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Silegna posted:The hell where they thinking with that ability? Same thing they did for Slaking or Regigas: deliberately hampering a death machine so it doesn't break the game for kids. As to why those guys while all sorts of other, far more overpowered Pokemon and abilities are left alone, well, balance is a sad joke in this series. Much like the type chart.
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Silegna posted:The hell where they thinking with that ability? At least it's not Slow Start. Remember when everyone thought Regigigas would get a Forme with a better ability? 
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They're pretty much powerful Pokemon with a drawback. The problem with Gamefreak's execution of that concept is that every time they've done it, the drawback completely overshadows what benefits those Pokemon would bring. Archeops is at least better off than Slaking or Regigigas since it can attack every turn and doesn't need to wait a few turns to get going.
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AriadneThread posted:doubles battles have plenty of ways to sidestep those kinds of abilities too Can't you send an Archeops out with a Cofagrigus and give it Mummy to get the Defeatist ability canceled out, and other tricks like that?
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SilverGryphon posted:Can't you send an Archeops out with a Cofagrigus and give it Mummy to get the Defeatist ability canceled out, and other tricks like that? You can, but if the opponent realizes what you're up to, Archeops, or any other mon with an undesirable ability will either be eating a Fake Out, Follow Me, or Rage Powder, while the other mon gets taken down, disabled, or just plain put into an undesirable position. That scenario would be especially disastrous for Slaking, since it'll be disabled by Truant on the next turn. Unfortunately that's not an uncommon scenario either, since those moves are pretty much a staple of doubles teams. That strategy can probably work, but you have to be very careful in how you pull it off.
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Dr. Fetus posted:You can, but if the opponent realizes what you're up to, Archeops, or any other mon with an undesirable ability will either be eating a Fake Out, Follow Me, or Rage Powder, while the other mon gets taken down, disabled, or just plain put into an undesirable position. That scenario would be especially disastrous for Slaking, since it'll be disabled by Truant on the next turn. Unfortunately that's not an uncommon scenario either, since those moves are pretty much a staple of doubles teams. That strategy can probably work, but you have to be very careful in how you pull it off. It's why I prefer VGC to Singles. VGC just has a LOT more combinations and strategy involved. Still working on my VGC team, actually. It's harder than you think.
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The only thing I think they need to do to vastly improve the VGC format is limit each team to one legendary of ANY variety. I'm pretty sure the top 8 teams from 2015 all had at least two of Thundurus, Landurus, and Cresselia. I also think a ton of Pokemon just need complete revamping, but that's another discussion entirely.
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Skyridge posted:The only thing I think they need to do to vastly improve the VGC format is limit each team to one legendary of ANY variety. I'm pretty sure the top 8 teams from 2015 all had at least two of Thundurus, Landurus, and Cresselia. I still don't know what they were thinking this year, unbanning mascot megas.
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Update 16: Loose Dark Ends Route 36  "have this."   : You can shatter rocks with just a single well-aimed smack. If any rocks are in your way, just smash 'em up!  Rock Smash (Iwa Kudaki) is a pretty bad Fighting move with 20BP, 15PP and 100% accuracy that has a 50% chance of lowering the target's Defense by one stage. You also use it to get rid of rocks on the overworld, but it's not necessary to use. Churchill can have it for now, since it's just a TM, so I can get rid of it later if need be. Violet City   Now that the tree is gone, it's much easier to head back to familiar territory. So we'll be spending most of this update doing a bit of backtracking here and there. Route 31  : What's that? You have MAIL for me? "holding the MAIL."Now I should note here that you will hand over the Pokemon holding the mail, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS. Kenya? Gone forever. Random Pokemon you gave it to? Gone forever. Your treasured starter? Gone forever. Obviously they changed this in the remakes to him giving you the Pokemon back if it's not Kenya. But yeah, you've been warned.   : That's good to know. Thanks for bringing this to me. My friend's a good guy and you're swell too! I'd like to do something good in return too! I know! I want you to have this!  : It's a wicked move that steadily cuts the HP of a sleeping enemy. Ooooh... That's scary... I don't want to have bad dreams. Let's load up and finally explore this Dark Cave, as the letter did say there was more to that place. Nightmare (Akumu), meanwhile, is a Ghost status move with 15PP and 100% accuracy that afflicts a sleeping Pokemon and reduces their health by 25% at the end of each turn. This wears off when the Pokemon wakes up. It's not a great move as Dream Eater is better to use, but hey, it's a new Ghost move, so yay?  Oh, I guess this is happening now. Neat.   HP: 45 | ATK: 75 | DEF: 37 | SP.ATK: 70 | SP.DEF: 55 | SPD: 83 | TOTAL: 365  #150: Magby  From the Odd Egg, we can obtain one of seven Baby Pokemon, with the exclusive (as in, not Kangaskhan) move of Dizzy Punch (Piyo Piyo Panchi: Chirp Chirp Punch), a Normal move with 70BP, 10PP and 100% accuracy, with a 20% chance of confusing the target.   There's no way to really find out what the Egg will hatch into and it takes a little while, so unfortunately, I don't need another Fire type on my team. Maybe it would've determined some of my team if I'd gotten certain Pokemon, but it can be a bit of a hassle to level them up. We'll talk about the other babies when we can encounter them. And it's a shame it wasn't shiny, but we only have a 14% chance of that happening, instead of the 50% chance in the Japanese versions, but at least we can get this no matter when we play the game. Dark Cave  Ah, so this what this cave looks like. Neat.   We can't explore the whole cave just yet, but with Flash and Rock Smash we can reach somewhere new.    Beautiful.    There's quite a few rocks around, so you'll need to smash 'em.    HP: 20 | ATK: 10 | DEF: 230 | SP.ATK: 10 | SP.DEF: 230 | SPD: 5 | TOTAL: 505  #166: Shuckle   I'm not gonna waste balls on something we'll get for free later on. But it is a Pokemon you can obtain now. The only other Pokemon you can find through Rock Smash is Geodude. I'm just riding around grabbing some sweet items.   There's a few ledges around, but there's a rock at the bottom to smash that lets you backtrack, so just keep finding all the items.    But, uh, that's really it. This place ain't very big. Route 46   And as the letter said, we're now in a new area.    We can't head up, so let's head down. Or more specifically to the left.    : Will you battle with me?   Nostalgia. Karate Chop (Karate Choppu) is now a Fighting move with 50BP, 25PP and 100% accuracy that has an increased critical hit ratio. While it won't crit as often as it used to, it's still a fine STAB move until you get something better. Or not. Fighting still isn't the best type right now.   Good to see Mankey can still mess things up.   ...no regrets?      HP: 50 | ATK: 85 | DEF: 55 | SP.ATK: 65 | SP.DEF: 65 | SPD: 90 | TOTAL: 410  #201: Ponyta   No, horse.    : It's filled with pretty flowers! It really made me angry to lose. I'll have to train much harder...  Ehhhh, I don't really have space for more numbers. Not that you'd be too useful to have anyway.   "items."Oh good, this is back. Well it's not a problem to throw out some garbage and be fine again. The fact that this is the first time this is happening shows how much of an improvement this is from the previous games.   But hey, we're back on Route 29. Let's have a little trip back home. Pokemon Lab     : The EGG hatched! So, POKéMON are born from EGGS... No, perhaps not all POKéMON are. Wow, there's still a lot of research to be done. Thanks, MARINA! You're helping unravel POKéMON mysteries for us! I want you to have this as a token of our appreciation.  : Some species of POKéMON evolve when they grow to certain levels. A POKéMON holding the EVERSTONE won't evolve. Give it to a POKéMON you don't want to evolve. We've got a nice chunk of change at our MOM's, but we're managing fine for now. Alright, back around the loop to Dark Cave. Route 29   : Please allow me to introduce myself. I am TUSCANY of Tuesday. By way of introduction, please accept this gift, a PINK BOW.  "is most adorable?": It strengthens normal-type moves. I am certain it will be of use. I believe it will be, might as well boost Normal moves by 10%, as we don't have much else to hold. I won't be making use of the Everstone myself, but it saves having to cancel evolution every level, but it means you can't hold anything else.   : Oh, hi, MARINA? Working hard? You're visiting CHERRYGROVE CITY? How about coming home for a bit?I never called MOM when we were in Cherrygrove, so I've fixed that. Another thing crossed off the list. Route 46  "mountain POKéMON!"Back through Dark Cave, we now head down the ledge instead of left, since there is another trainer.   Churchill smash.    Ooh baby.     HP: 90 | ATK: 120 | DEF: 75 | SP.ATK: 60 | SP.DEF: 60 | SPD: 45 | TOTAL: 450  #124: Granbull "are like that."    Churchill's become a very early game powerhouse and while she'll eventually drop off the further we go into the game, she's gonna be a lot of fun until then. Route 32  Still more to do and see and that.     : WROOOAR! IT'S ROAR! EVEN POKéMON RUN FROM A GOOD ROAR!Q-quite. Least this move has some use this generation, especially with the inclusion of entry hazards.  "for me!"   : My pal was snoozing, right? Heh, what'd I say?Heading back to good ol' Webster gets us a HP Up. Since I'm not bothered about Stat Exp right now, I'll be selling it for cold hard cash. Route 34  : We were raising your POKéMON, and my goodness, we were surprised! Your POKéMON had an EGG! We don't know how it go there, but your POKéMON had it. You want it?  Neat. The egg train won't stop. At least until we fill up our team. Which honestly won't be for a while.   It'll be interesting to see how high we can get it, cause this Ditto ain't leaving the Daycare until it's done.     Excellent, a fair few trainers give you evolution stones if you have their number, which is necessary since you can't really obtain them in many other ways. Gold and Silver players are a bit limited. (Ralph called me when I was changing time and by the time I realized he had something to say it was too late. Oh well that's what text dumps are for.) : Listen, I... Yowch! Uh, sorry! See, QWILFISH are biting like there is no tomorrow over here on ROUTE 32! Aiyee! Ouch! One jabbed me! Heh, they're some kind of fiesty! MARINA, you have to see this rare sight! Get ready to fish! You call your mom somtimes too!  Let's do this.   HP: 65 | ATK: 95 | DEF: 75 | SP.ATK: 55 | SP.DEF: 55 | SPD: 85 | TOTAL: 430  #161: Qwilfish   Swarming Pokemon will happen on occasion and change around the encounter tables. While it's a lot easier to find Qwilfish with other rods during a swarm, you can still find it easily enough with an Old Rod. However, all swarming Pokemon can be found normally, you just have to wait until you get the Super Rod, or rely on a 1% encounter, so it's less of a headache to do it this way. Route 37  Now then, it's finally time to head onwards to new places. We will be heading back to south and east Johto when we have some more HMs, but for now, it's onwards to new locations.  "gether!" (ANN): ANNE and I are in this together!   I miss double battles...  "our POKéMON."(ANN): I can tell what my sister and my POKéMON are thinking.  Yo.  : I'm SUNNY of Sunday, meaning it's Sunday today! I was told to give you this if I saw you!  : Um... ... What was it now... ... Oh! I remember now! A POKéMON that knows electric moves should hold it. My sis MONICA said it powers up electric moves!: My sisters and brothers are MONICA, TUSCANY, WESLEY, ARTHUR, FRIEDA and SANTOS. They're all older than me!Well we've met four of them so far. Only ones left are Monica, Wesley and Santos. I wonder where we'll find them...    Finally we find some more Apricorns. You can only find them here, which is good cause it's nice and close to the nearby city, this route is pretty short.  "asleep.": I'll show you how scary that is!   The pain train gives no fucks about status.    Momma's on a shopping spree, goddamn.  But that's it. Let's find some wild Pokemon.  Ah, a new Pokemon, let me just bring up the analys-     Ah. poo poo. This thing broke out of like ten Poke Balls. It's my fault for being so stubborn and wasting all of them, but sometimes random wild Pokemon are harder to catch than legendaries. Ecruteak City  Ahh, soothing music, now I don't feel like punching something. Pokemon Center   : Hi, I'm BILL. And who are you? Hmm, MARINA, huh? You've come at the right time. I just finished adjustments on my TIME CAPSULE. You know that POKéMON can be traded, right? My TIME CAPSULE was developed to enable trades with the past. But you can't send anything that didn't exist in the past. If you did, the PC in the past would have a breakdown.: So you have to remove anything that wasn't around in the past. Put simply, no sending new moves or new POKéMON in the TIME CAPSULE. Don't you worry. I'm done with the adjustments. Tomorrow, TIME CAPSULES will be running at all POKéMON CENTERS. I have to hurry back to GOLDENROD and see my folks. Buh-bye!  Well cool, Bill just created time travel, how convenient. Multiverse theory? Well anyway, we'll be going into the Time Capsule at a later time. Right now, I've got me some mons to catch.   HP: 73 | ATK: 95 | DEF: 62 | SP.ATK: 85 | SP.DEF: 65 | SPD: 85 | TOTAL: 465  #129: Stantler  First loving Pokeball, of course. I hate this wonderful game.   But that's not all.    Oh just get in. Vulpix is a Pokemon unavailable in Crystal, but we can catch it here in Silver, so we shall.   It's been quite nice not having to catch like five new Pokemon each route. That definitely won't last for long.  Next time, we won't be exploring this old city, but instead doing some sports. Sportssportssportssportssportssportssportssportssportssportssportssportssportssports Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 04:54 on May 12, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 19:41
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The Granbull infographic states Granbull evolves at LV31, when it clearly doesn't.
