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Pick posted:Yeah, but like, I like emotive work? I'd much rather read melodrama with a lot of crying and at least attempts at deep feeling--love, distress, etc--than something detached. I mean that's cool but something about the way the characters are visually constructed in gashire/jack/goblins manages to very strongly convey the sense that life is pain for these things and that never really lets up. Although maybe that's just a nervous twitch I'm getting from having read Jack; either way it's like, you know how you know exactly what a door looks like? And when you see a door you almost automatically see it being opened, because that's what doors do? When I see these characters, I see them being viscerally torn in half or some poo poo. Even if it never happens again, the association is in there now and it kinda really skeeves me out. This isn't a criticism, just an explanation of why I don't like it. Deep feeling is great, but I really don't need anything in my life where the overall direction of that feeling is negative.
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Oh yeah, I assume you're correct. I meant that comment more generally, I don't expect I'll read Gashire, or at least I will only check on it periodically to see if it ends up being a door. The premise doesn't really grab me either thus far. OTOH I have terrible taste so 
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Captain Bravo posted:Does the comic have an RSS feed? I don't use them, because I am a loving luddite, but that would remind you each time it updates right? I asked him to make one, so here you go: http://www.basileuscomic.com/rss/feed.xml
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Renaissance Robot posted:Although maybe that's just a nervous twitch I'm getting from having read Jack; either way it's like, you know how you know exactly what a door looks like? And when you see a door you almost automatically see it being opened, because that's what doors do? When I see these characters, I see them being viscerally torn in half or some poo poo. Even if it never happens again, the association is in there now and it kinda really skeeves me out. Jack: The Comic That Gives You PTSD
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TwoPair posted:Hey that reminds me, is Thunt still dead? I remember that being a running gag back when the bad thread was remotely readable But.... I thought this was the bad thread.
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May 18, 2016 07:55
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The badness was inside us all along.
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May 18, 2016 07:58
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Truly, is there even such a thing as a good thread
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May 18, 2016 09:07
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:having some demonstrative characters who clearly give a poo poo about what's going on is p key to making a story great, but some kid's epic fantasy comic is almost certainly not a great work capable of selling any of that, and a lotta comics out there go with the drama equivalent of the slasher movie bimbo who can't go three steps without tripping over something. there's not really a good way to fail at writing sympathetic characters but there's at least one profoundly obnoxious way. I have to second this. I don't have an issue with sentimentality, but I think a lot of people are going overboard with it these days, to the point that the characters feel equally unrealistic in the opposite direction. When I see characters become nervous wrecks at the drop of a pin it doesn't make me emotionally invested in the story, it just makes me think the author gets all their examples of human interaction from pirated episodes of Steven Universe and is just using cheap melodrama as a substitute for character writing. That Neokosmos comic that's been posted here a bunch of times is a prime example of what I'm talking about; the main character's first response to everything is to mope and cry and it makes him completely irritating. In general, I feel like that comic apes Homestuck and Steven Universe really shamelessly while not really understanding why either works.
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HorseRenoir posted:That Neokosmos comic that's been posted here a bunch of times is a prime example of what I'm talking about; the main character's first response to everything is to mope and cry and it makes him completely irritating. In general, I feel like that comic apes Homestuck and Steven Universe really shamelessly while not really understanding why either works. The co-creators of Neo-Kosmos actually have worked on homestuck (Shelby Cragg, did Calliope's art) and Steven Universe (Amber Rogers, storyboard revisionist) respectively.
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I'd still rather read someone trying to write emotion who is a little hammy about it than another comic where everyone approaches problems like Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality or whatever that thing is called.
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HorseRenoir posted:I have to second this. I don't have an issue with sentimentality, but I think a lot of people are going overboard with it these days, to the point that the characters feel equally unrealistic in the opposite direction. When I see characters become nervous wrecks at the drop of a pin it doesn't make me emotionally invested in the story, it just makes me think the author gets all their examples of human interaction from pirated episodes of Steven Universe and is just using cheap melodrama as a substitute for character writing. yeah my favourite example is the cyclops comic
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Hey now Boozle is goodPick posted:I'd still rather read someone trying to write emotion who is a little hammy about it than another comic where everyone approaches problems like Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality or whatever that thing is called. I'll happily take both, 'cause methods of rationality was hilarious Not in the way the author wanted, but still Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 18, 2016 |
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May 18, 2016 22:08
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:The co-creators of Neo-Kosmos actually have worked on homestuck (Shelby Cragg, did Calliope's art) and Steven Universe (Amber Rogers, storyboard revisionist) respectively. That makes a lot of sense, as it feels like the authors know how to copy a lot of superficial stylistic details from those things perfectly, but they completely lack an understanding of the fundamentals that make HS and SU appealing that would come from actually being in the writers' seat.
