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War Eagle posted:by making it out that we're a cult of personality that worships The Mittani Well that is what he self-identifies as: https://www.themittani.com/content/27-five-types-alliance-leader quote:Dear Leader: One of the most basic methods of human leadership, the cult of personality is maddeningly common in EVE - as in the real world. At the end he identifies himself as that type: quote:I once was a Grey Eminence, but then I learned a few things about human nature (none of them terribly pleasant) and abandoned the shadows to become a completely dictatorial Dear Leader.
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I always thought the cult thing was more for our enemies than anything. People love to kill the bogeyman and his henchmen.
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Daco Vato posted:I'm actually surprised it took PL this amount of time to push the wardec button. It's helpful to their undock carrier camps as querns said so it is weird that it took them this long. The War Dec thing was interesting to me, because it's something I've never seen us do before- even when staging out of the same station as Black Legion, us being all outlaws (quite literally all of us at the time) and them mostly having positive sec status, and maybe 1-2 outlaws. We have however had a shocking number of people do stupid things while camping the Saranen station, like... going afk with a criminal timer and active gun aggro and dying to guns. It's happened, more than once. Daco Vato posted:I feel like PL believes that they can... kill goons. Like they can do to us what they did to Brave. It's just not going to happen -- there is a grip of us who will just wait and I tend to think that group will still be there waiting when they get bored and start thinking about moving around. Their entire endgame can't be "let's camp a few hundred goons in station for a year." Seems silly. I'm willing to concede defeat in the war I guess, but if their objective is to kill us all off or make us all scatter to other corps the only people who are scattering, more and more, are proving to be the ones who just were around for the ticks and good times. I don't think anyone worth listening to thinks we're actually going to kill goons. We can remove you from nullsec. We can bleed your allies. We can camp your undock. We can feed you FAXs in USTZ. But we all fully expect GSF to still be a thing long after this war, I question however your ability to become the sov holding superpower you once were- but outright dead? Absolutely not. Carth Dookie posted:Or because if PL joined us they'd have significantly fewer supers/titans to shoot and historically they've never liked working with our calibre of "valued allies." Do you realize who we're calling a 'valued ally' right now? Seriously, FCON isn't the bottom of the barrel (much to everyone's shock and awe). CainFortea posted:There are more than a few people who will undock in saranenenene in an empty pod. Get popped. Undock again. They do this about every 20 seconds or so, given undock times and session change timers. And they'll do it for 20 or 30 minutes or so however long the bad dudes hang on the undock popping pods. When I say 'most' I'm speaking about what I have podded personally. Please realize there are 5-15 Loki's out there all competing for kills, so obviously there are plenty of empty pods- but there seem to be just as many pods with primary attribute +4s, a rare couple with +5s and a few dying with a hardwire worth 40-60m in varying frequency- I've seen High Grades twice, and Low Grades once. It's pretty obvious to see who the people who are repeatedly undocking in an empty pod are and after the first 1-2 times it's not worth warping off to kill them (stupid gate gun menace). Xolve fucked around with this message at 03:51 on May 23, 2016 |
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Xolve posted:But we all fully expect GSF to still be a thing long after this war, I question however your ability to become the sov holding superpower you once were- but outright dead? Absolutely not. ok
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SperginMcBadposter posted:Well that is what he self-identifies as: Wow, hard to believe that article is 7 years old at this point. quote:The bad news is that these are hard to exterminate without utterly ruining the reputation of whichever Dear Leader is inspiring their charges. And yeah, like I said this is what they've tried to do with Dear Leader, just latch onto each and every perceived flaw and drag him through the mud. It worked for us with Molle, and if Goonfleet is really just a personality cult then the plan will work, we'll all disband, and that'll be that. I don't think that's the case, and those of us on the inside can separate the Dear Leader persona from the actual person, and realize it's in large part a show for our enemies.
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Xolve posted:But we all fully expect GSF to still be a thing long after this war, I question however your ability to become the sov holding superpower you once were- but outright dead? Absolutely not. I don't think anyone really believes we're going to take AND hold all of our old space, the new mechanics would make it a nightmare of constant pings for defense ops and entosis ships. As someone who has personally gone through hundreds of units of Stront in the last couple of months, I can confidently say that everyone hates that mechanic and wants to avoid it as much as possible.
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War Eagle posted:I don't think anyone really believes we're going to take AND hold all of our old space, the new mechanics would make it a nightmare of constant pings for defense ops and entosis ships. As someone who has personally gone through hundreds of units of Stront in the last couple of months, I can confidently say that everyone hates that mechanic and wants to avoid it as much as possible. I've never activated an entosis link, but i'll take your word for it. I have, however defended people with active entosis links, and it reminds me of the worst parts of faction warfare.
