|
turdbucket posted:Correct, he is technically only the Parliamentary leader, doesn't stop him from addressing himself as THE leader constantly though. Also doesn't stop him being a wealthy man who pays his live in servants $150 a week and charges them $300 for the privilege of living on his private ranch. Did you know when RDN is flying around like a real politician he has an assistant carry his bags? Now this is the right man to lead a socialist party! Fairly certain the $300 is both not charged AND is some sort of random estimate from the newspapers? All I know is that if I had $300 after a fortnight of me and my wife's income left after bills, groceries, and rent (the main bills which the au pair doesn't seem to have to pay for), I'd actually be making MORE money than I am now. Definitely could stand to be more regulated but there's no point in willfully misinterpreting the situation.
|
#
?
May 21, 2016 23:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 00:03 |
|
|
turdbucket posted:Correct, he is technically only the Parliamentary leader, doesn't stop him from addressing himself as THE leader constantly though. Also doesn't stop him being a wealthy man who pays his live in servants $150 a week and charges them $300 for the privilege of living on his private ranch. Did you know when RDN is flying around like a real politician he has an assistant carry his bags? Now this is the right man to lead a socialist party! Pff socialism, weaksauce. When the lower house goes green the Senate's getting dissolved and all the gruneliberalen fabian wannabes can join NXT while the state is dismantled according to naomi kleins instructions.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 00:53
|
|
|
meteor9 posted:Fairly certain the $300 is both not charged AND is some sort of random estimate from the newspapers? All I know is that if I had $300 after a fortnight of me and my wife's income left after bills, groceries, and rent (the main bills which the au pair doesn't seem to have to pay for), I'd actually be making MORE money than I am now. It's charged in the sense that he doesn't pay them the money that would otherwise be used to pay that $300 a week in food, board (and looked like car hire too.) It's a pretty good deal, but really prone to abuse and exactly the sort of situation that sees recent migrants turned into literal slaves and should be shutdown as quickly as possible.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 00:56
|
|
|
thatbastardken posted:actually RDN is cool, and good, and did nothing wrong. Yeah i dont think he did anything wrong re paying the nanny. Somebody explain it to me
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 01:50
|
|
|
 new OP logo
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 02:26
|
|
|
 
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 02:55
|
|
|
The au pair thing doesn't seem that bad if you think about what an au pair is, which is generally a young woman on some sort of cultural exchange (i.e. a working holiday) and only staying for a short time. If being an au pair was a career then I'd understand the outrage. I guess you could also argue that being an au pair should be a career, and that treating them differently is exploitative and takes jobs away from professional nannies, but I'm not sure I find that argument convincing.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:04
|
|
|
I leave the house for one night and come back to Negligent having a nuclear meltdown
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:05
|
|
|
Is there a link to his meltdown? Sounds like something fun to read over a lunchtime beer.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:07
|
|
|
open24hours posted:The au pair thing doesn't seem that bad if you think about what an au pair is, which is generally a young woman on some sort of cultural exchange (i.e. a working holiday) and only staying for a short time. If being an au pair was a career then I'd understand the outrage. You could also think of it in the argument of "woman's work" and housework being given no value and childcare's and babysitters usually being underpaid. Someone else should do a write up of why withholding wages from your employees in favour of non-monetary goods is a bad thing because they can probably explain it better than me. Again what RDN did wasn't illegal but he took advantage of the kind of thing the Greens are fighting against, and as he has decided to appoint himself the representative of the party and it's members without consultation with the members he should be ready to face the extra scrutiny that deserves. He's a true "pragmatic" politician like Nick Clegg and a whole jumble of Green politicians around the world who have watered down and backed away from left wing positions in order to win a little influence in government. Not to say Clegg was left wing but he certainly sold out the members and his party for a part in a coalition, ending with his parties wipeout.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:17
|
|
|
iajanus posted:Is there a link to his meltdown? Sounds like something fun to read over a lunchtime beer. Literally nothing about Negligent's posting has ever been the slightest bit interesting
