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So real talk: has everyone plotted their tasting platter for democracy? All mine are within walking distance and feature both veg and cake stalls.
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Anidav posted:I would Annex New Zealand so that we get Carls Jr. That is my election platform. Pro Burg. Psshh, amateur hour. Annex California so we can get In 'N' Out Burger. Only then will you earn my vote. Anidav posted:I would also make this our national anthem. Ok forget what I said about the burger thing. Anidav for lifetime PM.
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fliptophead posted:So real talk: has everyone plotted their tasting platter for democracy? the place that's the closest to my house puts the food out the back and I have to say hi to all the how to vote people three times its bullshit
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MC Eating Disorder posted:the place that's the closest to my house puts the food out the back and I have to say hi to all the how to vote people three times its bullshit Mine also does this but had some real nice cakes during the local election so it might be worth it
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MC Eating Disorder posted:the place that's the closest to my house puts the food out the back and I have to say hi to all the how to vote people three times its bullshit That is bs but do they say hello back?
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Council election pamphlet dudes were really friendly but state election people were real cold last time like they'd seen some poo poo, was Campbell newmans ousting, they clearly were not looking forward to it
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MC Eating Disorder posted:Council election pamphlet dudes were really friendly but state election people were real cold last time like they'd seen some poo poo, was Campbell newmans ousting, they clearly were not looking forward to it It was weird. At my booth at least, Council election had really friendly Libs and kinda jerky Labor guys, but it was the other way around at the State Election. I think it was just the particular booth I was stationed at and isn't reflective of the campaign or other booths. Bottom line, Indro Uniting Church has the best music and snags #fact
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turdbucket posted:And I'm sorry you are such a pedant. yeah it's still Greens policy but he doesn't exactly like to advertise the fact does he? Can we trust him to push the issue if the Greens are holding the balance of power after this election or in future? Maybe he will but maybe he won't. I'd like for the MPs to debate and discuss how they would like us to prioritise and advertise ourselves as a party, advertise because the only real power the leader should have is the power of getting more media coverage due to being the "leader" of the Greens and then for the membership to come together and vote on the new leader and therefore the kind of rhetoric and positioning we want to move forward with. This is a good post. There's a 'six of one half a dozen of the other' issue with party-politics, sometimes good people get squashed by the party, sometimes its the only thing that reigns them in. In the end, you should be voting for the party not the man because surely by now you all understand its the party that has the power, not its representative. RDN sucks and the way he got in also sucks, but elections are tests as well as opportunities and it will get interesting afterwards indeed, and he wanted the test so he'll rise to it or fail. A good thing about the Greens as a party is that they're not shy of criticising their leaders in public, they're not run by a PR firm (an interesting claim Andrew Elder is presently making about the Libs), and that criticism doesn't have the blow-back the majors have such terror of. It's a drat sight more democratic than the ALP too. For me, that's the most genuinely advanced structure in a Federal party in over 40 years. So while I don't have much faith in the current leader, I do have faith in its members.
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Newspoll's out. No change.GhostWhoVotes posted:#Newspoll Federal 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 49 (0) ALP 51 (0) #ausvotes
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Maybe Australians will get used to the idea that a hung parliament isn't such a bad thing after all??? hah who am I kidding
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Anidav posted:Hung parliament. I didn't know the Hague still had that on the cards for crimes against humanity.
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Solemn Sloth posted:FTFY No one would claim James Hird is their favourite genius these days Can't even lie to the cops properly Mr Speaker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTDiC0huVDs
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Lid posted:No one would claim James Hird is their favourite genius these days clearly you haven't met any true believer #standbyhird #donthesash fanatics
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Im in sydney its a miracle if i meet someone who knows afl is a sport and not a sitcom alien typo
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Lid posted:He's so close. I liked this bit quote:We coast through rundown little hill-country settlements which Joyce says house his strongest political supporters. They're mostly battlers who get by on part-time work and welfare. Some have been here for generations; others, typically from Sydney's west, come in search of cheap housing and a better way of life. Their houses are ramshackle and tiny yet brightly painted, often with Australian flags or smiley-faces displayed in the windows. "They're very proud of their country," says Joyce. "You see other people who the country has given so much, and they're cynical and run it down. These people have so little, yet they love the place so much." Oh barnabus
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katlington posted:I liked this bit cognitive dissonance
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Lid posted:Im in sydney its a miracle if i meet someone who knows afl is a sport and not a sitcom alien typo One of my favourite things about the city.
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Counterpoint to some of the hate lately, RDN is great, highly intelligent, very eloquent and principled. The way he became parliamentary leader was through parliamentary representative rules - don't see why anyone has an issue.
