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oohhboy posted:Reccoa's character "development" is one of those awful Alien things Tomino does. She was an alright character until she literally disappears and is replaced by bizarreo Reccoa. The reasons for this is so vapid and so poorly thought out and executed he might have been thrown out the proverbial airlock today. There is a additional hint as to why Reccoa does what she does at the very end, but it's comes off more as a cover your rear end poorly thing than anything else. This is honestly why Zeta mostly fell flat for me. That and the Cyber-Newtype stuff.
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The GIG posted:Quess and Hathaway are there to represent that Char and Amuro are falling into the pattern they've been trying to fight: Pulling the new generation into the hosed up fights the older ones can't let go. It develops the two's fight into more than just two dickheads slapping each other. It's now affecting the people around them, whenever they want it to or not. Chan is there because Amuro needs someone to tell him to calm down and think. Her death is because she got caught up too deep in Amuro's mess so when she tried to take it upon herself to fix the mess Amuro and Char haven't bothered cleaning and being responsible for, it's far too gone and takes her too. This is one of the things that didn't need stating or repeating. Char is loving up the Feds and dropping a giant asteroid on Earth, everyone is involved at this point no matter how much they don't want to. This was suppose to be the final confrontation between Amuro and Char, something everybody has been looking forward to since he didn't do much with it in Zeta and ripped it out to do this in ZZ. Tomino fucks up "Emotions" anyway so going shallow might have worked in his favour by focusing on action and maybe doing something about reconciling the idealogical issues instead of going for cheap drama by introducing a bunch of people just to kill them off for no effect in the main plot. If you want people dying related to Char/Amuro give them Red Shirts Squad. Char wouldn't give a drat if they died, probably insulting them for doing so, while Amuro gets increasingly concerned with each loss, beating himself over it. CCA brushes over how Char amassed his power and how he hid it for as long as he did. WTF was Amuro doing the entire time and why did he fail? Where did the psycho frame come from and how was it developed by Char? What was his plan after ruining the Earth? Did he expect that everyone would go Whelp and go home instead of committing Genocide on anything and everyone related to Zeon/Axis? Why would anybody follow Zeon again after getting their rear end kicked twice and shown massive amounts of mercy. What is the thought process for all these people? What action we do get is beautiful and outside of the newtype stuff being unnecessary Deus Ex Machina the fighting makes logical sense. T.G. Xarbala posted:This is honestly why Zeta mostly fell flat for me. That and the Cyber-Newtype stuff. When Newtypes get brought in especially the Cyber ones things go sideways really quickly with proper character development dying. Just make poo poo up and pretend it's drama.
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oohhboy posted:CCA brushes over how Char amassed his power and how he hid it for as long as he did. WTF was Amuro doing the entire time and why did he fail? Where did the psycho frame come from and how was it developed by Char? What was his plan after ruining the Earth? Did he expect that everyone would go Whelp and go home instead of committing Genocide on anything and everyone related to Zeon/Axis? Why would anybody follow Zeon again after getting their rear end kicked twice and shown massive amounts of mercy. What is the thought process for all these people? This is one of those context things where ZZ ends up being important despite the recommendations of jumping from Zeta to CCA. Zeon very explicitly did not get their asses kicked in ZZ; they pretty much conquered the entire Earth Sphere and had the Federation pretty well entirely hosed until Glemy pulled his coup, at which point Neo Zeon largely spent its momentum beating the crap out of itself; this, coupled with the fact that most of Neo Zeon's leaders died in the conflict, was enough to bring the invasion of Earth to a halt and give the Federation time to drag itself back from the brink of annihilation. It is very, very much not a "end of OYW, Zeon got the poo poo beaten out of it" scenario. Post ZZ Neo Zeon is still a world-conqueringly powerful military force and a nation state in its own right. This creates a situation where you have an extremely powerful but still largely headless Neo Zeon engaged in an uneasy truce with a damaged Federation. At this point, Char returns from his self-imposed exile at the end of Zeta and reveals himself as the legendary red comet and son of the quasi-religious figure Zeon Deikun to the Neo Zeon forces, instantly catapulting himself to a position of leadership in the void left by the deaths of Haman, Glemy, and their respective inner circles. The Neo Zeon rank and file would be all over this poo poo: "The loving Red Comet came back to lead us! We're going to finally win the war against those loving Earthnoids!" Of course, what they don't realize is that at this point Char is less interested in leading Neo Zeon to victory and more interested in blowing up the planet to attempt to force some sort of massive change in humanity because by CCA he has lost pretty much every scrap of faith he has remaining and believes that the only way people will evolve is if they're forced to.
