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The documents taken in the NBN raids have been put under parliamentary privilege and are thus sealed until parliament decides to unseal them. Pretty convenient for noone to be able to defend themselves until after the election 
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May 20, 2016 01:09
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There only defense I think they have pulled to not being political is that the investigation was called by the nbn co not the government, but the nbn co board was sacked and replaced with liberal shills I thought. It's definitely ratty.
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May 20, 2016 01:18
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MaliciousOnion posted:http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/19/australian-federal-police-raid-labor-party-offices-in-melbourne  I remain as baffled by the LNP reelection strategy as I ever was by the ALP's. Incompetence squared?A list of some of Duttons 'achievements': Forced a raped, pregnant asylum seeker onto a late-night charter flight to Nauru. Only front bencher to boycott the apology to the stolen generations. Sent text calling a journalist a "mad f---ing witch" (to the journalist). Spent $55 million to resettle almost no asylum seekers in Cambodia. Responded to two refugees tragically setting themselves on fire by blaming activists. Caught joking about climate impacts on low-lying Pacific Islands while on diplomatic visit. Border Force's 'Operation Fortitude' fiasco to randomly check visas of Melbourne pedestrians. As Health Minister, cut $57 billion from our local hospitals. As Health Minister, tried to bring in a GP co-payment. Voted "worst Health Minister in 35 years" by doctors. From https://www.getup.org.au/ditch-dutton
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May 20, 2016 01:23
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Cartoon posted:I get that all this Sturm und Drang may be a distraction from actual news but surely drawing attention to the NBN being a massive fuckup that the PM is directly responsible for is a solid own goal? The AFP deny any political inducement Nobody ever mentions that he made a joke about "cape york time" just before the joke about sea levels. Why? Its at least as bad if not worse imo
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May 20, 2016 01:31
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https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/05/14/libs-plan-preference-deals-with-greens-wedge-labor/14631480003245
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May 20, 2016 01:33
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So what was her sentence? God this is starting to feel like the Dock Workers situation from the late 90s.
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May 20, 2016 01:44
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christ ulhman on abc talking about all the way cool insider afp stuff hes been privilege tooAnidav posted:https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/05/14/libs-plan-preference-deals-with-greens-wedge-labor/14631480003245 But i already read my 1/1 free article this month 
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May 20, 2016 01:48
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Anidav posted:https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/05/14/libs-plan-preference-deals-with-greens-wedge-labor/14631480003245 You Am I posted:I guess the only pollie worth voting for now is Ricky Muir.
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May 20, 2016 01:55
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good job claiming privilege Labor "yeah, we did something wrong but it's privileged so you can't use the evidence as proof we did it" is an argument voters regularly understand and sympathise with Bill Shorten is a literal car crash and will never be PM
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May 20, 2016 02:09
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Solemn Sloth posted:The documents taken in the NBN raids have been put under parliamentary privilege and are thus sealed until parliament decides to unseal them. Pretty convenient for noone to be able to defend themselves until after the election that's not how parliamentary privilege works
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May 20, 2016 02:10
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katlington posted:But i already read my 1/1 free article this month Libs plan preference deals with Greens to wedge Labor By masterminding a preference strategy favouring the Greens in five key seats, the Coalition aims to divide and rule the progressive side of politics. Political fragmentation that makes it systemically easier for the Liberal–National Coalition to form government than Labor is poised to become an ongoing legacy of the Turnbull government’s 2016 federal election strategy. The Liberals’ likely direction of preferences to the Greens in five Melbourne and Sydney seats is designed to divide and rule the progressive side of politics by building up a left-leaning third party rump in the house of representatives. Undermining Labor’s seat count in its own right, it would set the Coalition up to win more seats than the ALP in the lower house on an ongoing basis, conferring the first right to form government in the event neither side wins a clear majority. “The government is warning of the dangers of a hung parliament at the same time as they’re trying to create one,” opposition leader Bill Shorten told The Saturday Paper this week. “I think people who vote for the Greens political party should be very alive to the fact that their vote will actually be a vote for the Liberals and their agenda of $100,000 uni degrees, cuts to Medicare and cuts to schools.” The strategy, conceived by Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger, is set to be quietly extended to two winnable seats for the Greens in Sydney, giving the Greens the potential to achieve a critical mass in the lower house it would otherwise struggle to achieve. “What that does is create more likelihood of hung parliaments,” a senior Labor election strategist told The Saturday Paper. “It’s a deal that makes it more likely that Peter Dutton remains immigration minister after the next election.” The dynamic echoes the