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Drake_263 posted:Do remember that the Ferdie has a tiny fuel tank for something its size - it has a 16-ton tank, equivalent to a Cobra's, while the ship itself is about the size of a Python. (The Asp-E, for reference, has a 32-ton tank, and I think the Python is 64-ton). Seems like a cool upgrade but you probably want to fit those on a ship with a bigger tank and space for aux tanks. It's worse than that, the FDL has an 8 ton tank.
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Drake_263 posted:8 shots with a python, then! Gotta have fuel to get home That said I think it's a really cool module for the pve inclined. Should make rails and such useable in pve without too much of a sacrifice.
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Drake_263 posted:Do remember that the Ferdie has a tiny fuel tank for something its size - it has a 16-ton tank, equivalent to a Cobra's, while the ship itself is about the size of a Python. (The Asp-E, for reference, has a 32-ton tank, and I think the Python is 64-ton). Seems like a cool upgrade but you probably want to fit those on a ship with a bigger tank and space for aux tanks. It actually has an 8-ton tank, and the only ship with a 64-ton tank is the Cutter.
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If nothing else we can give Frontier credit for really swinging for the fences with a lot of these upgrades and special effects. Rails which use fuel could be interesting for ships with big module slots, but how much extra fuel do you need to equal 30+ shots per rail? Running back to a station to rearm/refuel is just as much trouble as running to a star to scoop (unless you're honor dueling thargoids out in the black), so increased total capacity is the only tangible benefit I'm seeing here.
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Helter Skelter posted:It actually has an 8-ton tank, and the only ship with a 64-ton tank is the Cutter. You'd think I'd remember seeing as I just bought one (and wrote he article aeons back) but nope. Makes one wonder what the hell the engineers at Zorgon-Peterson were thinking, a max-grade FSD on the FdL will drain 3 tons of fuel per jump... timn posted:If nothing else we can give Frontier credit for really swinging for the fences with a lot of these upgrades and special effects. Presumably once combat encounters outside the immediately-populated sphere become a thing (coughthargoidscoughcough) the ability to carry what amounts to a heavy kinetic weapon without having to rely on fabricating ammo or returning to a station to rearm will be pretty valuable.
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Interesting thing about the heal beam we realized while testing with Harry--4 pipping your shields makes them 2.4x stronger, and thus requires 2.4x more dps to break because of increased resistance, NOT increased capacity. The healing beam heals your shields at a rate that is as if they have 0 pips to shields (pips do not cause you to resist healing). This means that the amount of HPS required to maintain a shield is significantly less (potentially 2.4x less) than the DPS required to break it, making people running the healing mod to their beam laser super effective since it has no downsides and automatically switches between healing/damage depending on if you target a friendly!
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Fishreds99 posted:Interesting thing about the heal beam we realized while testing with Harry--4 pipping your shields makes them 2.4x stronger, and thus requires 2.4x more dps to break because of increased resistance, NOT increased capacity. The healing beam heals your shields at a rate that is as if they have 0 pips to shields (pips do not cause you to resist healing). This means that the amount of HPS required to maintain a shield is significantly less (potentially 2.4x less) than the DPS required to break it, making people running the healing mod to their beam laser super effective since it has no downsides and automatically switches between healing/damage depending on if you target a friendly! So it casts Inflict Wounds as well as Lay Hands, got it 
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Fishreds99 posted:Interesting thing about the heal beam we realized while testing with Harry--4 pipping your shields makes them 2.4x stronger, and thus requires 2.4x more dps to break because of increased resistance, NOT increased capacity. The healing beam heals your shields at a rate that is as if they have 0 pips to shields (pips do not cause you to resist healing). This means that the amount of HPS required to maintain a shield is significantly less (potentially 2.4x less) than the DPS required to break it, making people running the healing mod to their beam laser super effective since it has no downsides and automatically switches between healing/damage depending on if you target a friendly! Automatically switches modes if you target a friendly, but if you target an enemy and your friend flies through your beam they still take damage, right?