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is there a middle ground in the conflict over whether Jack or Demon has the more appealing characters where I can just really not like either of them
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I didn't know that was an argument anyone was having.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:is there a middle ground in the conflict over whether Jack or Demon has the more appalling characters
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I never read Jack except I knew someone in college who was a forums moderator there. She would ask for help (on matters of forum moderation).
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I like Neo-Kosmos but I agree that it could maybe use a little more levity to even out the sad bits. But then, I think that's the peril of doing a super decompressed story visually, what would be a ten minute stretch of drama in actual animation resolves to being a much longer period of time in terms of webcomic updates.
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I also feel like Iris' character isn't really substantial or well communicated enough to make us feel for Tye at some of those dramatic moments quite like how we're intended to. But then, that's me. I'm sure others have different reactions.
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i like neo-kosmos but it's definitely slow with its pacing
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That comic has one of the worst cases of decompression I've ever seen. I get that they're trying to go for a storyboard format, but even real animation storyboards are less spaced out than this. They devote a full page to every individual line of dialogue or slight body movement, regardless of how minor or inconsequential it is. It's one thing if you want to emphasize than an important action is happening by spreading it across several pages, but the effect is used so constantly that you could probably shave the comic's page total by more than half if they simply converted these sequences into animated gifs. I'm honestly thinking of dropping the comic because I can't take another sequence where I have to click through 30 pages for two lines of dialogue and a simple action.
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I don't know if any of you still read Sorcery 101 but it is ending and I'm kickstarting a big fat omnibus. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1495959227/sorcery-101-omnibus-vol-2-of-2 11 years of old and it has 20 pages left.
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May 19, 2016 01:55
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Wow, that's huge! Congratulations!!
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Megazver posted:I asked him to make one, so here you go: thanks a ton! the rss doesn't seem to be linked anywhere on the site, so i figured i'd just have to follow the tumblr...
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Pick posted:I never read Jack except I knew someone in college who was a forums moderator there. She would ask for help (on matters of forum moderation). My advice to her would be that anyone who registers on the Jack forums is a sicko who should be banned preemptively.
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Cat Mattress posted:My advice to her would be that anyone who registers on the Jack forums is a sicko who should be banned preemptively.
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Last I heard Jack was dead for good due to its creator being a sufficiently depraved weirdo to get the FBI involved. I'm not checking for myself because that's a perfect ending to a sordid tale.
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Pick posted:I never read Jack except I knew someone in college who was a forums moderator there. She would ask for help (on matters of forum moderation). Better off than me. Read through it back when badwebcomicwiki was still really active and people kept slamming it in the comment sections. Quite possibly one of the most vile comic I've ever read and you're a better person for never seeing it.
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probably but otoh I kinda like having a consistent standard for the worst thing ever made I can always rely onOxxidation posted:Last I heard Jack was dead for good due to its creator being a sufficiently depraved weirdo to get the FBI involved. I'm not checking for myself because that's a perfect ending to a sordid tale. I want to know the whole story desperately but I don't want to hear this is fake someone help
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It's fake
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i won't forget this, you have made a powerful enemy today
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From what I heard he harassed a disabled girl to the point of a suicide attempt and the authorities investigated him shortly afterwards. I haven't seen hide or hare of Jack since.
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May 19, 2016 15:38
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Thanks to whoever linked Bird Boy - I can't find the post now http://bird-boy.com/comic/2010-09-6-promo-page/
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The best way to describe Jack is that the bad webcomics threads basically never discuss it.
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May 19, 2016 15:42
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Jack's author's girlfriend calling LoveLine about his rape fetish and them calling him a creep is definitely real, though.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The best way to describe Jack is that the bad webcomics threads basically never discuss it. There's sometimes an occasional "balls, too" reference but that's pretty much all.
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Pick posted:Wow, that's huge! Congratulations!! Thanks. Right now I'm mostly pumped to move on to other things. Like I have a few pitches I'm working on and half written scripts that need finishing.
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Bobulus posted:Jack's author's girlfriend calling LoveLine about his rape fetish and them calling him a creep is definitely real, though.
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KellHound posted:Thanks. Right now I'm mostly pumped to move on to other things. Like I have a few pitches I'm working on and half written scripts that need finishing. One of my best friends (jakface) did the art for the tabasco fish woman story in your recent anthology, the book came out beautifully so congratulations on that too by the way!
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The best way to describe Jack is that the bad webcomics threads basically never discuss it. The best way to describe Jack is that I have actually, successfully, repressed the memory of that comic, and every time someone posts pages from it I remember it again and get angry because I have to actively forget reading it again. I don't remember anything about it, and I am perfectly happy that way. 
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