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As Crosspiece said, the Everstone is a bit useless in this gen. Stopping evolution isn't particularly useful, unless for some reason you want a traded pokemon to not evolve. But starting in Emerald, the Everstone has a secondary effect when breeding! In Emerald and DPPt, if held by the mother (or Ditto) then the child has a 50% chance of inheriting the holder's nature In HGSS and BW, it can be held by either parent and has the same 50% chance of passing down the holder's nature to the child. (Yes, they changed it mid-gen!) From B2W2 onward, it can again be held by either parent and is guaranteed to pass down the holder's nature. This is really useful for breeding powerful pokemon, though obviously it won't apply until 3rd gen when Natures are a thing.
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Crosspeice posted:
Typo, I assume? I love Ecruteak's music, it's so nice. One of the few songs I like a lot in HG/SS too.
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May 11, 2016 20:36
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Qwilfish! The Pokemon so bland I forgot about it for a good two years when I was a kid.
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Alabaster White posted:The Granbull infographic states Granbull evolves at LV31, when it clearly doesn't. Yeah... I have no idea why it says that. Easy enough to fix. Admiral H. Curtiss posted:Typo, I assume? Yeah, just missing the 'y', they always slip through. hopeandjoy posted:Qwilfish! The Pokemon so bland I forgot about it for a good two years when I was a kid. Don't worry, there's still plenty more forgettable Pokemon to see!
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Oh, Stantler. Much as I love you and think your design is neat, you are just oh so out-classed by so many other things. Some of those things being literally right next door to you or a few routes over. Poor Stantler and Qwilfish, doomed forever to a life of obscurity and mediocrity.
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Why do people complain about Trubbish and Vanillite when Stantler and Qwilfish exist.
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Stantler and Waldorf.
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Does Stantler even show up in the wild anywhere else in the series? Because this is the only place I remember ever seeing Wild Stantler. Or Stantler at all, for that matter
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May 11, 2016 22:50
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Silegna posted:I still don't know what they were thinking this year, unbanning mascot megas. I think they do that at the end of every generation. I believe gen 4 did it and let you use 2 of the banned legends, same with gen 5 I guess its one of those "this gen is over, just smash godzillas together & go nuts" things
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May 11, 2016 23:03
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Yeah, it's a thing they do. Once a Gen is on its way out, they just go nuts and lift a lot of the bans because there's nothing else more than can do to change up the format. Granted it doesn't make for exciting matches when every team has a Smeargle with Dark Void.
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May 11, 2016 23:11
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hopeandjoy posted:Why do people complain about Trubbish and Vanillite when Stantler and Qwilfish exist. People can't remember those losers exist. Quilfish being completely forgettable is a running gag in the fandom, ironically making it more notable than some of the really obscure guys.
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Geostomp posted:People can't remember those losers exist. Quilfish being completely forgettable is a running gag in the fandom, ironically making it more notable than some of the really obscure guys. Lumineon is the ultimate "so forgettable that everyone knows about it" mon. Gen 2 has the highest concentration of completely useless/totally forgettable Pokemon out of any generation, though.