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iajanus posted:One of my favourite things about the city.  I'd much rather people talk about a sport where the team captains drink dog piss or whatever the gently caress you weirdos do up there
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starkebn posted:Counterpoint to some of the hate lately, RDN is great, highly intelligent, very eloquent and principled. The way he became parliamentary leader was through parliamentary representative rules - don't see why anyone has an issue. I think he's well spoken and is doing well acting as a respectable figurehead for the party. I expect the Murdoch press to be digging as hard as they can against him.
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Frogmanv2 posted:Thats not what you stated. If you would like to change your argument, then go for it, but to say he appointed himself is entirely wrong. Okay, so let's address something here. There are two forms of "policy" within the Australian Greens - there is the overall policy which guides decision-making in Parliament, and there are "policy initiatives" or "election initiatives." Overall policy is set through membership input, although how much input is debatable. NSW is consistently the slowest state to respond with policy amendments and consensus at the national policy coordination group, because we put policy decisions before meetings of our state council, which involve every local group in NSW. In Victoria, policy decisions are made by the state executive, since Victoria is much more centralised than NSW. Policy initiatives, on the other hand, are crafted and decided upon by the party room. That's why, for example, free education is technically a policy, but doesn't appear in any of our education materials aside from the ones Lee Rhiannon went rogue on and printed herself. The party room doesn't run free education as a focus (not since they ripped the education portfolio away from Lee), even when talking about education, because it has been decided that it's too radical and makes us look less professional and trustworthy. The tone and tenor of policy initiatives has gone significantly to the right under Richard, and his messaging focuses on the greens being mainstream, trustworthy and professional. Frogmanv2 posted:They could have if they wanted to. Pretty sure there was a committee that established and voted for who should be on the leadership panel and it was made up of members of the greens party. Where did you hear this? The leadership ballot was held entirely within the party room, voted on entirely by the party room. The National Council had no say over the leadership election, since as has been made clear, the "leader" is only the leader of the party room, despite the fact that he likes to act like he's the leader of the Greens. Turdbucket is right - anyone outside of Victoria has had no say on Richard's preselection or election, and their say on his elevation to leader has been limited to solely their Parliamentary representation. In the case of NSW, we had one vote among 11, despite boasting a third of the membership and providing the lion's share of ongoing funding to the national party. National Council or Conference choosing the leader would be a FAR fairer and more representative system. Frogmanv2 posted:Maybe you should join the quick action committee if you would like a bigger say in what goes on? What committees are you a part of? [on second thought, removing this - but suffice to say "some significant committees"] Quantum Mechanic fucked around with this message at 00:56 on May 23, 2016 |
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I don't get the RDN hate. I don't really know much about him except that he seems to be a far more charismatic and likeable public figurehead for the Greens than Milne was.
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Quantum Mechanic posted:National Council or Conference choosing the leader would be a FAR fairer and more representative system. And introducing the new leader of the Greens, Sarah Hanson-young. *Monkey paw closes its finger.*
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Tokamak posted:And introducing the new leader of the Greens, Sarah Hanson-young. *Monkey paw closes its finger.* *Bill Leak claps*
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cognitive_dissonance.txt "Morrison attacks negative gearing" quote:Scott Morrison has sent out a statement which says Labor’s housing tax will see the wealthy continuing to negatively-gear existing housing stock while still gaining a “massive” tax advantage over low and middle income earners.
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Tokamak posted:And introducing the new leader of the Greens, Sarah Hanson-young. *Monkey paw closes its finger.* nah probably not, but honestly would prefer this with the ability to have a proportionate membership group remove her than a bunch of MPs with no accountability
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Kat Delacour posted:cognitive_dissonance.txt I agree Scott, we should abolish negative gearing altogether
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Let's have some responsible shooters as examples to us all! http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-23/arrest-threatens-michael-diamonds-olympic-shooting-dream/7436220 quote:Dual Olympic shooting gold medallist Michael Diamond arrested on drink-driving and gun charges The tears of a clown or just crocodile tears? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-23/sussan-ley-supports-medicare-rebate-freeze-rollback/7436538 quote:Election 2016: Sussan Ley says Finance, Treasury won't let her unfreeze Medicare rebates By political reporter Caitlyn Gribbin Updated 41 minutes ago  I mean aside from wearing a comically oversized T-Shirt that says "I'm a gently caress-up" what more can they do?Oh and wages growth (best leading indicator of economic performance) just took a poo poo. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6345.0/
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if the greens leader was elected by the party we all know it would be larissa, and then you would have a queenslander in charge and true corruption and incompetence could begin
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Sludge Tank posted:http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/3921416/pressure-on-labor-for-repeal-of-protest-law/?cs=87 Neat, so Labor will vote against anything the Greens say they support. I wonder how this can be leveraged.
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