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Drake_263 posted:Automatically switches modes if you target a friendly, but if you target an enemy and your friend flies through your beam they still take damage, right? Nope! It will heal your wingmates even if you are attacking an enemy with it.
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Alright, that is.. wow. I can see an Anaconda loaded to the gills with beam turrets just sitting in the middle of a furball, indiscriminately shooting at everything like Satan's own disco ball.
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Drake_263 posted:Alright, that is.. wow. I can see an Anaconda loaded to the gills with beam turrets just sitting in the middle of a furball, indiscriminately shooting at everything like Satan's own disco ball. Welp, found the name for my Anaconda.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Buy an adder or hauler and kit it for fsd max range. Hauler can hit 30 ly easily for just under a mill with a 2a fuel scoop. I have 2 adders and 1 hauler for bubble transit near all my combat ships. Makes life a ton easier specially with an FAS or fdl jump range Oh nah I don't mean that, I mean a service that'll take your ship and courier it out somewhere in case I want to go buy some new weapons or upgrades that are available beyond my jump range. DancingShade posted:I want the traffic control person to grovel suitably before my Imperial Baron when I come in to dock. I want them to wig out when I cut thrust and flare out on the landing pad at the last possible second and nail that landing 
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Capn Beeb posted:Oh nah I don't mean that, I mean a service that'll take your ship and courier it out somewhere in case I want to go buy some new weapons or upgrades that are available beyond my jump range. Those dents on the landing pad come out of my Paycheck! We had to cut back on Imperial Office Interns because of you!
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Frontier need to add people with anoraks and notebooks watching the ships go by in stations. Seriously though would it take much to have dock inspectors checking you out from the landing pad buildings? Or people having picnicks in the parks inside the rich looking stations? Some sense of a populated universe would go a long way
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Drake_263 posted:Alright, that is.. wow. I can see an Anaconda loaded to the gills with beam turrets just sitting in the middle of a furball, indiscriminately shooting at everything like Satan's own disco ball. You are a man of beautiful vision
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Frontier need to add people with anoraks and notebooks watching the ships go by in stations. They're getting there, I think. If Planet Coaster is any indication, they can do a lot with crowds of people milling around and doing their own thing, using the same Cobra engine they built for Elite. Here's hoping! Anyway, cross-posting from the SC thread - Like a chump, I bought into the rest of the Horizons betas for $10, for the privilege of testing  s game for them.And I loving love it  So far the Engineers Update is pretty rad, and a much needed content boost for a game that began as "a mile wide and an inch deep". Now, the game has a "Build Your Own Millennial Falcon" aspect, where you seek out crazy-mad scientific types to turn perfectly good modules and weapons into own one-of-a-kind super-tuned monstrosities. Most Engineers specialize in two particular modules/weapons, but can tinker with some other parts as well. Trading and mining are now essential parts of upgrading your ship. You can gather "data" simply by scanning ships in supercruise, and there's finally a purpose for a frame-wake scanner. And, of course, you can get parts by blowing the gently caress out of other ships, or hanging around like a loving bone-picker. There are wrecks you can carve parts off of with a mining laser - scavenging is now a valid profession. Some of these ingredients go towards the actual part, the rest are favors for the Engineer. There's a random chance of parts you need dropping, but some special parts can be earned via missions or by tracking them down via leads from the commodity markets. Find the right system the special commodity is coming from, and you can just buy the loving things. There is a random element to whatever upgrade you are going for, which immediately caused min-maxers to panic. There's a tolerance of what gets improved, basically, and some upgrades have a chance of a side effect. This leads to such things as missiles that do no damage but cause a ship to spin out, multi-cannons that spew bullets of fire, railguns that pull "ammo" from your fuel tank instead of slugs (what?) and my favorite, beams that heal your allies shields and hurt your enemies. Yes, you can roll up a Paladin ship in Elite: Dangerous, Year of Our Lord 3302. Small ships can get a massive upgrade in the form of "Advanced Thrusters" that turn the loving things into tie-fighters. Flying a ship usually feels like flying a WWII era bomber where every move is slow and