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Gorson posted:I don't see what the problem is, looks like a normal Yup. Cooked mine on my Superhawk twice.
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May 7, 2016 11:59
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Ninja 1000 or VFR1200? Both can be had with low kms for under $10k CAD around here, I'd like it for commuting and touring two-up pretty frequently. I'm looking at these as they are on the sportier side of sport touring. The 2014+ VFR800s just don't have enough value in them for the asking price, goddamn they're overpriced.
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May 7, 2016 20:43
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VERTiG0 posted:Ninja 1000 or VFR1200? Both can be had with low kms for under $10k CAD around here, I'd like it for commuting and touring two-up pretty frequently. I'm looking at these as they are on the sportier side of sport touring. The 2014+ VFR800s just don't have enough value in them for the asking price, goddamn they're overpriced. vfr
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May 7, 2016 23:24
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May 8, 2016 00:13
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Both of you are crazy the VFR1200 is a garbage bike. Tiny gas tank, dumb transmission with unknown reliability, marginal gas mileage, fat and underpowered.
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May 8, 2016 01:09
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This 170hp motorcycle is underpowered!
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May 8, 2016 01:19
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PCOS Bill posted:This 170hp motorcycle is underpowered!
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May 8, 2016 01:25
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PCOS Bill posted:This 170hp motorcycle is underpowered! ~1275cc v4 putting out less than a 1000cc i4 by about 50 horsepower is pretty drat underpowered. It's also about 600 pounds. The ninja 1000 weighs almost 100 pounds less, puts out only 15hp less, and has pretty similar torque figures. You're gonna notice the lack of weight much more than you're gonna notice the extra HP.
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May 8, 2016 02:02
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He's really gonna regret losing that tenth of a second on the final lap.
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May 8, 2016 02:05
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PCOS Bill posted:He's really gonna regret losing that tenth of a second on the final lap. Street usability is a thing that suffers with weight.
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May 8, 2016 02:10
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Z3n posted:~1275cc v4 putting out less than a 1000cc i4 by about 50 horsepower is pretty drat underpowered. It's also about 600 pounds. The ninja 1000 weighs almost 100 pounds less, puts out only 15hp less, and has pretty similar torque figures. You're gonna notice the lack of weight much more than you're gonna notice the extra HP. Normal street tuned 1000cc i4s seriously put out 220hp?  I thought that was like motoGP range.
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May 8, 2016 03:16
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The faired z1000 blows the vfr into the weeds, the only reason you're even cross-shopping the two is because they both say sport tourer on paper. Very dissimilar bikes and, as mentioned, the honda has very little to recommend it. e: should mention the VFR is also loving gargantuan and much closer in reality to a concourse than a ninja Slavvy fucked around with this message at 03:19 on May 8, 2016 |
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May 8, 2016 03:17
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Sagebrush posted:Normal street tuned 1000cc i4s seriously put out 220hp? The S1000RR or R1 puts out 190+ HP. The VFR puts out 140. You do know how math works, right?
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May 8, 2016 03:40
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Nobody needs more than 130-140HP on a bike
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May 8, 2016 03:43
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HotCanadianChick posted:The S1000RR or R1 puts out 190+ HP. The VFR puts out 140. You do know how math works, right?
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May 8, 2016 03:49
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Instead of the VFR1200 take a look at Yamaha's FJR1300. I sat on a few that were out of my price range while I was shopping for bikes last and they're niiiiiiiice. But with only 150HP they may not hold up to scrutiny for a touring bike here.
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May 8, 2016 04:14
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PCOS Bill posted:Nobody needs more than 130-140HP on a bike What's "need" got to do with it? That said, I'm looking at a Honda CB1300 (if I can fit on it and paddle it around reasonably) which is both fat and has less horsepower than my Superhawk.
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May 8, 2016 04:15
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PCOS Bill posted:Nobody needs more than 130-140HP on a bike Need? want.