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Looking at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't played in a loooong time until recently and is very ill-informed: When I was playing eight or so years ago The Mittani's public in-game persona was always about spin, generating hurf from BoB/et al., and ~the narrative~. As a line member all I remember seeing from him was propaganda posts and leaked enemy chatlogs on gf.com that were mostly entertainment. I can certainly see how he pissed off the entire EVE playerbase against him/goons. That was kind of his thing. Regardless of the intent, the TMC.com/H1Z1/kickstarter/what have you just fed into the cult story. Seems like at some point Mittani lost control of said narrative, or at least failed at disseminating his version of it. It's no wonder everyone came out of the woodwork to curbstomp the evil goon menace when the opportunity arose and is crowing their asses off about how quickly Deklein fell. That said, I can't help but  at the d-name folks who were on board as long as things were going well, jumped ship only after poo poo hit the fan, and started trolling as hard as they could.
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May 23, 2016 04:12
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Jazzzzz posted:That said, I can't help but I don't think any of the d-name people are ship jumpers, and are actually just really bad PL posters. Except
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May 23, 2016 04:13
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the devs changing the sov system specifically to undermine our coalition defense choices helped too
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yeah gently caress DCP
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Xolve posted:I don't think any of the d-name people are ship jumpers, and are actually just really bad PL posters. I'm thinking specifically of the dude with the Shirley Manson avatar who had the meltdown a couple pages back when deadtear trolled him about locator agents
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Part of it too is that citadels have eliminated two of the four classic benefits (alliance markets, better refining than NPC stations) that existed to hold space. i.e. red outposts are of questionable value given the absurd refines you can get with a 0.0 medium citadel that costs only 1.5b to drop. Unrelated: rip pooki
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Otacon posted:DCP
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Xolve posted:I don't think any of the d-name people are ship jumpers, and are actually just really bad PL posters. are you actually claiming despera the test guy who jumped instead of bridged and left because he was made fun of as one of yours  Jazzzzz posted:I'm thinking specifically of the dude with the Shirley Manson avatar who had the meltdown a couple pages back when deadtear trolled him about locator agents i had nothing to do with that, that was elsa ithink
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:are you actually claiming despera the test guy who jumped instead of bridged and left because he was made fun of as one of yours No, gently caress that guy. I just assumed he was in the 'shutup retard' category and not the 'd-name poster' category.
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Glory of Arioch posted:the devs changing the sov system specifically to undermine our coalition defense choices helped too Blaming our current situation on the Eve development team is dumb as gently caress but I suppose if we want to abrogate ourselves of all responsibility for the current situation, it's a way we can go yeah.
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:i had nothing to do with that, that was elsa ithink sorry, I thought it was you because he always takes whatever bait you lay out
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Rhymenoserous posted:Blaming our current situation on the Eve development team is dumb as gently caress but I suppose if we want to abrogate ourselves of all responsibility for the current situation, it's a way we can go yeah. who said they deserve all the blame i just think that the fozziesov design explicitly disallowing friendly alliances from assisting in your sov defense, coupled with fozzie's <24h turnaround kneejerk response to the "goonhammer" stuff to be pretty damning in their intent, is all
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Rhymenoserous posted:Blaming our current situation on the Eve development team is dumb as gently caress but I suppose if we want to abrogate ourselves of all responsibility for the current situation, it's a way we can go yeah. Well, they're obviously not completely at fault, but part of their stated goal with Aegis was to shake up null-sec and make the warfare more engaging and interactive. That was obviously aimed pretty squarely at the big sov holding alliances, of which we were the biggest. They have succeeded in shaking up null, that's for sure. The time to go :tinfoilhat: will be when they change it again to have sov rely more on Citadels, after having made the change to dislodge us. That will then cement the current sov holders since even Horde is littering their space with medium citadels.
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Glory of Arioch posted:the devs changing the sov system specifically to undermine our coalition defense choices helped too Saying that the whole sov system change was just to crap on the imperium is  it also hugely affected the massive rental empires and allowed smaller alliance to get a foot hold if they tried hard enough, having got into a few to safari a bit I can tell you that there a bunch of people that lived in HS before the changes now taking space because they now can.
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Sunber posted:Saying that the whole sov system change was just to crap on the imperium is naw, phoebe did the heavy lifting in regards to breaking up the massive rental empires, fozziesov came along way after that
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War Eagle posted:Well, they're obviously not completely at fault, but part of their stated goal with Aegis was to shake up null-sec and make the warfare more engaging and interactive. That was obviously aimed pretty squarely at the big sov holding alliances, of which we were the biggest. They have succeeded in shaking up null, that's for sure. Fine, let them rot in our old space. There's tons of space out there.