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:28
|
|
|
iajanus posted:Is there a link to his meltdown? Sounds like something fun to read over a lunchtime beer. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3774162&userid=204309 There's seven pages of lead up if you like a cliffhanger. Now that he's gone (till the inevitable rereg and/or parachute) it's perhaps a good time to reflect upon how pleasant the week without him was and once again in the strongest possible terms tell you muppets to never reply to obvious trolls. See that above? There are seven full pages of a desperate cry for your response. Sure if there was absolutely nothing else to talk about maybe, maybe there'd be a reason to reply but ffs. He could truly use the puppet master defence because you muppets are loving pathetic at impulse control. I've met better governed two year olds. Shorten vowes to remove any PBS co-payment. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-22/election-2016-shorten-to-make-pbs-promise-in-sydney-seat-of-reid/7435076 Such a shame he isn't going to win.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:31
|
|
|
Because poo poo like this happens if you let this sort of thing go unchecked. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/644034/Man-woman-Rochdale-slavery-offences-charged http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/10/houston-couple-forced-nanny-into-slavery.html
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:34
|
|
|
Pretty funny seeing people in auspol saying we should just trust an employer
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:36
|
|
|
I didn't see the meltdown because I have Negligent on ignore.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:42
|
|
|
WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Because poo poo like this happens if you let this sort of thing go unchecked. If you're the kind of person who would keep a slave I'm not sure changes to employment law would stop you.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:44
|
|
|
open24hours posted:If you're the kind of person who would keep a slave I'm not sure changes to employment law would stop you. No, but it would be harder to both lure someone in and get them wholly dependent on you. Someone made the apt comparison before that it's essentially company scrip.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:46
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:47
|
|
|
It's paying them $487 a week and then charging $300 for room and board and use of a car, what's the big deal?
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:48
|
|
|
turdbucket posted:Again what RDN did wasn't illegal but he took advantage of the kind of thing the Greens are fighting against, and as he has decided to appoint himself the representative of the party quote:and it's members without consultation with the members quote:he should be ready to face the extra scrutiny that deserves. He's a true "pragmatic" politician like Nick Clegg and a whole jumble of Green politicians around the world who have watered down and backed away from left wing positions in order to win a little influence in government. What positions has he backed away from?
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:50
|
|
|
starkebn posted:It's paying them $487 a week and then charging $300 for room and board and use of a car, what's the big deal? Then that's the arrangement it should be under, not $150 a week with food, board and car for free.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:52
|
|
|
katlington posted:Yeah i dont think he did anything wrong re paying the nanny. Somebody explain it to me I think the chances of a live in nanny only working 25 hours a week as Di Natale claims are about zero.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:54
|
|
|
WhiskeyWhiskers posted:No, but it would be harder to both lure someone in and get them wholly dependent on you. Its not being paid in company script its paying for room and food. WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Then that's the arrangement it should be under, not $150 a week with food, board and car for free.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 03:57
|
|
|
Frogmanv2 posted:No he didnt. He was voted in. Really? I don't live in Victoria so I didn't vote for him at preselection. I also don't remember voting for him to represent the party? He likes to sent me letters constantly telling me he is my leader yet I don't remember ever having the option of voting for or against him. Don't act like MPs voting for the leader count is in any way democratic. Backed away from free education, backed away from basic income, backed away from pushing our IR laws and left wing rhetoric in favour of appealing to small l liberals. At the moment he's still bound by member policy but who knows what he will do when the ALP offer him a cabinet position if they need the Greens to form government. Defend him all you want but don't pretend like the members had any say in his election to the leadership or have any say in removing him from the leadership. Defending someone who has shown he has little regard for the grassroots membership in a grassroots party is beyond idiotic, do you want a repeat of Tasmania or Germany?