painful, like old people gently caress. ATs on the other hand, go pretty loving fast, allowing them to be used as interceptors, strike teams, and good old smuggling runs. Regardless, your ship will end up slowly tailored to your play style over time. Your relationship with an Engineer only has to be built up once, and as long as you feed them the parts, they'll work on any ship. They'll also tip you off to other Engineers in their network, so you can go track down another specialist. You will get invites from Engineers on your own, too, just by crossing various milestones like distance travelled or bounties claimed. Then you got to repeat the whole process over again. Good times! Naturally, it's so some dumb bullshit is always anticipated (some cases, misunderstood, like the random roll on parts). The simple fact you still can't store modules or cargo is loving terrible, because now this whole crafting thing depends on you juggling actual physical parts in your cargo hold (a limited transfer when you switch to or buy a ship with enough cargo space). Farming wakes and scanning ships does add a little depth (you are recording things like errant shield spikes or weird frame-shift emmissions, things really interesting to people in those fields, thus why it is an "ingredient") but here's where the random number generator tends to gently caress you over. You can only hold 100 datas, because the rest is apparently taken up by a galaxy map of 400,000,000 stars you need at all times because  I really just got started tinkering with the Beta. Quicklike notes: - Bookmarks own, but need some kind of grouping system so you can save actual trade loops, not just a single list of bookmarks. - The radio chatter and the Traffic Controllers add a LOT to stations now. Your callsign (the manufacturer of your ship and the first three letters of your CMDR name, so me in an AspE is "Lakon Kilo Echo Romeo") comes off seamlessly, as well as your pad number. Even the automated controllers wish you well when you leave their airspace  - Advance Thrusters own on an Imperial Courier, but any weight becomes your enemy. Even a slightly weighed down Courier can barrel-roll into a mailslot before a scan completes. I can't wait to try and make a smuggler's Adder - Missiles got a re-tweak, and size-2 dumbfires hold 60 ammo.
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Drake_263 posted:Alright, that is.. wow. I can see an Anaconda loaded to the gills with beam turrets just sitting in the middle of a furball, indiscriminately shooting at everything like Satan's own disco ball. wings are going to get real funny
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Literally Kermit posted:- The radio chatter and the Traffic Controllers add a LOT to stations now. Your callsign (the manufacturer of your ship and the first three letters of your CMDR name, so me in an AspE is "Lakon Kilo Echo Romeo") comes off seamlessly, as well as your pad number. Even the automated controllers wish you well when you leave their airspace  
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Drake_263 posted:Alright, that is.. wow. I can see an Anaconda loaded to the gills with beam turrets just sitting in the middle of a furball, indiscriminately shooting at everything like Satan's own disco ball. Pretty sure this the standard Goon combat doctrine across multiple games and genres.
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Voyager I posted:Pretty sure this the standard Goon combat doctrine across multiple games and genres. Goon IL-2 Sturmovik (a WW2 flight sim) used to consist of a huge plane with smaller planes strapped to it fighting another huge plane with smaller planes strapped to it.
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Speaking of standard Goon combat doctrine, this just came up in the You must be a Platinum member to see this message thread: How FD can fend off a hypothetical goon takeover (or even a real one) Paranoia is a beautiful thing, isn't it?
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But we are already there  We should start spreading the rumor that Achenar Imortals are actually goons
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Drake_263 posted:Speaking of standard Goon combat doctrine, this just came up in the You must be a Platinum member to see this message thread: Yeah its funny but not useful *at all* and whoever necro'd that post is an rear end in a top hat supreme. 
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Literally Kermit posted:Small ships can get a massive upgrade in the form of "Advanced Thrusters" that turn the loving things into tie-fighters. Flying a ship usually feels like flying a WWII era bomber where every move is slow and painful, like old people gently caress. ATs on the other hand, go pretty loving fast, allowing them to be used as interceptors, strike teams, and good old smuggling runs. This excites me. Are we talking the kind of speed that will allow a smaller ship to outmaneuver a larger one and dominate it with skill? I tend to like the smaller fighter-type ships in games, but so far Elite sort of requires you to upgrade into larger ships to progress (to a point).