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Kanos posted:This is one of those context things where ZZ ends up being important despite the recommendations of jumping from Zeta to CCA. Zeon very explicitly did not get their asses kicked in ZZ; they pretty much conquered the entire Earth Sphere and had the Federation pretty well entirely hosed until Glemy pulled his coup, at which point Neo Zeon largely spent its momentum beating the crap out of itself; this, coupled with the fact that most of Neo Zeon's leaders died in the conflict, was enough to bring the invasion of Earth to a halt and give the Federation time to drag itself back from the brink of annihilation. It is very, very much not a "end of OYW, Zeon got the poo poo beaten out of it" scenario. Post ZZ Neo Zeon is still a world-conqueringly powerful military force and a nation state in its own right. Even that, mind you, was implied to be nothing but an excuse for a chance to revisit his youth and do battle against his greatest ever enemy. CCA was the midlife crisis from hell.
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Zeon didn't conquer as much as they did because they were badass, the Feds were too busy messing around in their fiefdoms, fractured and getting paid off to effectively fight off the Zeon. It's why what's her name berates the poo poo out of those top officials for loving around and they don't do poo poo about the colony drop despite it being in their best interest to do something about it. The Feds get their poo poo together eventually but they half rear end it anyway, so while they push Zeon back they won't finish off the job leaving our Heroes to to find the weakness in Zeon and exploit it with everything they had. Zeon loses their leadership, a good chunk of their fleet and personnel devastated by the infighting and confusion. Feds regain nominal control and bottle up Zeon instead of finishing it this time round again. Bright and Amuro spends the time between ZZ and CCA hunting for Zeon and for some reason does a really piss poor job of it somehow. Nobody notices the big rear end fleet until Char fakes hands it over to get nukes. Londo Bell does it's best to fight the threat and the Feds go meh for some reason cause orders or something like they forgot the last 2 times Zeon showed up. Zeon's ideology never made much sense in the first place and what they did was so horrific it never made any sense they escape any sort of punishment like they did. Char's Ideology didn't make sense as people were moving off into space on their own, like you know, in the colonies. Axis came back because life in space was poo poo. Evolution of any sort doesn't happen overnight no matter what you do or how much faith you have or have not. It was always going to be a gradual process than also needed the technology to catch up. Killing almost everybody doesn't help that even if his goal was to move up the timetable. If he wanted to people to go to the stars he should have developed the technology to do so and GTFO, not trying to get everyone killed because he didn't think things through enough. Darth Walrus posted:Even that, mind you, was implied to be nothing but an excuse for a chance to revisit his youth and do battle against his greatest ever enemy.
