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Night Force was a miniseries from the outset, I think.
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I will never forgive DC for working so hard to integrate lovely characters from lovely canceled books into other titles, but completely forgetting about all the Demon Knights except Vandal Savage and Etrigan the minute they canceled the book.
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May 22, 2016 19:19
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May 22, 2016 19:37
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I was more going for "did you remember these were even published?" and mostly things that lasted a year or less, though some of those books hung on for a shockingly long time (Stormwatch got thirty goddamn issues, somehow). I didn't include Demon Knights/I Vampire because people still lament them, vocally. No one laments Grifter or Hawkman.
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May 22, 2016 19:44
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Dexie posted:Demon Knights was too good for this world. Demon Knights was too good for DC Comics.
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May 22, 2016 20:08
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Just cancelled my preorder for the one-shot; I'm not gonna call for a boycott, but I might as well put my money where my mouth is. Not buying any Rebirth book that features Watchmen characters, either.
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May 22, 2016 21:32
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Looking forward to the neo-post-crisis continuity being rebooted with a Neil Gaiman's Sandman - themed crossover.
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May 22, 2016 22:03
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Looking forward to DC Unbirth, a line of comics catering to extremely specific fetishes.
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May 22, 2016 22:35
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Edge & Christian posted:I was more going for "did you remember these were even published?" and mostly things that lasted a year or less, though some of those books hung on for a shockingly long time (Stormwatch got thirty goddamn issues, somehow). I didn't include Demon Knights/I Vampire because people still lament them, vocally. No one laments Grifter or Hawkman. Not only do I not remember Nightforce, I'm not sure I knew it existed in the first place. This is not a joke, I genuinely don't think I even heard of it. What the gently caress was it?
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May 22, 2016 22:35
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Gaz-L posted:Not only do I not remember Nightforce, I'm not sure I knew it existed in the first place. This is not a joke, I genuinely don't think I even heard of it. What the gently caress was it? I'm in the same boat. I don't remember a single thing about it. I do remember a Shade mini and a Penguin mini though, from the start of the N52. Those were pretty good if I'm remembering right?
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May 22, 2016 22:39
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What the hell was Nightforce? Also, wasn't Voodoo supposed to be a big deal for some reason? Weren't the Daemonites also supposed to be a big deal? Did they ever reveal what the hell the Question was? They tried to sell a book just called "Sword and Sorcery!?" Why?! Why did I read the N52 as long as I did?
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May 22, 2016 22:44
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Little Mac posted:What the hell was Nightforce? Also, wasn't Voodoo supposed to be a big deal for some reason? Weren't the Daemonites also supposed to be a big deal? Did they ever reveal what the hell the Question was? They tried to sell a book just called "Sword and Sorcery!?" Why?! Why did I read the N52 as long as I did? IIRC, there was supposed to be a crossover centered around the Daemonites around fall 2012. Its abrupt cancellation is one of the things that led Rob Liefeld to very publicly and angrily quit DC.
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May 22, 2016 22:47
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Little Mac posted:What the hell was Nightforce? Also, wasn't Voodoo supposed to be a big deal for some reason? Weren't the Daemonites also supposed to be a big deal? Did they ever reveal what the hell the Question was? They tried to sell a book just called "Sword and Sorcery!?" Why?! Why did I read the N52 as long as I did? Because there was plenty of good in the New 52 too. And Sword of Sorcery starred Amethyst of Gemworld. I wish that book had actually went somewhere because Amethyst is neat. 
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May 22, 2016 22:48
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Night Force (which was in fact an seven issue mini-series from the start, my mistake) was a book that Marv Wolfman and Gene Colan did at DC in the early 1980s, sort of as a take-off of their Tomb of Dracula series at Marvel with "Baron Winters" hiring a Van Helsing to form a team to fight supernatural crime. It was not very successful and ended after fourteen issues. Wolfman brought it back in the 1990s as part of an abortive line that also included FATE (the extreme 1990s version of Doctor Fate, where the helmet is melted down and turned into throwing knives!). Scare Tactics (a monster rock band!) and a Challengers of the Unknown revamp that was originally a TV pitch to cash in on X-Files. This one had minimal connections to the first one (Baron Winters forms a new crew!) and ended after twelve issues. Wolfman brought Night Force back a THIRD time in the New 52 which was basically a reboot. Same gimmick. I'm still not sure how this series pitch got picked up three times over thirty years. And yeah, Daemonites were gonna be BIG in the New 52. They were seeded into a bunch of the launch titles (Grifter, Voodoo, Stormwatch, Demon Knights, Superman, Hawkman, the Para-Demons in the first Justice League arc were drawn to look a lot like Daemonites though maybe that's just Jim Lee). Hellspont was being set up as the new big Superman bad guy (with a mysterious connection to Krypton!) in that written-by-committee nightmare first year of Superman's N52 book. No idea why they dropped these plans. They seemed to do a lot of that in the early days of the New 52. Remember TRINITY WAR and the SECRET SOCIETY?
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May 22, 2016 23:09
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May 22, 2016 23:23
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Man, I forgot Demon Knights was New 52. I loved it but thought it started pre 52 and got rebooted. I think I got confused because the new 52 is bad and the second arc of Demon Knights when they changed writers like 16 issues in is also bad, so I assumed they were connected.
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May 22, 2016 23:25
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Dexie posted:Because there was plenty of good in the New 52 too. If DC actually wanted to bring in younger readers, they'd do a line with books like Teen Titans, Amethyst of Gemworld, The Metal Men, Kamandi, Static Shock, and Supergirl/Batgirl. That'd also involve putting decent writers on the books and not some has beens.
