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The fact Toma is the most popular over there baffles me. Is there something I don't get about the target audience? I mean, there's liking bad boys, and then there's liking crazy unhinged psychos. It just doesn't make sense.
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May 3, 2016 07:34
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Okay gently caress it I'm going to play I / O until I can afford Root Double
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May 3, 2016 07:39
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voltcatfish posted:Okay gently caress it I'm going to play I / O until I can afford Root Double I actually just finished I/O, I kind of assumed it wasn't on anyone's map any more (came out what 10 years ago now?) Kind of interested in opinions. I was really into it about at around the halfway point but things got, well, visualnovely. Still really fun though. Also a nice soundtrack courtesy of onoken.
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May 3, 2016 08:24
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voltcatfish posted:i wish i had enough money to buy root double Hi friend. Let us wish together 
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psy_wombats posted:I actually just finished I/O, I kind of assumed it wasn't on anyone's map any more (came out what 10 years ago now?) Kind of interested in opinions. I was really into it about at around the halfway point but things got, well, visualnovely. Still really fun though. It's next on my list now I've finished Root Double! I've actually attempted it before, but I lost momentum a couple of days in; possibly I started with the wrong route. Any recommendations on route order?
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May 3, 2016 17:18
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Apparently A B C D E C D A B E according to a walk through I found or the last three might be BAE
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May 3, 2016 17:23
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i'm trying to power through rewrite finally before the anime adaptation starts in the summer season and its really good
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May 3, 2016 18:14
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voltcatfish posted:I wouldn't buy Higurashi until all of the question arcs are out at least Thanks; I've been interested in Higurashi after a ton of people recommended it (and the author's next work, Umineko) to me on account of my love for Zero Escape but I wasn't sure it was worth just playing through the first two episodes, especially if the publisher sticks to their optimistic schedule of one release per actual real-world cicada season.
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NRVNQSR posted:It's next on my list now I've finished Root Double! I've actually attempted it before, but I lost momentum a couple of days in; possibly I started with the wrong route. Any recommendations on route order? I've seen A B C D recommended, and C and D will definitely make zero sense without A and B, but I think I'd recommend A B D C. The weakest route is probably D unless you enjoy gun porn or Matrix fanfiction, and after playing through C (my favorite by a long shot) there's no suspense in the story any more. It's like the ending for C kind of spoils what happens in D, but I don't think it's the other way around? might have to check. For the prime routes I don't think order matters really, or at least nowhere near as much as the main story. Did you start with A the first time around? It's a pretty mediocre start until Babylon shows up but even then the lead character isn't great. I personally started with B which was much more interesting so I was willing to tolerate high school stuff in A a bit. Although if you play A first, you get to see some of the side cast presented in a very different way than how they're introduced in B, and perceiving characters differently is a core part of the narrative I guess, so the VN as a whole probably flows better with A first.
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May 3, 2016 20:30
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So what's the consensus in here on Root Double, if there is one? I liked 999 and VLR, would I probably like it also?
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Stefan Prodan posted:So what's the consensus in here on Root Double, if there is one? I liked 999 and VLR, would I probably like it also? I haven't finished it due to stuff as I'm doing a lot of final project stuff right now, but I've gone through most of route A and it was fantastic. Lot's of suspense, mystery, and drama. From what I've heard, you definitely should start with route A.
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Heavy neutrino posted:Thanks; I've been interested in Higurashi after a ton of people recommended it (and the author's next work, Umineko) to me on account of my love for Zero Escape but I wasn't sure it was worth just playing through the first two episodes, especially if the publisher sticks to their optimistic schedule of one release per actual real-world cicada season. I think it's worth it. It's my first time through Higurashi, and the space between the chapters has actually been what's let me actually keep pace with it compared to Umineko. With this, it's an 8 hour chunk every few months broken up quite nicely. Unfortunately with Umineko, I got halfway through chapter 3 and now feel no great urge to pick up in the middle of a story. It's also easier to talk about when its only up to a certain point.