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Char's Neo-Zeon's fleet is not actually particularly large. They are backed up by strong Newtypes/Cyber-Newtypes in custom-designed robots and they use a fairly basic hit-and-run strategy because nobody expects them to drop a literal asteroid on Earth.oohhboy posted:It wasn't like Amuro and co was making a big secret that they were hunting Char. Char could have fought him anytime he wished on equal terms for years. If CCA dropped the WMD angle it could have been a more personal film where he could do "Emotions". Instead of rallying all of Zeon, he gets a hardcore group of followers where they go after Londo Bell for perceived persecution. Char gets his fight and it would have been with what he actually wants personally than End world + ??? = Profit. The removal of humanity from Earth both to allow the planet to recover and to facilitate humanity's growth into Newtypes is a central idea of Zeon Zum Deikun. Char was actively attempting to force it.He wasn't trying to end the world. A vast majority of humanity lives in space. He was basically going "get the gently caress off the planet or die, also gently caress you Federation." ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:01 on May 10, 2016 |
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oohhboy posted:This is one of the things that didn't need stating or repeating. Char is loving up the Feds and dropping a giant asteroid on Earth, everyone is involved at this point no matter how much they don't want to. This was suppose to be the final confrontation between Amuro and Char, something everybody has been looking forward to since he didn't do much with it in Zeta and ripped it out to do this in ZZ. Tomino fucks up "Emotions" anyway so going shallow might have worked in his favour by focusing on action and maybe doing something about reconciling the idealogical issues instead of going for cheap drama by introducing a bunch of people just to kill them off for no effect in the main plot. If you want people dying related to Char/Amuro give them Red Shirts Squad. Char wouldn't give a drat if they died, probably insulting them for doing so, while Amuro gets increasingly concerned with each loss, beating himself over it. The fact you think Quess, Hathaway, and Chan are only there for cheap drama while in the same post saying that you should have given them a "red Shirts Squad" if you wanted people dying is real confusing. The overall conflict of the Axis Drop isn't a replacement for actually immediate character drama. Removing characters with interconnected character relationships cannot be fixed by cheap deaths to make the main characters feel things. You literally seem to be befuddled about why the Char vs Amuro wasn't just some 30 minute OVA where they do some flashy shallow fights, when the point of CCA is that the rivalry is completely and utterly pointless. The conflicts all around are based on misguided obligations. Char is trying to force the last people still on earth out because of the words of a long dead man and to yank one last fight to feel like he's done something. Amuro is still flying mobile suits despite being treated like warm garbage by the Federation for so long because he's the hero and has to stop Char. Quess is following after Char because she thinks she finally has someone to connect too. Hathaway is so bullheaded that he thinks he needs to save Quess. Chan just desperately wants Amuro to slow down and think, to focus and be thoughtful. Calling these characters a "bunch of people just to kill them off for no effect in the main plot" is really telling me not only did you absolutely miss every point being said in the movie, but you are trying to justify it by only looking at the surface and saying that's all that's there.
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Darth Walrus posted:Even that, mind you, was implied to be nothing but an excuse for a chance to revisit his youth and do battle against his greatest ever enemy. One thing I've come to like about the character of Char is how indecisive he is. Like, he wasn't just doing all that in CCA to have his climactic showdown with Amuro. He definitely wanted people to move up into space. But by spreading his attention to both objectives, he accomplished neither. It's also like in MSG where he wants Zeon to win but he wants all the Zabis dead. And then later on Lalah appears and he puts murder all Zabis on the backburner. The dude just can't make up his mind. He wants everything but he winds up with nothing.
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ImpAtom posted:Char even arguably didn't care so much for Lalah as a person as he did for what Lalah meant to him. It's an interesting element of their relationship. He wanted her to be a Mother to him and was deeply interested in her Newtype powers but there's not a lot of evidence he cared about her wants or desires. She certainly didn't connect with him on the same level she did Amuro. I think it's noteworthy that Char doesn't lament Amuro killing Lalah for it's own sake as his last words, but killing her for what she meant to him. Since re-watching the film a while back I've taken the stance that he only really cared about what she represented to him (a newtype ideal) and didn't so much care for her as a person. He wanted her to help make him a proper newtype because he saw her as one, and he used Quess for that same reason (as well as a weapon in both cases). oohhboy posted:This was suppose to be the final confrontation between Amuro and Char, something everybody has been looking forward to since he didn't do much with it in Zeta and ripped it out to do this in ZZ. I feel like I'm alone in this, but I don't think CCA was ever necessary. I think Zeta puts a far better cap on their relationship, with both realizing they were just soldiers and doing what they felt was necessary, now working together for a better end. They'd never be friends, but they could understand