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Point out that trying to stamp out a religion and political entity in an outlying province lead to years of civil strife and armed rebellion. They might find some parallels in modern China.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Point out that trying to stamp out a religion and political entity in an outlying province lead to years of civil strife and armed rebellion. They might find some parallels in modern China. I'd be very careful how I'd phrase that one, but if he's not, I hope he takes selfies with the MP's that come and arrest him.
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May 13, 2016 09:01
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Splode posted:Yeah I think this is the best bet. Tom Holland has been hugely successful with this method, and Ancient Rome is full of big rivalries and drama that teens love. On a similar note, why isn't Antony and Cleopatra famous like Romeo and Juliet? We should have had to read the former in high school, not the latter.
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May 13, 2016 09:03
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LingcodKilla posted:Explain to them even an ancient culture knew how to not poo poo in the streets.
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May 13, 2016 09:52
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LingcodKilla posted:Explain to them even an ancient culture knew how to not poo poo in the streets. http://quatr.us/china/science/chinasewage.htm posted:
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May 13, 2016 09:59
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Apparently they didn't get the message. <insert endless pics of street pooping in China>
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May 13, 2016 10:04
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LingcodKilla posted:I hear teens like sex. Practically all they talk about. Perhaps introduce them to Catullus?
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May 13, 2016 11:57
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Chinese like eating gross stuff and bragging about eating gross stuff, so talk about flamingo tongue and garum and sow cooch maybe?
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May 13, 2016 11:59
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Well who doesn't like getting drunk and loving? Those prudish goddamned Carthiginians, that's who! Here's all the good reasons why they got burnt to a cinder by Scipio.
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May 13, 2016 12:09
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Talk about how Crassus spent a good part of his adult life buying up real estate in Rome with money gained through the slave trade but ended up getting massacred in the middle of the desert.
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May 13, 2016 13:21
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Dalael posted:I'd be very careful how I'd phrase that one, but if he's not, I hope he takes selfies with the MP's that come and arrest him. It'd go well with his avatar
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May 13, 2016 13:25
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Grand Fromage posted:I need some input from people other than me. Imagine you're a high school student who knows literally nothing whatsoever of classical history. By nothing I mean nothing--you may have never even heard of the Romans. What characters/stories/events do you think you'd find the most interesting? This one might be hard to pull off, but if you manage to engage him I think it'd work great: Siege of Alesia.
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May 13, 2016 14:01
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Just give them a bunch of Asterix books, that's how everyone under 50 learned about Rome.
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May 13, 2016 14:03
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It might be interesting to draw whatever parallels you can between the Three Kingdoms period and the end of the Republic? It's a popular Chinese cultural touchstone that you can spin off into its own thing. For that matter, to kids steeped in a Chinese history of empires and kingdoms it'll probably be super weird and interesting that not only did the ancient period have republics and voting, a republic was actually one of the world's biggest and most important nations for a while. Though, uh, you'd maybe want to phrase that particular lesson very carefully.
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May 13, 2016 14:10
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Storytime with all the bs stories. They can learn that they're bs later. Scaevola went to assassinate Lars Porsenna and got caught. When sentenced to be burned he stuck his hand into the fire until it melted off and Porsenna was so spooked he let Scaevola go, hence why he has the Latin equivalent of "Lefty" as a nickname.
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May 13, 2016 15:11
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NikkolasKing posted:On a similar note, why isn't Antony and Cleopatra famous like Romeo and Juliet? We should have had to read the former in high school, not the latter. I thought this was an interesting question and crossposted it to the "I'm still an English professor" thread in the hope of getting some expert insight.
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May 13, 2016 16:44
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Grand Fromage posted:I need some input from people other than me. Imagine you're a high school student who knows literally nothing whatsoever of classical history. By nothing I mean nothing--you may have never even heard of the Romans. What characters/stories/events do you think you'd find the most interesting? The Greek-Persian conflict, especially Thermopylae. Greek comedy in general -- Old Comedy is super vulgar, New Comedy is surprisingly domestic and modern. Vesuvius is pretty compelling for everyone. Roman gladiators and chariot racing are pretty interesting
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May 13, 2016 17:04
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Go for "This is what it was like to live there." People find history boring when it seems dry and the people don't seem real. If you can make the past feel like it's alive, they'll be hooked.
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Tomn posted:It might be interesting to draw whatever parallels you can between the Three Kingdoms period and the end of the Republic? It's a popular Chinese cultural touchstone that you can spin off into its own thing. "...biggest and most important in the West." There, you're safe.