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but...this year is the 30 year anniversary of the rokkenjima mass murder incident do it for battler
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May 10, 2016 22:03
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I now have an excuse to go through Umineko. 
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May 10, 2016 22:15
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Christ though, I re-read a summary of the entirety of Umineko and what a tragic tale that whole thing is from beginning to end. I wonder if Ryukishi ever plans to write something happy?
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May 10, 2016 22:22
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I think it's worth it. It's my first time through Higurashi, and the space between the chapters has actually been what's let me actually keep pace with it compared to Umineko. With this, it's an 8 hour chunk every few months broken up quite nicely. Unfortunately with Umineko, I got halfway through chapter 3 and now feel no great urge to pick up in the middle of a story. It's also easier to talk about when its only up to a certain point. The downside in Higurashi's case right now is that we don't really have a defined release schedule, Tatarigoroshi could come out in a month or year for all we know.
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May 10, 2016 23:49
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I will admit that Umineko does lose a bit when you are no longer theorizing with a hundred other nerds with your autotranslated Umineko while waiting patiently for the translation patch to come out camphor
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The House in Fata Morgana is crazy good and if you aren't reading that, you are really missing out.voltcatfish posted:Christ though, I re-read a summary of the entirety of Umineko and what a tragic tale that whole thing is from beginning to end. Well, Higurashi had a happy ending. Is that the only happy ending he ever wrote? Even his Rewrite route was pretty hosed. Maybe I should read Rose Gun Days at some point.
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At the same time I'd also say that some of the Higurashi chapters are just brutal in a  sense, way more than anything in Umineko.
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Nate RFB posted:At the same time I'd also say that some of the Higurashi chapters are just brutal in a I've got the 1st couple of chapters of the new release. Is there any recommended stuff to replace the art or is it OK since the re-release?
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PS3 sprites are the best way to go IMO, which you can get here (along with a voices patch if you so desire): https://github.com/higurashi-mod/ The new Steam sprites are better than the originals but they still kind of suck. The PS3 ones are kind of generic but they're at least inoffensive all told.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Well, (Higurashi Series Spoilers) Higurashi had a happy ending. Is that the only happy ending he ever wrote?. Is it, though? I'm not remotely familiar with the thousands of sidechapters released for Higurashi, but isn't the official continuation after the end of the series proper Rika getting hit by a truck shortly after the original incident and dying, and experiencing some new bullshit?
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I don't know but the note that the actual series ends with is undeniably positive.
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voltcatfish posted:Is it, though? I'm not remotely familiar with the thousands of sidechapters released for Higurashi, but isn't the official continuation after the end of the series proper Rika getting hit by a truck shortly after the original incident and dying, and experiencing some new bullshit? Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 22:28 on May 16, 2016 |
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May 16, 2016 18:00
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Ah okay, gotcha.
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but it's unremittingly brutal getting there, christ
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Oh hey, I didn't know this topic existed. I love VNs and since I just finished Root Double a few days ago I wanted to find somewhere to talk about it. In general I was a pretty big fan. That said the first route was also the best; it's hard for the game to top the nonstop suspense and mystery in Route A. The protagonist of Route B was also not all that good. Lastly the last route dragged on a little with the extended flashbacks. This was necessary for some characters, but the RAM section for Ena and Louise seemed unnecessary. The SSS mechanic was a novel way to play the game, but I feel like how you're supposed to interpret a high Senses value vs a low one got fuzzy as the game progressed. I used a guide, and the bad endings are very forgiving in terms of how to avoid them, so it didn't affect me much, but I see how it could be frustrating. That sounds like a lot of complaints, but the overall quality was still really high. The plot was very engaging and the last scene before the credits with Watase putting his ideals on the line to challenge Natsuhiko was a great way to end everything. I also liked how this game was a lot more grounded than Nakazawa's other works. The last VN I read that he was involved in was I/O. Talk about a huge shift! I imagine this is because he only came up with the concept for Root Double and it was written by a team under his supervision instead. You can recognize traces of his style; there's no shortage of philosophical and paranormal technobabble. But it never dives off the deep end, which I/O and Remember11 were very much guilty of. I was waiting for a big twist that never came, and really things were all the better for it. The characters were also well-written and complex. I think Watase was easily the most interesting, but I also like Ukita, Yuuri, and Subject N a lot. A very good read overall, perhaps a little worse than Ever17 in quality, which was my favorite Nakazawa VN. Now I have to find something else to read. I worry I've already read everything good though.