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imperialparadox posted:This excites me. Are we talking the kind of speed that will allow a smaller ship to outmaneuver a larger one and dominate it with skill? I tend to like the smaller fighter-type ships in games, but so far Elite sort of requires you to upgrade into larger ships to progress (to a point). Depends, but I'd consider it likely on the basis that even relatively quick-turning big ships will have a hell of a time tracking a small ship (with chaff) doing +500 kph. That's just brutal. On the other hand, how much dps do you think you'll do without it out-tanking you?
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LCL-Dead posted:Can the FDL take advantage of the thrusters? Adder, Viper, Eagle, Iggle, and Courier are what I am calling the new Interceptor Tier of ships. All of those can reach 500m/s+ pretty easily with the mod and 600m/s is very attainable though the method can vary a little between hulls. There is also the potential to have a stripped down Iggle capable of going 700m/s but I'm not sure if it's practical in combat.
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Hilariously, a Sidewinder qualifies as well. If, you know, you want to multiply the price of the base hull.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Depends, but I'd consider it likely on the basis that even relatively quick-turning big ships will have a hell of a time tracking a small ship (with chaff) doing +500 kph. That's just brutal. With the rocket changes they might not kill a heavy tank ship but they'll gently caress up its parts
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Turns out that while you still can't fit ammo in your cargo hold, upgraded magazine capacity is a thing for at least multicannons. Just the tier-3 upgrade can easily boost your clip size and ammo reservoir by ~10%, at the cost of increased mass and power draw. The T5 upgrade goes of course way past that. Edit: I've also been rerolling it to see which kind of affixes you can get. So far I've seen Emissive Rounds, Smart Rounds and Incendiary rounds - smart rounds selfdestruct harmlessly before actually impacting friendly ships, if somebody gets in your line of fire. Edit edit, all upgrades cost now 1 ton of fish and it seems like the little roulette thing is rigged so you always get an affix of some description. Edit ^3, I've just had the devil's own luck so far apparently. Drake_263 fucked around with this message at 17:24 on May 10, 2016 |
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Okay so yesterday got c2 frags that pull ships towards you and limit your target's speed to as if they have 0 pips in engines. Ladies and gentlemen--they first gave us a warp scram, and have now given us a webifier. Eve-ification is nearing completion. And it is awesome. Braben has been good to us. No one survives.
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Fishreds99 posted:Okay so yesterday got c2 frags that pull ships towards you and limit your target's speed to as if they have 0 pips in engines. Ladies and gentlemen--they first gave us a warp scram, and have now given us a webifier. Oh boy, does this mean I'll get to build a tackler iggle to fly in wings with heavier ships?  If they ever fix not being able to get into sessions with other people 99% of the time
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Icedude posted:Oh boy, does this mean I'll get to build a tackler iggle to fly in wings with heavier ships? You're goddamn right. Fsd scram mines and webifier frags on an iggle gonna be super cute.