ongoing advantage the conservative Cameron government in Britain now enjoys because of the Scottish National Party’s inroads into Labour’s seat count, effectively ending Labour’s chance of forming government well into the future. In a successful strategy crafted by Australian political consultant Lynton Crosby for the Conservatives at last year’s British election, the idea of a Labour–SNP coalition was simultaneously whipped up and demonised by Conservatives despite Labour’s absolute rejection of it. In a comparable ploy in the 2016 Australian federal election, Coalition MPs and parts of the media – notably News Corp – are propagating and demonising the idea of a Labor–Greens coalition in Australia, an idea rejected by the ALP as “dreaming”. At the same time, the Liberals are preparing to direct preferences to the Greens in five seats, ensuring the very fragmentation of which they are ostensibly warning. One seat, Melbourne, is already held by the Greens’ Adam Bandt but is under strong challenge from Labor candidate and Socialist Left faction member Sophie Ismail. The other four – Batman and Wills in Victoria and Sydney and Grayndler in New South Wales – are prospective Greens gains in the context of Liberal preference assistance. The development has been barely reported outside Melbourne despite its national significance. Those reports have framed it as part of a Liberals–Greens deal that would see the Greens issue “open tickets” that don’t direct preferences in a number of vulnerable marginal Liberal seats. While not a “swap”, the preference deal would subtly, but in extremely tight contests potentially decisively, affect the result by shifting the two-party-preferred vote a few vital percentage points. The Greens’ Member for Melbourne Adam Bandt denied the existence of such a deal with the Liberals this week. A spokesperson for Greens leader Senator Richard Di Natale reiterated this to The Saturday Paper, adding that there were ample precedents for the Greens not directing preferences in some seats. However, an agreement to provide mutual aid against Labor in Victoria while ensuring preference swap deniability is as good as done, according to Labor strategists. “We sat down with the Greens as always and asked, ‘Can we talk a national deal?’ ” a senior Labor negotiator said this week of recent preference discussions. “They said, ‘No, we can talk to you about every state except Victoria.’ ” Victoria is the state where Kroger, unusually enjoying support across the factional spectrum, is driving the preference strategy. The Australian reported one right-wing Victorian Liberal MP saying in response to the ploy this week, “I loving hate the Greens but I am backing Michael Kroger 100 per cent.” Moderate Liberal Jeff Kennett also gave his tacit support, according to the report. Labor says the pattern of statements and behaviour evident in preference discussions mirrors those held behind the scenes during negotiations over changes to senate electoral laws last month. Labor long knew of the secret deal to secure passage of the senate electoral law changes because the government had offered it the same deal at the same time but was rebuffed. The Greens denied a deal until the last moment, then backed the government. Kroger is pushing the preference strategy aggressively, despite repeated public statements over years that it should be an “article of faith” for Liberals to put the Greens last when it comes to preferences. “I don’t think the Liberal Party should ever do a deal with the Greens,” he told Sky News in 2013, “because they’re a poisonous and insidious influence on Australian politics.” The prospect is a deep concern for former Liberal prime minister John Howard, who told ABC TV’s 7.30 in March of his fears that the deal between the Turnbull government and the Greens to get changes to senate electoral laws through parliament might signal further joint political manoeuvres. “I hope,” he said, “this doesn’t presage some kind of understanding about preferences in house of representatives elections between the Coalition and the Greens.” But a number of disparate, unexpected factors are emerging early in the 2016 campaign which, while each of modest size, may provide a significant cumulative boost to the federal Labor vote as the campaign unfolds. The first is a potential spillover from the catastrophic fall in the popularity of the Western Australian Liberal state government led by Colin Barnett, with the two-party-preferred vote showing Labor ahead 54–46 points in the latest Newspoll – a strong lead despite the perceived unexceptional leadership quality of Labor leader Mark McGowan. There are also fears the debate raging in the election campaign’s first week over the retrospective superannuation tax policy changes announced in the budget earlier this month may bite extra hard in WA. Latent memories of retrospective tax law changes made by John Howard when treasurer in the Fraser government, in response to the bottom-of-the-harbour tax schemes, caused particular animosity in Perth in the early 1980s and linger. These factors, combined with negative atmospherics surrounding the end of the mining boom, have Liberal strategists worried about the potential loss of up to four seats in WA. In Queensland, the election of a new state Liberal National Party opposition leader, Tim Nicholls, a leading proponent of former LNP premier Campbell Newman’s politically disastrous privatisation agenda, holds the potential to remind Queensland voters of the nasty policy surprises electing Liberal governments can hold. Tony Abbott’s muscularity was perceived to be a better political fit with ordinary Queenslanders than prime minister Malcolm Turnbull’s softer personal style. It remains to be seen whether that translates into softer support for the Coalition in a state where Labor must win a swag of seats to have a hope of winning national office. In contrast, the prime minister is perceived as a vote-saver in Adelaide, where seats such as Sturt, held by industry minister Christopher Pyne, are considered natural Turnbull territory by local Liberals. “Malcolm has been embraced by South Australians,” Pyne told The Saturday Paper, “because as a more progressive state than perhaps others, we like what he believes in and who he is.” With the decision to build the next-generation fleet of Australian submarines in Adelaide – instead of Japan, as Abbott planned – Turnbull “has delivered in spades” for South Australia, says Pyne, who is featuring the prime minister prominently in his local campaign. However, even Turnbull’s Adelaide-friendly persona may not save Liberal MP Jamie Briggs in Mayo, where the strongest of the Nick Xenophon Team’s lower house candidates, Rebekha Sharkie, coincidentally, and briefly, a former Jamie Briggs staffer, is a real chance to defeat him in the wake of his Hong Kong scandal. Another sleeper issue is the shadow Abbott loyalists are casting over some seats, including the Liberal marginal Eden-Monaro in NSW, where sitting member Peter Hendy faces shovel-leaning by the Abbott-aligned among his local rank-and-file branch members. Turnbull’s on-the-ground agenda in the NSW marginal seat of Lindsay had to be changed after he and Liberal MP Fiona Scott were intensively questioned by journalists about her switch from Abbott to Turnbull in last year’s leadership ballot. Whether Abbott himself will make election interventions the way Kevin Rudd did against Julia Gillard in the 2010 federal campaign remains an open and intriguing question. At the end of week one, it is clear the election will be much tighter than initially expected, with little room for error.
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May 20, 2016 02:15
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Lol at the Hun's front page. COPS RAID LABOUR
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May 20, 2016 02:24
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RDN has always been bourgie garbage. Unfortunately this got out right AFTER national conference where we could have tossed him to the wolves and elected a different leader.
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May 20, 2016 02:29
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The only people fit to run the Greens are Tasmanians because we're all too poor to have au pairs and all too illiterate to abuse industrial relations law.
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May 20, 2016 02:30
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When I was <7 for I have no idea how long I had a nanny, or au pair, or live in baby-sitter or whatever word suits. I'm pretty sure she worked in exchange for board but who knows if there was other money changing hands. My mum was a single working mother, my dad died and mum worked in the public service so we weren't rich or upper class either. The girl who took care of me was from the country, so it suited her to stay with us in inner melb, and sometimes I would go stay with her family during kinder/school holidays. Having help in the house doesn't make him rich. Being rich makes him rich.
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May 20, 2016 02:37
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On the other hand, Victoria is best state. My au pair was my Nona who lived with us in a granny flat at the back.
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May 20, 2016 02:43
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Anidav posted:Libs plan preference deals with Greens to wedge Labor I don't know about Melbourne, but LNP preferences to the Greens will not change the result in Sydney and Grayndler.
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May 20, 2016 02:43
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Anidav posted:Undermining Labor’s seat count in its own right, it would set the Coalition up to win more seats than the ALP in the lower house on an ongoing basis, conferring the first right to form government in the event neither side wins a clear majority. This could so easily backfire on the Libs. More like "first right to be told by the Greens they won't go into coalition with the Libs."
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May 20, 2016 02:50
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V for Vegas posted:I don't know about Melbourne, but LNP preferences to the Greens will not change the result in Sydney and Grayndler. You have anything to back up the Grayndler assertion? From what I have heard, the only way that Greens have a chance in Grayndler is if the Libs preference Greens over labor. As in the Liberal HTV cards have a far bigger impact on Liberal voters than it does Green voters.
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May 20, 2016 02:56
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We don't have enough seats for a UK situation do we? They have like hundreds of seats we only have 150.
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May 20, 2016 03:00
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It's a cunning plan, my lord, but if the notionally Labour seats go Green instead how is a minority Liberal government going to be any better for them than the current hostile senate?
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May 20, 2016 03:01
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Kat Delacour posted:When I was <7 for I have no idea how long I had a nanny, or au pair, or live in baby-sitter or whatever word suits. I'm pretty sure she worked in exchange for board but who knows if there was other money changing hands. My mum was a single working mother, my dad died and mum worked in the public service so we weren't rich or upper class either. The girl who took care of me was from the country, so it suited her to stay with us in inner melb, and sometimes I would go stay with her family during kinder/school holidays. Having help in the house doesn't make him rich. Being rich makes him rich. It either means he's rich or not paying them enough. Or, in this case, due to our lovely IR laws, both.
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May 20, 2016 03:06
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Kat Delacour posted:It's a cunning plan, my lord, but if the notionally Labour seats go Green instead how is a minority Liberal government going to be any better for them than the current hostile senate?
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May 20, 2016 03:08
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should have known when he wore a turtleneck in GQ real greens wear flanno
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May 20, 2016 03:09
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Real Greens wear nothing at all. *Di Natalie wiggling rear end at Bill Shorten* Stupid sexy preferences.