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May 22, 2016 23:31
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DC does not care about young readers because, and I will quote Bob Wayne here "Kids don't have money for comics so gently caress 'em."
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May 22, 2016 23:37
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So this is a thing
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May 22, 2016 23:38
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:So this is a thing Yes, we already know about it. Both of them exist. one is on the Titans and the other the Teen Titans.
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May 22, 2016 23:43
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I was talking about Wally's new costume and generally that scan giving us the first glimpse at some of the characters post rebirth like Artemis or Bizarro.
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May 22, 2016 23:46
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I hope one of the Wallys takes on the "Impulse" moniker because you can't bring Wally West back and not balance it out by widdling on Young Justice again. I think Didio made that company policy.
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May 23, 2016 00:27
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Edge & Christian posted:Remembering the New 52 Fallen: I couldn't even tell you what half of these books were about. The only one there I'd even be interested in is Captain Atom, I always liked him but I remember not liking the writer on the book when it launched so I never read it. I forgot who it was though. Has DC completely abandoned the idea of Hawk people? I can't remember the last time I heard about them being in a comic.
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May 23, 2016 01:11
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May 23, 2016 01:14
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X-O posted:I couldn't even tell you what half of these books were about. The only one there I'd even be interested in is Captain Atom, I always liked him but I remember not liking the writer on the book when it launched so I never read it. I forgot who it was though. Has DC completely abandoned the idea of Hawk people? I can't remember the last time I heard about them being in a comic. Not even one of those books were any good and every one of them were a sales disaster.
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May 23, 2016 01:18
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I think the bare minimum for the Manhattan twist being defensible as a purely creative decision would be if Johns was actually willing to own the obvious symbolic implications of using Dr. Manhattan as he's used here: "Yes, we believe Watchmen was a deeply flawed work that's responsible for the grim and gritty superhero comics that have been published since 1986, and we're going to have the heroes of the DC Universe fight it and everything it represents head-on." It would be a highly controversial opinion, and not one I'd agree with, and crashingly unsubtle in its execution, but it'd at least be consistent with what's on the printed page.
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May 23, 2016 01:34
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GI Zombie was legit
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May 23, 2016 02:11
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Yo the whole Watchmen thing is straight fuckin retarded and I really hoe this is te thing that blows up so spectacularly that DC finally as to do something new
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May 23, 2016 02:15
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Literally The Worst posted:Yo the whole Watchmen thing is straight fuckin retarded and I really hoe this is te thing that blows up so spectacularly that DC finally as to do something new The only thing that will force DC to do something new is a top to bottom shakeup of the editorial and management. Fire every one of them and bring in new people.
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May 23, 2016 02:22
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Rhyno posted:The only thing that will force DC to do something new is a top to bottom shakeup of the editorial and management. Fire every one of them and bring in new people. DC, I am available, just FYI. I will work cheap.
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May 23, 2016 02:27
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Travis343 posted:DC, I am available, just FYI. I will work cheap. I think Didio and the boys aren't even slightly worried anymore. Ever since the threat of giving control of DC to TW Book Group went away there's no publisher on hand to take over. Edit: I mean let's be real. We all know this isn't going to revive DC, it's just another LOOK AT US WE MAKE COMICS moment that they've been pulling for the last decade.
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May 23, 2016 02:30
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Rhyno posted:The only thing that will force DC to do something new is a top to bottom shakeup of the editorial and management. Fire every one of them and bring in new people. but for that to happen they need to have something blow up so spectacularly that they just hemorrhage money to the point that WB can't ignore it for example rebirth being the dumbest loving thing put to paper since dave sim's spawn issue
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May 23, 2016 02:36
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Literally The Worst posted:but for that to happen they need to have something blow up so spectacularly that they just hemorrhage money to the point that WB can't ignore it Let's see what June brings but I don't think it will blow up that bad. I mean poo poo, I have a dude who wants 5 copies of every Rebirth #1.
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May 23, 2016 02:38
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They would have to specifically gently caress something up about Batman for it to hurt their sales enough for WB to give a poo poo
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May 23, 2016 02:46
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Rhyno posted:Let's see what June brings but I don't think it will blow up that bad. I mean poo poo, I have a dude who wants 5 copies of every Rebirth #1. that guy is a loving moron and you should take him out back and shoot him and watch the average IQ of the collective comics fan sphere bubble whatever double
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May 23, 2016 02:50
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spoilers june is going to bring a big fat pile of bullshit
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Literally The Worst posted:that guy is a loving moron and you should take him out back and shoot him and watch the average IQ of the collective comics fan sphere bubble whatever double gently caress that I want his money Literally The Worst posted:spoilers june is going to bring a big fat pile of bullshit And July.
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May 23, 2016 02:57
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Ahahaha what the gently caress is going on here
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May 23, 2016 02:59
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Travis343 posted:They would have to specifically gently caress something up about Batman for it to hurt their sales enough for WB to give a poo poo Yeah, like if DC were solidly locked out of having any top 10 selling books for months on end again, then we could maybe start theorizing about the shakeup of DC, but even the cynic in me doesn't think it'll be that bad. Granted I don't think it'll be that good either. This isn't going to get DC a whole bunch of new first time readers and my longterm prediction for DC is still a slow death.
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It will definitely result in a decent sales boost for six months or so, maybe a bit more, but I highly doubt it'll fix any of their underlying problems.
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