one another and see common goals. It's a more reasonable and realistic end as well as being more thematically appropriate in my opinion, since them understanding one another is almost the newtype ideal Char always wanted but never got. It's not flashy or anything, but it feels a lot more right to me, that they just end on that slightly bitter but hopeful note. I think Char's Counterattack giving them one big final battle is just a fan thing and highly suspect it happened because Sunrise realized people liked their rivalry most out of what happened in 0079 and Zeta and wanted more of it, asking Tomino to give them some. I've also never seen anything to corroborate that Amuro would play a large part in ZZ, as it was originally planned. Someone here once translated some text of the original Zeta Part II plan from an infobook and while there might have been other plans, it didn't mention Amuro at all - only Char working under Haman as a double agent, then killing her along with all the heads of the EF and Judau going off to Mars after defeating Neo Zeon. It sounds like a much better outline to me, and more in keeping with UC up to that point, as well as setting a better outline for future shows - moving them to Mars as the new colonial frontier instead of endlessly repeating the same Earthsphere conflicts. Oh well. oohhboy posted:Bright and Amuro spends the time between ZZ and CCA hunting for Zeon and for some reason does a really piss poor job of it somehow. Nobody notices the big rear end fleet until Char fakes hands it over to get nukes. Londo Bell does it's best to fight the threat and the Feds go meh for some reason cause orders or something like they forgot the last 2 times Zeon showed up. The Feds don't do anything because they're afraid of Spacenoid Rebellion. The film flat out states that they're afraid that if they make a move against Char, it'll inspire people in space to rise up against them. As is, Spacenoids attack one of their stations or something in the film despite inaction. Once Char starts dropping Axis they act regardless, but only show up at the film's climax. Also, Char wanted to defeat Amuro ideologically as well as personally, hence Axis. He wanted to prove that his methodology and viewpoint on people was right and not just that he was the better fighter. If he just wanted a better future, he should have gotten Nanai to make more than one cyber-newtype and call it a day to act as his second, since she was the head of newtype research and all. Gyunei appears to be completely stable, which is basically unheard of for cyber-newtypes. Char even says he thinks they're necessary in Zeta while talking to Dr. Hassan.
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NikkolasKing posted:One thing I've come to like about the character of Char is how indecisive he is. Like, he wasn't just doing all that in CCA to have his climactic showdown with Amuro. He definitely wanted people to move up into space. But by spreading his attention to both objectives, he accomplished neither. "Char, you want a Pepsi or a Coke man?" *Asteroid is launched at the earth with the Sprite logo on it*
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The GIG posted:The fact you think Quess, Hathaway, and Chan are only there for cheap drama while in the same post saying that you should have given them a "red Shirts Squad" if you wanted people dying is real confusing. The overall conflict of the Axis Drop isn't a replacement for actually immediate character drama. Removing characters with interconnected character relationships cannot be fixed by cheap deaths to make the main characters feel things. You literally seem to be befuddled about why the Char vs Amuro wasn't just some 30 minute OVA where they do some flashy shallow fights, when the point of CCA is that the rivalry is completely and utterly pointless. The conflicts all around are based on misguided obligations. Char is trying to force the last people still on earth out because of the words of a long dead man and to yank one last fight to feel like he's done something. Amuro is still flying mobile suits despite being treated like warm garbage by the Federation for so long because he's the hero and has to stop Char. Quess is following after Char because she thinks she finally has someone to connect too. Hathaway is so bullheaded that he thinks he needs to save Quess. Chan just desperately wants Amuro to slow down and think, to focus and be thoughtful. Calling these characters a "bunch of people just to kill them off for no effect in the main plot" is really telling me not only did you absolutely miss every point being said in the movie, but you are trying to justify it by only looking at the surface and saying that's all that's there. Does anything they do actually affect the main plot? Chan gets ignored, her death doesn't impact Amuro in the slightest since he doesn't know. Quess was an afterthought who again nothing to do with the main plot as she is cast into the pointless B plot at high speed and dies without Char knowing. Gyunei dies like Quess irrelevant despite being a stable cyber. If Hathaway was going to be in it at all he should have been back on Earth with Mirai showing his stubbornness and his will to live like his mother as a representation of the people on earth. None of these people influence any of the characters in anyway and show nothing new. I used a "Red shirt squad" due to the fact they would actually been closer to the main characters than any of the above. It would have been a much better contrast between command style and personality than a bunch of people who die in the middle of nowhere unnoticed. Look at Io in Thunderbolt, he is a right bastard but not only did he have the opportunity to express himself, he actually does it truthfully to people he barely knows. Io is closer to these red shirts than Chan, Quess, Hathaway, Gyunei are to any of the main characters. I don't toss Nanai as it shows Char might actually be capable of a mature