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:12
|
|
|
Cartoon posted:Shorten vowes to remove any PBS co-payment. Negligent parachute account spotted.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:14
|
|
|
My favourite part about all of this is just how insane the NSW Young Greens have gone, yet again. They're basically an arm of the Salties within the Greens, it's classic
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:18
|
|
|
katlington posted:Its not being paid in company script its paying for room and food. Not from the article I read.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:20
|
|
|
Murodese posted:My favourite part about all of this is just how insane the NSW Young Greens have gone, yet again. They're basically an arm of the Salties within the Greens, it's classic My favourite part of this whole thing is defending a rich man for at best paying his live in servants $18 an hour. I wonder how people would have reacted if this was about Shorten or Turnbull but i guess they don't have live in nannies? I guess there really isn't the potential of a Corbyn/Sanders type movement here lol
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:29
|
|
|
turdbucket posted:My favourite part of this whole thing is defending a rich man for at best paying his live in servants $18 an hour. I wonder how people would have reacted if this was about Shorten or Turnbull but i guess they don't have live in nannies? No it's cool, he paid someone else a lot of money to find out the least amount of money he could pay his servants without it being illegal.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:32
|
|
|
Have none of you really ever had a job with expenses deducted from your pay?turdbucket posted:My favourite part of this whole thing is defending a rich man for at best paying his live in servants $18 an hour. I wonder how people would have reacted if this was about Shorten or Turnbull but i guess they don't have live in nannies? Im not even defending him i just wanted to know what the objection was
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:33
|
|
|
turdbucket posted:I guess there really isn't the potential of a Corbyn/Sanders type movement here lol If there was it would probably come from the ALP, not the Greens.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:33
|
|
|
katlington posted:Have none of you really ever had a job with expenses deducted from your pay? No I haven't, but I also expect that it's pretty rare for people to be paid below the minimum wage due to it. And also DAAS Kapitalist posted:I think the chances of a live in nanny only working 25 hours a week as Di Natale claims are about zero.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:42
|
|
|
katlington posted:Have none of you really ever had a job with expenses deducted from your pay? Sorry I'm more replying to others defending him, someone posted awhile ago in this thread why it's bad to pay workers in anything other than real wages. But even if you take the line it's fine to pay in board when you add it up the leader of a progressive party, a party trying to end the attack on low income workers and the poor has paid his au pairs $18 an hour. He could have come out and apologised and talked about how the Greens are trying to end the practice but instead he brushed it off as a smear attack and that he technically didn't do anything illegal because he paid an accountant or whatever to get him the cheap labour legally as WW mentioned lol. Just because RDN is poo poo doesn't mean I'm saying the Greens are poo poo. I have had deductions from my pay as I have previously worked picking fruit in QLD and it really sucked but it was the only work I could find at the time. I know exactly what kind of abuse that system leads to.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:48
|
|
|
open24hours posted:If there was it would probably come from the ALP, not the Greens. Probably true to be honest maybe it's time to switch and believe in change from within~
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 04:54
|
|
|
No Don't. Change from within is a carrot on a stick scheme for as long as the right control the caucus. Any left wing leader from the ALP will just be caught in a rock and a hard place and unable to do much change. Except approved and scripted change agreed upon via third way bullshit and negotiations between factions.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 05:02
|
|
|
Probably better off joining the Liberal party and changing that from within.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 05:03
|
|
|
quote:On our last afternoon with Joyce, we return to Rutherglen for a photo shoot. Not for the first time, he anguishes over how much work the place needs – "I always feel I've gotta come home and start!" – and the dire effects of the drought on pastures and water tables. At one stage I notice him standing beside the ever-diminishing creek, near his one-time Hobbit hole, looking as though he might cry. He's so close.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 05:07
|
|
|
open24hours posted:If there was it would probably come from the ALP, not the Greens. lol
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 05:19
|
|
|
It's worth remembering that Jeremy Corbyn is from the same party as Tony Blair.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 05:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 00:03 |
|
|
turdbucket posted:Really? I don't live in Victoria so I didn't vote for him at preselection. I also don't remember voting for him to represent the party? He likes to sent me letters constantly telling me he is my leader yet I don't remember ever having the option of voting for or against him. Don't act like MPs voting for the leader count is in any way democratic. quote:Backed away from free education, quote:backed away from basic income, quote:backed away from pushing our IR laws and left wing rhetoric in favour of appealing to small l liberals. quote:At the moment he's still bound by member policy but who knows what he will do when the ALP offer him a cabinet position if they need the Greens to form government.
|
|
#
?
May 22, 2016 05:29
|
|