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Here's the interview: http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/fantastic-four/40592/fantastic-four-simon-kinberg-wants-same-cast-for-brighter-sequel quote:“We didn't make a good movie,” Kinberg said, “and the world voted, and I think they probably voted correctly. And you can't make a good movie every time out - not everybody does. We actually have a pretty good batting average, all things considered. But I think we made many mistakes when we made that movie - mistakes that we learned from and we wouldn't repeat.”
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Online numbers are taken into account when deciding whether to renew or cancel a television show but they aren't weighted as heavily as actual television viewers because A) while online services can and do play ads, they generally aren't as expensive or lucrative as television advertisements and B) except for Netflix, which is a direct competitor to the major networks and gets to basically tell them to gently caress off when it comes to reporting numbers, few other subscription services produce numbers of viewers worth pursuing: there are 116 million TV watching households in America, 42 million Netflix subscriptions, and 9 million Hulu subscriptions. Networks weight their ratings reports accordingly. I'd say aside from Netflix, there probably isn't a company out there that really has a strong grasp on how important online viewership really is, and what all of these numbers even mean. For subscription-based services, total viewer numbers aren't nearly as important as metrics that measure why people get subscriptions. For Netflix, a show like Daredevil might lead to a ton of new subscriptions from people who are interested in Marvel movies and want to see more. Those same people might also watch Avengers 2: Age of Ultron because they're bored on a Wednesday night. Both shows get the same number of views in this instance, but only one of them is actually getting subscribers. The other is contributing to retention, but it less important in the equation.
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“We actually have a pretty good batting average, all things considered. ” uhhhh
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Hat Thoughts posted:“We actually have a pretty good batting average, all things considered. ” I'm sure there's at least 30% of good material in Fant4stic, and a .300 BA is really good.
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A reminder that Fant4stic Four made less than The Green Hornet, Daredevil and Green Lantern and only slightly more than Blade: Trinity, Spawn and Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:A reminder that Fant4stic Four made less than The Green Hornet, Daredevil and Green Lantern and only slightly more than Blade: Trinity, Spawn and Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance. Is that taking Inflation into account?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The Green Hornet Why did you include this good movie???
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Burkion posted:Is that taking Inflation into account? Heck no! Fant4stic Four made $56 million at the domestic box office last year and if you adjust for inflation then Blade: Trinity made $72m, Spawn made $102m and Stallone's Dredd and Liam Neeson's Darkman both come to $68m. There's still a few stinkers that didn't even beat Fant4stic Four: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance still only comes to $55.2m, Catwoman is $55.5, Howard the Duck is $37m, Supergirl is $35m, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace is $34m, Elektra is $32m and Punisher: War Zone is $9.6m. That's some lovely, lovely company it's keeping down in the murkiest deepest end of the superhero film pool. LesterGroans posted:Why did you include this good movie??? That "good movie" fuckin' murdered Michel Gondry's career but Evan Goldberg and Seth Rogen got away scott free, I'm still angry. 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance... Punisher: War Zone These are alright. Definitely better than Fantastic Four.
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Sir Kodiak posted:These are alright. Definitely better than Fantastic Four. Yeah, but they got fuckin' buried so they never had a chance. Punisher: War Zone got released on Dec 5 on 2,508 screens for two weeks which then dropped to 385 screens for a third week and then they pulled it. Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance got released on Feb 17, pretty much the exact same time of year as the first Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Constantine, Gods of Egypt, Pitch Black and Robocop 2014 which tells you how well the studio expected it to go. (Deadpool opened on almost the exact same weekend this year and smashed all expectations for a February opening which has apparently confused the gently caress out of all the industry people who thought they were any good at predicting box office successes.) Edit: oh poo poo, the How Did This Get Made guys did an episode on it with Patton Oswalt and director Lexi Alexander. Listening to it now ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm1fLO2pjyU Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 01:01 on May 15, 2016 |
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Punisher: War Zone was all right (and just all right), but all the stuff referring back to his family getting killed and how sad he was were the most cringeworthy and tonally dissonant parts of the movie. Not to mention, there was just a Punisher movie two years ago, yeah it wasn't technically connected, but why feel the need to go back to that setup?
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Hat Thoughts posted:“We actually have a pretty good batting average, all things considered. ” Fox has made other movies than F4nt4st4c F4rt. Even other Marvel movies, such as Deadpool, which just made all the money, and X-Men Apocalypse, which is on track to also make a poo poo-ton of money. Taking all the Marvel stuff Fox has done combined? Yeah, they're not doing too badly. They just can't figure out what to do with the Fantastic Four, specifically. Chairman Capone posted:Punisher: War Zone was all right (and just all right), but all the stuff referring back to his family getting killed and how sad he was were the most cringeworthy and tonally dissonant parts of the movie. Not to mention, there was just a Punisher movie two years ago, yeah it wasn't technically connected, but why feel the need to go back to that setup? I mean, it's kind of Frank's defining thing. Frank is pretty much solely fueled by the grief over his family.