relationship even if to something as shallow akin to an affair. She see Char privately like no other character has seen him before. The whole pregnant thing goes nowhere, likely tossed in at the last second for drama, but her character brings something new. More of this would have been a far better use of time. Either Char is some sort of idiot, flaky or really badly written, take your pick. People are already moving into space, they out number the people on Earth(I think unless someone gassed more). Dead dudes words are already becoming true. If he wanted to force some sort of evolution like Tsob said, he could have refined and cranked out newtypes as his legacy, push out space tech and go off on a suicide mission after Amuro. for his big fight. tsob posted:I feel like I'm alone in this, but I don't think CCA was ever necessary. I think Zeta puts a far better cap on their relationship, with both realizing they were just soldiers and doing what they felt was necessary, now working together for a better end. They'd never be friends, but they could understand one another and see common goals. It's a more reasonable and realistic end as well as being more thematically appropriate in my opinion, since them understanding one another is almost the newtype ideal Char always wanted but never got. It's not flashy or anything, but it feels a lot more right to me, that they just end on that slightly bitter but hopeful note. The Feds being afraid of a Spacenoid Rebellion is silly, they were rebelling in CCA right then and there. They just hosed up your nuke storage. Axis is moving right now. You would have to be comatose not to figure out that it was an existential fight. This being the third time this has happened. The Feds get explicit orders not to help. It wasn't until because "newtype" do they break orders. Bright has to get nukes under the table for help. Feds didn't give enough funding to Londo Bell for two reasons, one the Titans, two they want them to fail. Both Bright and Amuro have worked under extremely tight resource limits constantly and they had spent years to come up with nothing. It wasn't like we know them to be incompetent. So what happened? Why fund Londo Bell at all and giving them a mandate if they were that skittish about a
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ImpAtom posted:All those characters are tied thematically to the main plot, which is the main plot. If this is the case, in my view Tomino utterly failed in this regard.
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The plot of CCA is more than just letting Amuro and Char duke it out one last time.
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Seriously oohhboy you really are not bothering to go even remotely beyond the surface of the movie, to the point where saying that feels generous. You're more hovering above the drat thing trying as hard as possible to avoid touching it while trying to tell everyone what it feels like. Edit: And when you do bother to it's in the most superficial of ways. You seem to rather want to have false depth than actual depth. The GIG fucked around with this message at 02:20 on May 11, 2016 |
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oohhboy posted:If this is the case, in my view Tomino utterly failed in this regard. And seriously Tomino isn't at fault for you deciding that huge swaths of the main plot isn't important because you wanted to see the mans do the fights.
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This is what happens when people stop caring about the story and only care about the plot. In this case, the story is what the makers are trying to say, the message, the themes, etc. and the plot is simply the chain of events that occur.
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The GIG posted:Seriously oohhboy you really are not bothering to go even remotely beyond the surface of the movie, to the point where saying that feels generous. You're more hovering above the drat thing trying as hard as possible to avoid touching it while trying to tell everyone what it feels like. If you want me to dig a little bit more fine. Quess is extremely unlike-able, insipid, absolutely insufferable. I cheered a little when she died because now we don't have to deal with her anymore. By association these side characters who get sucked into this hole-o-suck. I don't have a care in the world for these characters. It doesn't matter whatever thematic reasoning is going on if I don't care or wish death on the characters involved. If the whole point of this was pointlessness then congrats. They showed nothing new and ate up disproportionate amount of time compared to their importance of their message. I cared more for that mechanic that got fragged out of nowhere, an instant and concise message if there ever was one. MonsieurChoc posted:This is what happens when people stop caring about the story and only care about the plot. The relationship between Nanai and Char, something that should have been holy poo poo! event. Or Bright and Amuro and how they have/not changed over the years, why so steadfast?. Why did Bright have to get nukes from under the table and how does this relate to the politics of the Feds who continuously do nothing, what is the theme here, corruption? Ignorance? Apathy? What drives the Feds to continue existing and contrasting this with Zeon who get beaten again and again only to rise up? What are Char's and Amuro's ideologues beyond the one sentence sound bites that more fitting in a presidential bid. What was Char's real endgame? How does it help his cause when you have Nanai doing more to advance his cause than any rock could do. Who is Char beyond the lies? Is he nothing but his lies? Does he believe in his lie or himself? Why are unspeakable war crimes tolerated, what is the message here? The GIG posted:And seriously Tomino isn't at fault for you deciding that huge swaths of the main plot isn't important because you wanted to see the mans do the fights.