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 The Wildcard votes have begunTL/DR; Here on Inara, we will tell you which are the most beneficial people to vote for. Alright listen up Tadpoles, Frogs, toads and other amphibians. As you're all aware, the games have begun. https://community.elitedangerous.com/wildcard NOTE, ONCE YOU VOTE THAT'S IT, IT IS ONLY ONE VOTE PER ACCOUNT AND YOU CANNOT SWITCH YOUR VOTES. Remember, you will be using your elite account to sign in, not the forums one. You've got about until Tuesday 17 May at 10:00 BST, to vote. So who are the Pledges you ask? Why here you go! Wildcards
So you wanna know a little more about these groups? Well, take it from Frontier Development's pundit! Achenar Immortals Coalition (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249058&page=2&p=3870676&viewfull=1#post3870676) Our pundit says: Achernar Immortals have confirmed a coalition late in the process with a large number of groups pledging to the coalition. The coalition boasts the following members Jethro Sharpe (a lone Fed Commander), Guild of Rebuy Screenius Maximus, 13th Legion, Federal Reclamation CO, 160 S.O.A.R., Silver Skulls, Flying Tigers, EDC Vanguard, Vortex Continuum, Guardians of Tranquility & Smiling Dog Crew). Whilst vast in numbers these groups also hail from a very wide and diverse ethos and background. From notorious pirates, to Federation all in support of the Imperial immortals. With Elenar heading up the coalition and having access to large promotional channels these could certainly be a strong group for the wildcard position. But can they galvanise their community channels and their groups to one united cause? Black Birds Squadron (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249058&p=3870518&viewfull=1#post3870518) Our pundit says: The Black Birds Squadron are a group that have received less public discussion than other groups in the Wildcard. However, these guys could easily be a very strong force in the wildcard games. While the Black Bird Squadron are competing as themselves, they could pull support from the French Coalition which they are in. This coalition was involved in one of the Educating Eds and contains a number of prominent French groups. What’s more, they are also heavily involved in a number of French community sites and have a strong outreach in that community. As the only French group, this could prove to be a difficult group to beat. The Imperial Inquisition Our pundit says: Famous for their hunter games and other events. This group have proven their ability to pull groups to their side and compete in vast numbers through CGs in the past. With this and their streaming community this imperial bunch are certainly a group of sizable force! Battle Vortex (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249058&page=3&p=3872133&viewfull=1#post3872133) Our pundit says: Battle Vortex are an extensive gaming community. With sizable channels on YouTube and Twitch, they could well be a surprise in this competition if they can get their Commanders rallying for their cause! Planet Express Our pundit says: A smaller group of Commanders and believed to be more Xbox leaning but present on both platforms. It will be really great to find out more about this group’s ethos and background in the competition through their political campaign. Adle's Armada Coalition (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249058&p=3870483&viewfull=1#post3870483) Our pundit says: A truly dangerous threat. Adles Armada alone are one of the more known and recognised groups in the wildcard race. Not only that but they also have a formidable coalition in place with some very dedicated and formidable groups. In the Diamond Frogs Educating Ed episode we saw some clear tensions between Adle’s Armada and the Diamond Frogs so we’re expecting some exciting developments from this group as the competition progresses. Black Omega (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249058&p=3870465&viewfull=1#post3870465) Our pundit says: another of the less publically discussed groups in these competitions. An independent aligned group who we’ll be looking forward to hearing more from as their campaign develops. EG Pilots (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249058&p=3870479&viewfull=1#post3870479) Our pundit says: A dedicated Russian group. The EG pilots (not to be confused with Emperor’s Grace) could surprise a few people if they can get enough support from their communities. Perhaps one that the English speaking Community might not be aware of but certainly not one to take lightly. Wolves of Jonai Our pundit says: Headed up by well-known YouTuber ChaosWulff, This Commander has the group, platform and size of followers to be a threat in the votes, depending on how active and persuasive his campaign is. United German Commanders Coalition (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249058&p=3870507&viewfull=1#post3870507) Our pundit says: United German Commanders are working alongside the Blood Brothers from Alrai which represent a considerable German contingent. It will be interesting to see the development of this campaign as we head into the votes. Pileus Libertas (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249058&page=2&p=3871285&viewfull=1#post3871285) Our pundit says: Some may consider this group relatively small, but this imperial group, rich in history are very passionate and dedicated. Could they be a possible surprise in the votes? Again, we will be eager to see their campaigns unfold over this week. So now you ask, "Why is this important?". To now I answer, because the top five pledges will eventually compete in CGs to determine which one of them will rise to be the sixth potential candidate and then finally compete with the other top 5 groups/Coalitions to become the next Power. Rise to Power
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Fishreds99 posted:Okay so yesterday got c2 frags that pull ships towards you and limit your target's speed to as if they have 0 pips in engines. Ladies and gentlemen--they first gave us a warp scram, and have now given us a webifier. RIP open play
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