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Goddamn, anyone who has any interest (pro or anti) in the Punisher: War Zone film or superhero films of the modern era in general or female directors should have a listen to that How Did This Get Made podcast, it's loving crazy. The director pretty much got railroaded into making the film even though she had zero interest in the character or US comics at all (and over another director who was actually a big Punisher fan) and it just kept loving snowballing from there. The parkour story is hilarious and the part where the studio dumped her chosen soundtrack and brought in their own composer and instructed him to make it sound as much like The Dark Knight as possible is just  LORD OF BOOTY posted:Taking all the Marvel stuff Fox has done combined? Yeah, they're not doing too badly. They just can't figure out what to do with the Fantastic Four, specifically. They also made Daredevil and Elektra.  Also Deadpool was pretty much made despite Fox rather than with Fox's complete backing, they gave it a tiny budget and dumped it into cinemas in February. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 02:10 on May 15, 2016 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:F4nt4st4c F4rt.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:they gave it a tiny budget and dumped it into cinemas in February. To be fair, the idea that you can only release good movies during certain parts of the year is idiotic. More studious should stop wasting money on the over-competitive summer months, and instead spread out their movies.
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Oasx posted:To be fair, the idea that you can only release good movies during certain parts of the year is idiotic. More studious should stop wasting money on the over-competitive summer months, and instead spread out their movies. I think there are some legit issues, like being in school/work versus out of school/work, and so on as far as free time goes. It also depends on what the studios want, whether they want to release so they can position their physical media release for a certain date, or be oscar bait and still in the minds of the voting judges. I mean, consumers, for many reasons, fall into patterns that business follow. It's hard to change that.
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TetsuoTW posted:Really? that movie did not win all the internets for sure
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Watched Deadpool last night. It was funny! Most of the best action beats were in the trailers though which was a bit disappointing, was hoping they'd do something more clever with his regeneration in the climactic fights instead of coming down to kung fu action. They did a good job keeping things small and tightly focused.
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Guy A. Person posted:Watched Deadpool last night. It was funny! Most of the best action beats were in the trailers though which was a bit disappointing, was hoping they'd do something more clever with his regeneration in the climactic fights instead of coming down to kung fu action. They did a good job keeping things small and tightly focused. I just watched it too and my biggest beef is they really didn't go far enough. Aside from maybe one or two moments, if you muted the dialogue in the fight scenes (especially the final one) they could be taken from pretty much any modern comic book movie. I was hoping it would use its action as part of the satire, but instead they just felt like padding to me. I also didn't like the happy ending, with everything pretty much working out as safely as possible. I guess I expected something more subversive, but the movie's actually pretty straightforward, just with ruder jokes than usual. I liked Colossus.
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Yeah that's a really good summation of how I felt, I agree with all of that. I did really like the after credits Ferris Bueller skit. That was genuinely funny.
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As someone who doesn't really read comics, what IS the correct tone for a Fantastic Four movie?
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CityMidnightJunky posted:As someone who doesn't really read comics, what IS the correct tone for a Fantastic Four movie? Weird and transgressive.
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We really need a Fantastic Four where The Thing's first act upon transforming is to try to beat Reed Richards to death in order to steal his wife. That's the sort of fealty to the comics that has made the MCU such a success.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Weird and transgressive. Venture Bros. pretty much nailed it
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Venture Bros. pretty much nailed it The early Venture Bros stuff definitely gets at the weird wonder of FF.
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CityMidnightJunky posted:As someone who doesn't really read comics, what IS the correct tone for a Fantastic Four movie? Cheerfully unsettling. Ridley Scott's Prometheus.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The early Venture Bros stuff definitely gets at the weird wonder of FF. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qhfoihw0E
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FF should have elements of old pulp sci fi I think. With less of the unfortunate implications of course. I think "zeerust" visual styling should be present in some form. Definitely a sense of adventure is important.
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CityMidnightJunky posted:As someone who doesn't really read comics, what IS the correct tone for a Fantastic Four movie? Weird Saturday morning cartoon.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Weird Saturday morning cartoon. As long as that cartoon is something like Gargoyles, sure.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:As long as that cartoon is something like Gargoyles, sure. I'm thinking more X-Men: The Animated Series
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I'm thinking more X-Men: The Animated Series It should probably resemble something good.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It should probably resemble something good. When's the last time you actually watched that show? I was watching it this morning and it's dope. Stuff that bizarre and wonderful rarely makes it out of the gate.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:When's the last time you actually watched that show? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fu972gdDTg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Bc7QQeLAY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYt78FWfa5M
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Much like the Chris Claremont comics it's based on, X-Men: the Animated Series feels like it was sent here from another planet.
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I think the only hope for a good FF movie is to set in the early sixties and make it a period piece. Sort of like First Class but make the time period more pronounced and maybe draw heavily from the way "Marvels" did it.
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BiggerBoat posted:I think the only hope for a good FF movie is to set in the early sixties and make it a period piece. Sort of like First Class but make the time period more pronounced and maybe draw heavily from the way "Marvels" did it. I've said it before, but I think it's a property much more well-suited to animation than live-action, which is why we should just accept that The Incredibles is probably the best Fantastic Four movie we're ever gonna get.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Let's watch it right now! These are great, thanks for posting. "the name is loving Gambit, remember it!" Uncle Boogeyman posted:I've said it before, but I think it's a property much more well-suited to animation than live-action, which is why we should just accept that The Incredibles is probably the best Fantastic Four movie we're ever gonna get. I honestly might be more excited for Incredibles 2 than almost any other in productions super hero movie (Justice League being nearly a tie but I still want to see some footage first, Incredibles I know is going to be amazing)
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