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dogsicle posted:will we ever be free of weirdos who cheer the death of Quess, a kid manipulated into a deadly conflict, because she was 'annoying?' Eagerly awaiting for the return of the unironic usage of the word gar
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dogsicle posted:will we ever be free of weirdos who cheer the death of Quess, a kid manipulated into a deadly conflict, because she was 'annoying?' She wasn't manipulated, she choose to fight out of boredom. Let's go out and play! oh why are they shooting back? Yeah, really compelling.
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Eej posted:Eagerly awaiting for the return of the unironic usage of the word gar Gar is still good
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oohhboy posted:She wasn't manipulated, she choose to fight out of boredom. Let's go out and play! oh why are they shooting back? Yeah, really compelling. Teens, known for making rational life decisions all the time.
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Bad Seafood posted:I'm still waiting for Shinji to man up.
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dogsicle posted:will we ever be free of weirdos who cheer the death of Quess, a kid manipulated into a deadly conflict, because she was 'annoying?' You can still fell pity for her circumstances and still find her annoying. 
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Srice posted:A character being unlikeable isn't an inherently bad concept, also. Daryl Lorenz.
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oohhboy posted:Daryl Lorenz. In that case I'll change my definition a little: A character being unlikeable while not being portrayed as a badass isn't an inherently bad concept, also.
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I've only seen the first ep of Thunderbolt but I definitely had the impression that while he was a jerk they were aiming for him to be a cool jerk, very different from a character like Quess.
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oohhboy posted:Daryl Lorenz. Did you confuse Daryl (the quadruple amputee Zeon guy who is nice) with Io (the murderous rear end in a top hat Gundam pilot)?
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Lemon-Lime posted:Did you confuse Daryl (the quadruple amputee Zeon guy who is nice) with Io (the murderous rear end in a top hat Gundam pilot)? I don't think he did. I'm 80% sure this is another installment of oohhboy has weird opinions theater. Less weird than some, I suppose, since "Zeon is bad" is a pretty decent start location for opinions, but, you know. Of the characters on Thunderbolt, Daryl's not much of an rear end in a top hat. Also, a character being unlikable isn't inherently bad (for a non-giant-robot example, everyone in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia), but it's generally not a good thing when the primary thing you want from a character is them to just be gone.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Did you confuse Daryl (the quadruple amputee Zeon guy who is nice) with Io (the murderous rear end in a top hat Gundam pilot)? Nope, I have already talked about Io, I figure I present another character. Srice posted:In that case I'll change my definition a little: As pointed out, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Community's Pierce Hawthorne, but you sort of like him because he is such a dick.
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The disconnect here is that plenty of people have explained why they feel Quess is important and you're just doubling down on calling her unlikable. I'm not getting a clear view on what makes those other characters you're namedropping different, other than they're not written by Tomino.
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Like for real it cones across like you're judging the movie based on it not being what you wanted, instead of approaching it on its own terms.
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Srice posted:Like for real it cones across like you're judging the movie based on it not being what you wanted, instead of approaching it on its own terms. oohhboy has made it pretty clear they're not happy the entire movie wasn't Amuro and Char bumping into each other so its more than just "comes across". That's basically the low down on all their crits in the thread, "it isn't exactly what I wanted so it's bad".
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May 11, 2016 12:32
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