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Xolve posted:I don't think any of the d-name people are ship jumpers, and are actually just really bad PL posters. It's funny you should mention that... Honestly though I'm down for whatever. I'm having a ton of fun in the game right now trying to think up new stuff and tactics and make it work with our doctrines and my playstyle and time. I've got mad love and respect for PL -- especially now that they seem to have abandoned the "elite pvp" mentality -- and I hope that's true -- but goons are the heart and soul of why I log in and play and it's not as much the people individually but more the collective group and the fact that I support the leadership and their decisions. Do goons like me back? That's debatable for some, for most not so much. This doesn't matter though because as long as the core message remains the same then I'm on board until the group decides "we're just not going to do this anymore." Then I'm done with this game. I joke around about it but I don't really care if I ever get my carriers back again or not. And since I ditched the sperging I'm just going to do what I can as little ol' me to disrupt things for the enemy. Play the game. Eat some poo poo on comms. So basically nothing changes except I'm gonna get a super if for no other reason than... because I want to annoy MH with my questions.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Fine, let them rot in our old space. There's tons of space out there. Kimsemus posted:Well I guess Mittens was right all along. good job quoting reddit hours late
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:might as well join the ranks of other elite entities and run l5s for money Sorry I was watching Game of Thrones and hazing Snuff. 
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Glory of Arioch posted:naw, phoebe did the heavy lifting in regards to breaking up the massive rental empires, fozziesov came along way after that While pheobe helped, the hp walls of the old system being removed really hammered in that it was possible for smaller groups imo as a psychological thing, sure people like PFR (  ) managed it inbetween the 2 but who really wants to grind stations in mass destroyers?
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goninzo posted:Goonswarm still has sov. did you have to petition CCP to get that back too
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Daco Vato posted:It's funny you should mention that... The PL I remember from 2014 and previous was very much about winning fights above all else, and it's something they did so well- we often had to start fights with our alt alliances and dogpile in afterwards or do the 'honourable 3rd party' thing that just about everyone was pretty sick and tired of (except us of course). The community was a bit closer back then, but over all the idea was to get and win as many fights as possible- either generated by shooting structures, 3rd partying, or completely destroying community events (repping Marlona's Nyx, that charity brawl, Kings of Lowsec, etc.) and we'd just jump around dunking on whatever we could find until the fights dried up, then we'd go somewhere else. PL of the current year seems to be more about just getting fights, obviously we still plan on winning them- but occasionally calls are made where we're fighting 120 Caracals with 12 Astarte's and 5 Logistics with sprinkled tackle. After being back with the bros for a bit over a month now, hearing Mittens say "PL's identity is in their killboard" made me laugh so hard I drat near fell out of my chair. If that was the case, surely there would be a soundcloud of Grath raging over HABIT feeding a Titan to the Sholupen menace, or casper losing his Moracha (this is literally 50% of our isk lost this month) and surely if we were the old -A- 'killboards green types, we wouldn't share a killboard with Horde. I'd advise you to wait on getting a super, for a multitude of reasons, but simply because they're still selling at their old cost, and are actually cheaper to build- combined with a module market that hasn't in any shape or form stabilized yet. Supers are okay, not nearly as crucial as they were pre-citadel and the new hotness is either carriers, HAW dreadnaughts (with the right guns ofc) and titans.
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ullerrm posted:Part of it too is that citadels have eliminated two of the four classic benefits (alliance markets, better refining than NPC stations) that existed to hold space. i.e. red outposts are of questionable value given the absurd refines you can get with a 0.0 medium citadel that costs only 1.5b to drop. Yeah, rip. Funny enough it was the far rear end aeons that got us hosed as they got caught on the In gate. We WERE fighting aligned out and at range which is why I jumped in a shield hel alongside armor supers to begin with.
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Xolve posted:I'd advise you to wait on getting a super, for a multitude of reasons, but simply because they're still selling at their old cost, and are actually cheaper to build- combined with a module market that hasn't in any shape or form stabilized yet. Supers are okay, not nearly as crucial as they were pre-citadel and the new hotness is either carriers, HAW dreadnaughts (with the right guns ofc) and titans. Oh yeah I didn't mean right away that would be sort of silly. I'll wait until I can park it at the wailing wall of whereverthefuck.  Thanks for the advice for sure but I know I've still got plenty to keep me busy until then.EDIT: I always thought "supers" could mean either supercarrier or titan. I don't care about big carrier I want a titan. Still going to hold off of course. stale meme dot png fucked around with this message at 06:36 on May 23, 2016 |
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