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May 8, 2016 04:21
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HotCanadianChick posted:The S1000RR or R1 puts out 190+ HP. The VFR puts out 140. You do know how math works, right? PCOS Bill said 170 right after the VFR post, so that's what I was going on. It seemed high for a VFR but 
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May 8, 2016 04:23
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Sagebrush posted:PCOS Bill said 170 right after the VFR post, so that's what I was going on. It seemed high for a VFR but The 1200 has 170 at the crank, 140 at the wheels, you know, drivetrain loss like every other vehicle on the planet.
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May 8, 2016 04:24
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PCOS Bill posted:Nobody needs more than 130-140HP on a bike Z3n's wording unfortunately put the spotlight on horsepower:displacement but the reality is that the viffer is a crap bike for a bunch of other reasons which would be acceptable if it had monster power to go with it's monstrous engine, but it doesn't.
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May 8, 2016 04:56
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http://austin.craigslist.org/mcy/5563910522.html That is some attractive tire tread. predictive fucked around with this message at 06:23 on May 8, 2016 |
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May 8, 2016 06:03
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May 8, 2016 06:35
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Nitrox posted:Yeah, but this is not a racetrack, where split seconds keep you off the pedestal. It's about adequacy and usability. Having more horsepower does not make it a better touring bike, it makes it a somewhat faster touring bike. Which is like priority number last, as far as touring goes. Modern bikes don't tend to suffer from peaky power like they did in the past for awhile - these days the design and metallurgy is so good, it's about modulating it and expanding usable RPMs so you get off the corner faster. A broader spread of RPM (because higher peak HP for a displacement almost always means higher RPM) also gives you more options for how you want to ride. The S1000XR engine (which is detuned from the RR) is completely usable, stomps all over something like the VFR, and is lighter. The VFR sits in a lot of categories as good enough, but if your bar is "good enough" you may as well get something that has a roof and some extra wheels and you certainly shouldn't spend 10k on it.
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May 8, 2016 06:41
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Z3n posted:Both of you are crazy the VFR1200 is a garbage bike. Tiny gas tank, dumb transmission with unknown reliability, marginal gas mileage, fat and underpowered. Well I wouldn't buy the DCT model, I'd have the normal manual gearbox version. I've heard the range sucks, but haven't seen anyone say it's underpowered before. PCOS Bill posted:Instead of the VFR1200 take a look at Yamaha's FJR1300. I sat on a few that were out of my price range while I was shopping for bikes last and they're niiiiiiiice. But with only 150HP they may not hold up to scrutiny for a touring bike here. I thought the FJR was more tour than sport? About 80% of my time is spent solo so I want to be able to throw the bike around. Z3n posted:The VFR sits in a lot of categories as good enough, but if your bar is "good enough" you may as well get something that has a roof and some extra wheels and you certainly shouldn't spend 10k on it. Without being able to try all of the bikes in that category I'm sure both of these things would blow me away.
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May 8, 2016 07:24
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PCOS Bill posted:Nobody needs more than 130-140HP on a bike 85hp still makes me poo poo my pants.
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May 8, 2016 07:39
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Are these reasonable options as a first bike? http://www.ridenowtricities.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=1991805&p=1&s=Year&d=D&t=preowned&fr=xPreOwnedInventory http://www.ridenowtricities.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=2020061&p=2&s=Year&d=D&t=preowned&fr=xPreOwnedInventory
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May 8, 2016 07:41
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Yeah. Get one with a Ryca kit though. Or don't. They're decent putt putt cruisers but they get a little wheezy on the highway.
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May 8, 2016 07:51
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VERTiG0 posted:Without being able to try all of the bikes in that category I'm sure both of these things would blow me away. Ok so...why is the vfr800 overpriced? If both of those would blow you away and you don't have any metric for deciding then how can you know a vfr800 isn't worth x amount? Plus you can 'throw it around' a bit more.
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May 8, 2016 07:52
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Z3n (and the rest of CA, but Z3n in particular) how do you feel about the CB1300? I'm going to go sit on one tomorrow to find out if the ergo is right.
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May 8, 2016 09:53
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predictive posted:http://austin.craigslist.org/mcy/5563910522.html With 100 miles on the odo, those are almost certainly the original tires and someone decided to armor all them "back to new". He might as well have smeared bacon grease on them, that thing is going to kill someone. VERTiG0 posted:The 2014+ VFR800s just don't have enough value in them for the asking price, goddamn they're overpriced. Not here in Harley-land: https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/mcd/5568065626.html https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/mcd/5556060319.html I'm too lazy to screenshot them but they are both brand new 2014's with 0 miles on the odo for less than $7k.