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Am I just reading to much time travel stuff, or do VN writers really love to explain special relativity? Screenshot is from Island, made by the Front Wing. Seems like an anime and a western release of the game is in the works.
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Tamba posted:Am I just reading to much time travel stuff, or do VN writers really love to explain special relativity? I don't think I've seen a sci-fi VN yet that doesn't insist on giving the reader yet another briefing on relativity, quantum mechanics, or some other junk like (mis)explaining Schrodinger's Cat. Schrodinger's Cat especially seems to inexplicably crop up all over the place. I have no idea if this is some cultural touchstone or what.
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I wouldn't have it any other way.
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psy_wombats posted:I don't think I've seen a sci-fi VN yet that doesn't insist on giving the reader yet another briefing on relativity, quantum mechanics, or some other junk like (mis)explaining Schrodinger's Cat. Schrodinger's Cat especially seems to inexplicably crop up all over the place. I have no idea if this is some cultural touchstone or what.
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i feel like there must be a lot of sci-fi VNs that don't do that, they just aren't the ones that get translated
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Schrodinger's Cat cropping up must make them easier to translate 'oh I know this bit I can just phone it in for a few dialogue boxes'
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psy_wombats posted:I don't think I've seen a sci-fi VN yet that doesn't insist on giving the reader yet another briefing on relativity, quantum mechanics, or some other junk like (mis)explaining Schrodinger's Cat. Schrodinger's Cat especially seems to inexplicably crop up all over the place. I have no idea if this is some cultural touchstone or what. Funny, a brief mention of the cat just popped up in Virtue's Last Reward for me last night. Seems to be an offhand comment though as the weird hasn't started.
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The A Route protagonist of I / O is really weird and I don't think I like him. But I am at the beginning of a game I know will gently caress with me, so.
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So how many of them get that Schrödinger's Cat was meant to mock quantum mechanics and is thus intentionally absurd?
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Myriad Truths posted:Oh hey, I didn't know this topic existed. I love VNs and since I just finished Root Double a few days ago I wanted to find somewhere to talk about it. Root Double was extremely good at building suspense and mysteries, and pretty bad at delivering the payoffs. I don't know what to think of it, tbh.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Root Double was extremely good at building suspense and mysteries, and pretty bad at delivering the payoffs. I don't know what to think of it, tbh. I just finished Route A. It was pretty great, loved every bit of it. SSS would've been better if they had said what "sense" a high value was compared to a lower one. I don't like the route structure though, especially now I've gotten every ending for Route A and all the epilogue flags. It kinda feels like its finished but there was no closure at all. If it had flowed straight into B, then I feel the pacing wouldn't have been thrown off. Also I hated how every time you got a bad end you had to go through that long splash of "Game Over" and load back in. Bit too slow for my taste.
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voltcatfish posted:Christ though, I re-read a summary of the entirety of Umineko and what a tragic tale that whole thing is from beginning to end. Not sure if I agree with that. The murder mysteries and some of the background of the story can get pretty dark but Ange's journey of self-discovery in which she learns the magical power of believing that things are better than they seem and ignoring what people say about her family in favor of choosing to believe they were good, loving people which ultimately leads to her overcoming all the dark conspiracy theories, finding the strength to love and trust in her dead family and then spread the word about the magic of believing to the world seems pretty upbeat to me. The real bizarre thing about Umineko is that if you strip away all the BS red-herring stuff that didn't actually happen the actual real story is just about a girl whose family dies and then she goes around trying to find proof that the tabloids are wrong and they were good people and then when she can't actually find proof she decides to just believe they were good people for herself and ignore what the world says about them. That's the whole plot.
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