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Alabaster White posted:Lumineon is the ultimate "so forgettable that everyone knows about it" mon. Gen 2 has the highest concentration of completely useless/totally forgettable Pokemon out of any generation, though. I see your Lumineon and raise you with   I mean I have yet to see this guy outside of the Gen 2 wilderness, I literally never met it past Gold.
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When is the Old Egg result determined? Is it when you first pick it up? Or is it one of those things that's determined when it hatches, so you could save-scum it by getting in a battle or using a potion or something.
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Scrap Dragon posted:Does Stantler even show up in the wild anywhere else in the series? Because this is the only place I remember ever seeing Wild Stantler. Or Stantler at all, for that matter It appears that outside of gens 2 and 4 (and only then by virtue of HGSS) it pretty much only shows up in a few obscure places each gen (part of Emerald's expanded safari zone, a pokeradar pokemon in Pearl and Platinum, one of the post game areas in BW, and one of the Mirage areas in ORAS) Kikas posted:I see your Lumineon and raise you with I remember you could get these guys by fishing in Gen III (though the mostly likely way to get one was from an in game trade)
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Kikas posted:I see your Lumineon and raise you with You didn't fish in Pacifidlog Town then?
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Roro posted:You didn't fish in Pacifidlog Town then? Never was too big on fishing in the games, no.
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Kikas posted:I see your Lumineon and raise you with For the longest time I thought this guy was a Gen 3 mon cause the first time I even heard of it was in Pacifidlog Town
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Scrap Dragon posted:For the longest time I thought this guy was a Gen 3 mon cause the first time I even heard of it was in Pacifidlog Town My first game of Gen 2, one of those was on my main team as soon as I got one, nevermind that it's kind of bad.
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How can you forget about something as cute as Corsola? I agree on the Finneon line being the most unmemorable, though.
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MagusofStars posted:When is the Old Egg result determined? Is it when you first pick it up? Or is it one of those things that's determined when it hatches, so you could save-scum it by getting in a battle or using a potion or something. Like with all eggs, everything is determined when you receive them. I made myself not peek in pikasav so I wouldn't know, but there is a probability of what you get. I believe Magby is a 10% chance.
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Roro posted:You didn't fish in Pacifidlog Town then? Despite what the lore says Corsola apparently do not live in Pacifidlog Town. I have literal weeks of fishing in my first playthrough that can attest to this.
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Cerony posted:Despite what the lore says Corsola apparently do not live in Pacifidlog Town. I have literal weeks of fishing in my first playthrough that can attest to this. The live on Route 128 and Ever Grande City. I mostly remember Corsola because Misty had one. 
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They do live there but you can't catch them cause they're keeping the town floating!
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hopeandjoy posted:The live on Route 128 and Ever Grande City. Yeah, I found that out when I picked up Ruby again later. A lady in Pacifidlog asks for a Bellossom in return for her Corsola. I had only ever found one Sun Stone in the game and I didn't want to lose what I thought was the only Bellossom I could get. One day I finally had the idea to trade the lady so I could look up Corsola's area and then reset. I also later found out that Solrock hold Sun Stones.
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I remember seeing Corsola for the first time in this game and being left speechless. Its sprite just looks so strange in this game, I didn't even realize what i was supposed to be at first. As for forgettable pokemon, for me its Mantine. Just a huge manta ray you just happen to see now and then with a bizarrely low catch rate. Finally got one and, oh look! It sucked.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:I remember seeing Corsola for the first time in this game and being left speechless. Its sprite just looks so strange in this game, I didn't even realize what i was supposed to be at first. As for forgettable pokemon, for me its Mantine. Just a huge manta ray you just happen to see now and then with a bizarrely low catch rate. Finally got one and, oh look! It sucked. If you get a bunch of Remoraid and a pool cue you can use it to fly.
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Mantine was supposed to be the Special wall equivalent of Skarmory. Their base stats are pretty much reflections of each other. The problem is that Mantine's typing wasn't ideal for that role, and this generation introduced Blissey, which is a much better Special wall and a far better partner for Skarmory.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:How can you forget about something as cute as Corsola? I chose a Lumineon for my water type in Pearl, 'cause I love neon tetras. It bummed me out that it ended up so unmemorable (both statwise and in general) afterwards.
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