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May 20, 2016 03:10
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Negligent posted:should have known when he wore a turtleneck in GQ fruity lexia makes you sexier
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May 20, 2016 03:14
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Sooner or late this has to devolve into preventing the Libs passing anything the ALP don't like, and the electorate realizing it. Please?
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May 20, 2016 03:18
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Freudian Slip posted:You have anything to back up the Grayndler assertion? From what I have heard, the only way that Greens have a chance in Grayndler is if the Libs preference Greens over labor. http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/guide/gray/ quote:
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May 20, 2016 03:29
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Endman posted:It either means he's rich or not paying them enough. Or, in this case, due to our lovely IR laws, both. Maybe I'm part of the problem but I don't actually see what is wrong with exchanging board for wages, that is sum total greater than min wage per hour, for jobs where the workplace has accommodation. Like, if you had to live on a resort island/ski lodge/outdoor camp for work and you salary sacrificed or whatever your accommodations where the net result was a fair wage, because you would have spent that money on living expenses anyway, but the on-paper pay was less. It doesn't seem like exploitation to me unless the workplace is also otherwise exploitative, e.g. you're paid on an hourly basis but don't have set work hours so you're expected to be permanently on-call above and beyond the paid amount. G-Spot Run fucked around with this message at 03:36 on May 20, 2016 |
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May 20, 2016 03:34
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Kat Delacour posted:Maybe I'm part of the problem but I don't actually see what is wrong with exchanging board for wages, that is sum total greater than min wage per hour, for jobs where the workplace has accommodation. Like, if you had to live on a resort island/ski lodge/outdoor camp for work and you salary sacrificed or whatever your accommodations where the net result was a fair wage, because you would have spent that money on living expenses anyway, but the on-paper pay was less. It doesn't seem like exploitation to me unless the workplace is also otherwise exploitative, e.g. you're paid on an hourly basis but don't have set work hours so you're expected to be permanently on-call above and beyond the paid amount. I think we're just at an impasse here, but there's a huge problem in my opinion. Au pairs live with the family in order to do their job, so you're effectively making the worker pay for their ability to work for you. It'd be like making an office worker pay for the installation of their office furniture.
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May 20, 2016 03:40
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Technically there's nothing wrong with taking a portion of salary in kind. Both parties agree on the value of the non cash payment and sign a thingy. the problem is that free market lolbertarians take "freedom of contract" to mean "I can exploit foreign labourers".
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May 20, 2016 03:42
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Kat Delacour posted:Maybe I'm part of the problem but I don't actually see what is wrong with exchanging board for wages, that is sum total greater than min wage per hour, for jobs where the workplace has accommodation. Like, if you had to live on a resort island/ski lodge/outdoor camp for work and you salary sacrificed or whatever your accommodations where the net result was a fair wage, because you would have spent that money on living expenses anyway, but the on-paper pay was less. It doesn't seem like exploitation to me unless the workplace is also otherwise exploitative, e.g. you're paid on an hourly basis but don't have set work hours so you're expected to be permanently on-call above and beyond the paid amount. I believe many 19th century captains of industry had the same attitude, right up to paying people in company scrip
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May 20, 2016 03:50
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Endman posted:I think we're just at an impasse here, but there's a huge problem in my opinion. Au pairs live with the family in order to do their job, so you're effectively making the worker pay for their ability to work for you. It'd be like making an office worker pay for the installation of their office furniture. abolish money and begin my new "Pay for Tanks" scheme. You work hard, government gives you T-90.
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May 20, 2016 03:51
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Endman posted:The only people fit to run the Greens are Tasmanians because we're all too poor to have au pairs and all too illiterate to abuse industrial relations law. M8 I'd be down with this if you weren't currently electing nick loving McKim and PWW as your top two senate spots. Tassie needs to get its poo poo together.
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May 20, 2016 03:52
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Senor Tron posted:I believe many 19th century captains of industry had the same attitude, right up to paying people in company scrip Ya and you could also reason we shouldn't fine companies for paying zero tax because it's technically legal and they received the advice from financial experts.
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May 20, 2016 03:53
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Yeah you probably shouldn't fine people if they haven't broken the law?
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May 20, 2016 03:56
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turdbucket posted:M8 I'd be down with this if you weren't currently electing nick loving McKim and PWW as your top two senate spots. Tassie needs to get its poo poo together. Oh no, you get to keep them Federally so we don't have to have them down here. Kicking those two upstairs has done wonders for the state party's stupid-poo poo-per-second statistic.
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May 20, 2016 04:00
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If Di Natale is paying them minimum wage or above then he hasn't broken the law and the law around wages going to room and board need looking at.
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