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May 13, 2016 17:20
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Grand Fromage posted:I need some input from people other than me. Imagine you're a high school student who knows literally nothing whatsoever of classical history. By nothing I mean nothing--you may have never even heard of the Romans. What characters/stories/events do you think you'd find the most interesting? Tell them about Egypt and its 8000+ years of history. 
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May 13, 2016 17:26
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Ynglaur posted:"...biggest and most important in the West." There, you're safe. If you actually cover the republics it should be safe, they were kind of a shitshow with a nasty built in failure mode.
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May 13, 2016 17:43
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LingcodKilla posted:Explain to them even an ancient culture knew how to not poo poo in the streets. This is the city that developed special poo poo proof crosswalks.
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May 13, 2016 17:57
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They were a lot more civilized: they poo poo in a bucket and then threw it out into the street, instead of squatting right out in view of everybody.
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May 13, 2016 18:13
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NikkolasKing posted:On a similar note, why isn't Antony and Cleopatra famous like Romeo and Juliet? We should have had to read the former in high school, not the latter. Probably because 1) it's not as accessible because of the complex historical situation involved, which also doesn't provide the very concise and complete narrative of Romeo and Juliet and 2) it's not nearly as good a romance.
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May 13, 2016 18:20
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Grand Fromage posted:They were a lot more civilized: they poo poo in a bucket and then threw it out into the street, instead of squatting right out in view of everybody. They were thoughtful, though. They put stepping-stones so you could cross the street without wading in the poo poo. 
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May 13, 2016 18:21
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Deteriorata posted:They were thoughtful, though. They put stepping-stones so you could cross the street without wading in the poo poo. Is the latest 5 year plan going to implement these in modern China too?
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May 13, 2016 18:33
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The streets were clogged with poo poo in pretty much every city up until cars replaced horses.
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May 13, 2016 22:12
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Horse manure is not nearly as gross as human waste though.
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May 13, 2016 22:41
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That and it's not really a disease vector in the same way that human poo poo is, as well. It might be for horses I guess.
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I never expected in my life to hear about the vast improvements in the quality of the fecal matter people have had to wade through.
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May 14, 2016 00:22
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I'm partial to the piss-proof paint they're pitting in a few cities because it's aggressively hydrophobic and will just spray your piss back at you if you try pissing on it.
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FAUXTON posted:I'm partial to the piss-proof paint they're pitting in a few cities because it's aggressively hydrophobic and will just spray your piss back at you if you try pissing on it. Hahaha, do you have a link for this?
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May 14, 2016 00:36
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andrew smash posted:Hahaha, do you have a link for this? http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Pee-on-these-S-F-walls-Be-prepared-for-them-to-6402239.php
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That rules
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You could tell them about how Justinian stole the secrets of sericulture from the Chinese, kids love a good spy story, and also it serves as justification for stealing industrial secrets from the West.
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Kuiperdolin posted:Horse manure is not nearly as gross as human waste though. No, its still pretty gross. Usually bigger too.
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GoutPatrol posted:No, its still pretty gross. Usually bigger too. In the 19th century there were people whose job it was to clean up the poop from the streets. Horse poop was sold to farms as fertilizer, while dog poop was good for leather tanning. There were also Night Soil Men, whose job was to collect all the human poop from everyone's privies in a cart ("Bring Out Yer Poop!"), and then dump it in fields for fertilizer. There were other people who panned for "gold" in the the sewers of London for anything of value they could find. Other people had the job of sifting coal ash all day to see if there were any buttons or needles or anything else of value in it. The coal ash was sold to make bricks. I suspect a lot of these jobs had existed for many centuries before that. Fun times!
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FAUXTON posted:I'm partial to the piss-proof paint they're pitting in a few cities because it's aggressively hydrophobic and will just spray your piss back at you if you try pissing on it. What, so you can get hit in the face when it rains? Kuiperdolin posted:Horse manure is not nearly as gross as human waste though. When enough horses poo poo in the street, and enough horses stomp on the poo poo, there are poo poo particles everywhere in the air and everything is objectively bad. The solid poo poo becomes goop when it rains, and gets shoveled into piles wherever there's space (And in poor neighbourhoods) Before cars, New York was blighted by the sheer density of horses and their poo poo in such a small area.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:What, so you can get hit in the face when it rains? the gently caress kind of rain do you deal with?
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FAUXTON posted:the gently caress kind of rain do you deal with? The kind that is water-based and free-falls? Why's this paint only bouncing piss?
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