individuals is time consuming In particular, you generally will set different tier of roles for different people. For a base miner, they might need visibility into a certain hanger. This can be added by giving them 'view'. Realize that once you give someone roles, they cannot be removed from the group for 24 hours, minimum. So don't be completely cavalier about it.

Once you have that person mining for the corp for awhile, you can also give them rights to 'access' a can. You should make this a separate title. Using titles means that you can easily see that person's rights by just being logged in. You can also give them individual titles like Config Equipment, allowing them to drop bubbles for the corp, or more complete access like Config Starbase Equipment, which gives them complete POS control, or Station Manager, which allows them to rent and control offices or outposts.

When you REALLY REALLY trust someone, you can give them Full Director. Directors can do everything that a CEO can. Including stealing the corp if you don't secure the shares. A director are also the only one that give titles to other people.

Finally, you want to setup the hangers to accommodate your lifestyle. You want a hanger for just the CEO and full directors, goons use one called Taxes. You want one for newbie ships if you're going to do that, Goons used Mentors. And then you want one for your general 'purpose', maybe Mining.

In those hangers, you want, whenever possible, to use containers to track who is moving what, where. I prefer Station Warehouses, they cost 2 mil isk and hold 100 mil m^3 , but you can also use a Station Container which costs 20k to hold 1 mil m^3, or Station Vault Container which costs 200k to hold 10 mil m^3. You will fill the second two, but filling the first one takes a bit of doing. These you can set Passwords on if you want, and that way, people can only drop stuff into these containers if they don't know the password. If they do know it, then they can pull stuff out. You can also configure the containers to lock when things are dropped in. And you have an audit log to see what they added and removed. If you put ships in any of these, they cannot be put into containers UNLESS they are repackaged.

Anyway, the 101 'how to setup your mining corp' that I did for VG because I like helping people.

Unfunny Poster posted:

I don't listen to low tier rappers like him.

Zephyrine posted:

When 3 days later people were still making callouts when I entered the thread. It was getting obvious that I had to throw everything out there or leave the thread entirely. And I wasn't going to let the lot of you push me out of the thread to save you some embarrassment.

cravius posted:

So I see a common thread where dudes like Venom complain that those leaving don't stay and try and reform GSF from within. How exactly do you see that reform happening? I'm too lazy to go dig it up but I remember a Mittens post talking about how it's easier to just get rid of dissenters than address their complaints. (I think this was the post about how truegoons go fuckgoons) anyway, what's an average line member gonna do? It's not like we can vote the current leadership out. It's pretty frustrating so a lot of guys just leave to a better cultural fit.

Zephyrine posted:

When 3 days later people were still making callouts when I entered the thread. It was getting obvious that I had to throw everything out there or leave the thread entirely. And I wasn't going to let the lot of you push me out of the thread to save you some embarrassment.

VideoGames posted:

Have a screenshot of Boulder, thread

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

oh no you've grown so powerful you're blotting out a star

VideoGames posted:

I really enjoy the cool shadowy light behind the ship effects

VideoGames posted:

I really enjoy the cool shadowy light behind the ship effects

evilweasel posted:

I mean, you could start with saying what the reforms you want are, either in this thread or hit me up on jabber (if I ignore you though, it's likely that i'm on one computer and it went to the other so I may respond in a few hours). I am always happy to listen to complaints and address them if I can. Sometimes, there are people you can't make happy - either because what they want and what everyone else wants are incompatible, or because they're just kind of a shitler (and my guess is, that's what the mittens post you're thinking of is about) - but most of the time there's something that we can work on.

VideoGames posted:

Have a screenshot of Boulder, thread

Vando posted:

This thread feels like what a forum combining pro wrestlers and pro wrestling fans would be like.

evilweasel posted:

I mean, you could start with saying what the reforms you want are, either in this thread or hit me up on jabber (if I ignore you though, it's likely that i'm on one computer and it went to the other so I may respond in a few hours). I am always happy to listen to complaints and address them if I can. Sometimes, there are people you can't make happy - either because what they want and what everyone else wants are incompatible, or because they're just kind of a shitler (and my guess is, that's what the mittens post you're thinking of is about) - but most of the time there's something that we can work on.

Ad by Khad posted:

~I was there~

Seriously though helping VG out is pretty cool. We got your back, friend.

Zephyrine posted:

April Fool posted:

Other Barry posted:

We can associate with alleged doxxers and you can associate with neonazis and we can see who feels better at the end of the day

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

We should just all fly this cheerful fellow



He's got eyes and a smile and everything!

Dr. Pangloss posted:

For my part, I think we are missing the mark with the Fabian Strategy.

cravius posted:

So I see a common thread where dudes like Venom complain that those leaving don't stay and try and reform GSF from within. How exactly do you see that reform happening? I'm too lazy to go dig it up but I remember a Mittens post talking about how it's easier to just get rid of dissenters than address their complaints. (I think this was the post about how truegoons go fuckgoons) anyway, what's an average line member gonna do? It's not like we can vote the current leadership out. It's pretty frustrating so a lot of guys just leave to a better cultural fit.

ChickenWing posted:

Personally I don't see why people give so much of a poo poo about ~the leadership~ and ~the direction~ of goonwhatever. It is eminently possible to find a group of people you like Doing A Spaceship with in our big dumb coalition and then never poking your head outside that group again, all while remaining under the sheltering umbrella of all our established quality of life stuff.

Don't like space-TPS-reports? Don't get a spacejob (or, get a spacejob that doesn't require you to fill out space-tps-reports, which is most of them). e: additionally, don't be offended when you get purged from your spacejob for not actually doing your spacejob. Space-TPS-reports are one thing, getting a title and then promptly loving off while reveling in your newfound space-importance is another.

Don't like interceptor fleets? Do something with miniluv or badops foreign legion or just join a loving caracal fleet who cares? Hell, just grab a handful of friends in some kitchen sink bullshit and go look for a fight.

Don't like stuff like doxxing or *-ism? First, learn yourself with respect to what doxxing actually is because the definition some of you are working with is loving comical, then when something actually lovely happens holler and bleat about wherever you want it because people don't actually get purged for not ~bending the knee~ and probably there will be a bunch of Imperium folks who agree with you. (See: questionable blackops channels).

Unfunny Poster posted:

This was the same post made on BNI's director forums during their whole issue where their leadership drove out people who were useful because they couldn't handle criticism.

I hope you learn from this piece of information Venom Snake.

Venom Snake posted:

Thing is, I can't agree with this. Iv seen it work in EVE multiple times.


It's pretty easy to talk to directors these days with Elysium and just bothering to seek them out. And the reason I complain is I don't like it when valuable people leave, Id rather them stay and try to make a difference because leaving just makes it harder on all the people trying to fix poo poo. Although it's a video game and people are free to go and do what they want.

VideoGames posted:

I love how pretty this game is! I want to make lots of silly posters for RVCMF.

cravius posted:

Yes bitching in Elysium will effect change

VideoGames posted:

I love how pretty this game is! I want to make lots of silly posters for RVCMF.

cravius posted:

Yes bitching in Elysium will effect change

Siets posted:

I was tooling around on Sisi in C5 wormholes this morning and kept seeing Naglfar after Naglfar. I started chatting up one of the testers and he said that they figured out how to solo capital escalated C5 sites with Naglfars. They just have a couple buddies warp to the site to trigger the escalation and then they warp off while the Naglfar solos it. They can even blap the frigates all by themselves as long as they have a web fitted.



Soooo yeah. C5 residents are about to get Rich. As. gently caress.