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May 8, 2016 14:25
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Son of a bitch. The best NOS deal around me last fall was still about 9k. If I knew there'd still be new 14s for that cheap this spring I might have held out.
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May 8, 2016 14:32
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Slavvy posted:Ok so...why is the vfr800 overpriced? If both of those would blow you away and you don't have any metric for deciding then how can you know a vfr800 isn't worth x amount? Plus you can 'throw it around' a bit more. They're $15,000 (or $12k for a leftover 2015) for a bike with an engine and frame from 2002, and we don't get the option of the Deluxe model in Canada so tack on another $2,000 for the matching Honda luggage. Gorson posted:Not here in Harley-land: Around $8900 CAD after conversion... poo poo.
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May 8, 2016 15:35
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Gorson posted:With 100 miles on the odo, those are almost certainly the original tires and someone decided to armor all them "back to new". He might as well have smeared bacon grease on them, that thing is going to kill someone. Sup fellow MKE goon  Those are some drat good prices for 0 mile VFR's, a low mileage one has to be dirt cheap!
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May 8, 2016 15:50
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Sup fellow MKE goon I'm actually in Eau Claire, but Harley-land nonetheless. See check this out: Craigslist search for "VFR": 1 result (and it's a Magna) Craigslist search for "Sportster": 35 results
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May 8, 2016 17:43
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darth cookie posted:Z3n (and the rest of CA, but Z3n in particular) how do you feel about the CB1300? I test rode one a few years ago. They look good in white/red/gold, they're comfortable, very stable, pull like a train, but like a train you never really get excited by it. Cornering isn't great. It'll corner just fine, but heaving that cow around takes some concerted effort. They'll also soak your balls or whatever else you're carrying down there with a frigid torrent of water down the tank when it rains heavily. Overall, it's a solid bike that looks great, but lithe and nimble it ain't. I'll admit though that my opinion was coloured by having just test rode a Brutale 750 immediately prior, which was very much the half-mad barrel racing quarter horse compared to the steady pulling draft horse of the CB.
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May 8, 2016 17:55
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VERTiG0 posted:They're $15,000 (or $12k for a leftover 2015) for a bike with an engine and frame from 2002, and we don't get the option of the Deluxe model in Canada so tack on another $2,000 for the matching Honda luggage. So your rear end and hands can tell the frame is from 2002 and not 2015? Or what? Like is there an actual reason or is it really just ew I don't want something with old DNA? Cause the Z1000 engine is based on a zx9 from the 90's 
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Linedance posted:I test rode one a few years ago. They look good in white/red/gold, they're comfortable, very stable, pull like a train, but like a train you never really get excited by it. Cornering isn't great. It'll corner just fine, but heaving that cow around takes some concerted effort. They'll also soak your balls or whatever else you're carrying down there with a frigid torrent of water down the tank when it rains heavily. I always assume a ball-soaking is in order when riding a bike in the rain. The rest sounds more or less like what I expected. Edit: went and sat on one. Man it is HEAVY getting it off the side stand, but not unmanageable. I thought I'd be prepared considering I ride a 1000cc bike all the time but this was something else. It's also big. Enormous in fact, but it's deceptive because the seating position is very good and comfortable. It was kind of surreal because it was parked next to a Suzuki 1250 bandit and you'd never believe they're similar dispacements. The bandit looked tiny by comparison. I'm probably going to take the cb1300 for a test ride this week just to get a feel of what it's like to paddle it around in traffic. Carth Dookie fucked around with this message at 01:25 on May 9, 2016 |
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darth cookie posted:I always assume a ball-soaking is in order when riding a bike in the rain. The rest sounds more or less like what I expected. It's really pretty similar to a 1970's Goldwing in size, weight, and horsepower, though the wings may balance a little better because the boxer and underseat gas tank keep the weight fairly low to the ground. At least the CB1000 has 10 more HP. 
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