oracle v. google thunderdome season 2: I think you're confused

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Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
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Necc0 posted:

CTO was fired btw

huh not every day something correct happesn

# ? May 20, 2016 13:22

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 21:58

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

well he "resigned" but all the managers are saying he was urged out.

# ? May 20, 2016 14:01

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; bone shaking.
soul baking.

so i've blown through a few bucks already on pacer because im bad at using it and holy poo poo there are a lot of documents on this case, but google yesterday threw a couple of shitfits and filed multiple motions of objection to block testimony from two of oracle's experts. google first claims that an apache exec cannot testify because it's all heresay. oracles response basically shits all over google because their objections don't actually fall under the scope of the rules they're claiming and he's in part rebutting testimony about apache from one of google's own witnesses. another big part of his testimony is about internal apache emails that say stuff like this:

quote:

�we are, in fact, infringing on the [Sun] copyright if we distribute something that has not passed the TCK and *we know that.* This makes us *already* doing illegal things (in fact, Android using Harmony code is illegal as well).� (Exhibit 1, TX 5046)

�the proposal...to release without a licensed TCK (and let Sun sue us) is a far greater breach of ASF principle...The idea of [Apache] condoning IP infringement would morally destroy the ASF long before a Sun court case actually put out of existence.�(Exhibit 2, TX 9200)

�what is Oracle[] going to do with 500 million java-powered cell phones? What is Oracle going to do about Android�s ripping off some of (now) their IP and getting away with it?� (Exhibit 3, TX 9201)

oracle has also submitted proposal summary judgement orders so the judge could just sign and wrap this up at any point.

# ? May 20, 2016 15:46

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

unghhhh. do it larry.

# ? May 20, 2016 15:52

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

Shaggar posted:

Java code:

public void getTouchable() throws Butt, Boner, Boob //the throwables here may or may not implement a shared api interface.

instead of

Java code:

public Touchable getTouchable() //no idea whats coming back, but it does implement Touchable interface.

is the idea that it saves you having to explicitly check types in the caller before you're able to use type-specific methods and fields? isn't catching an exception pretty slow? i feel like this is not something youd want to do all over the place.

# ? May 20, 2016 15:53

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

oh yeah its a terrible idea but you could do it, is all I'm saying.

# ? May 20, 2016 15:54

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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LeftistMuslimObama posted:

is the idea that it saves you having to explicitly check types in the caller before you're able to use type-specific methods and fields? isn't catching an exception pretty slow? i feel like this is not something youd want to do all over the place.

i'm almost certain shaggar is being facetious. this would be hideously slow

# ? May 20, 2016 16:13

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

static Bicth yos(OperatingSystem pos) throws Shaggared, Stymied<Color>
{
//...
return YosposFactory.defaultBicth()
}

# ? May 21, 2016 11:25

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

Snapchat A Titty posted:

static Bicth yos(OperatingSystem pos) throws Shaggared, Stymied<Color>
{
//...
return YosposFactory.basicBicth()
}

fixed that for you

# ? May 21, 2016 15:47

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

Necc0 posted:

fixed that for you

thx! pull request accepted

# ? May 22, 2016 20:49

Max Facetime: Apr 18, 2009

Condiv posted:

i'm almost certain shaggar is being facetious. this would be hideously slow

it's not actually any slower than returning normally once the runtime notices that there are more exceptions being thrown. so it's not any worse than using tail call optimization and recursion instead of a for-loop

# ? May 23, 2016 01:17

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
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Max Facetime posted:

it's not actually any slower than returning normally once the runtime notices that there are more exceptions being thrown. so it's not any worse than using tail call optimization and recursion instead of a for-loop

the jvm doesn't have tail-call optimization, like at all. :confused:

and i was under the impression that generating a stack trace was really expensive for the jvm

edit: this guy tested it with JMH, so everything was jitted properly, etc.

code:

Benchmark                                      Mode   Samples         Mean   Mean error    Units
t.ExceptionTests.createNewNoFillStackTrace    thrpt        10       12.328        0.061   ops/us
t.ExceptionTests.createNewNormalException     thrpt        10        0.236        0.005   ops/us
t.ExceptionTests.createNewStringHolder        thrpt        10       81.314        0.198   ops/us
t.ExceptionTests.throwCached                  thrpt        10      387.808        3.535   ops/us
t.ExceptionTests.throwNew                     thrpt        10        0.239        0.005   ops/us
t.ExceptionTests.throwNewNoFillStackTrace     thrpt        10       12.165        0.066   ops/us

as you can see here, creating and throwing a normal exception is 345x more expensive than wrapping your return result in an object. Even if you create an exception that does not fill in the stack trace, it will be 6.5x slower for no real benefit. the guy really doesn't test catching and using the exception (he catches but does nothing with it, which i think the JVM optimizes away). i'm kinda tempted to use jmh to test catching too since i hear it invokes yet more performance penalties

Condiv fucked around with this message at 03:15 on May 23, 2016

# ? May 23, 2016 02:41

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

ok so how are Sarah and Glenn greenwald even related and what's the beef? I don't follow Twitter drama

# ? May 23, 2016 04:46

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

Necc0 posted:

ok so how are Sarah and Glenn greenwald even related and what's the beef? I don't follow Twitter drama

if you think there's a link there you're following it way more closely than you're letting on

# ? May 23, 2016 05:00

sinekumquat: Jun 12, 2005; the most dangerous philosopher in the west; College Slice

Share Bear posted:

https://twitter.com/xor/status/731149780571693056

that happened btw

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/732218665148375041

# ? May 23, 2016 06:37

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003; no meds = f4

i got a whiteboard for you *nails white jesus to the cross*

# ? May 23, 2016 07:34

Dodoman: Feb 26, 2009; A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret; Lipstick Apathy

Verdafolio posted:

that happened btw

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/732218665148375041

man don't doxx my exam answers

# ? May 23, 2016 14:51

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

anthonypants posted:

if you think there's a link there you're following it way more closely than you're letting on

I saw her calling him out and didn't really find much more info in my two minutes of looking into it

# ? May 23, 2016 15:05

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

closing arguments are today!!

# ? May 23, 2016 15:13

vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

Necc0 posted:

I saw her calling him out and didn't really find much more info in my two minutes of looking into it

ughhh some think tank wonk called Matt Bruenig got a bit to edgy in a public twitter spat with some other democrat over welfare reform with poo poo like

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/733407195652587520

and

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/733407402297548800

then he got sacked because a) this is not how professionals talk to each other b) ~*harrassing language*~ c) he picked a fight with someone more important and powerful

So naturally he ran off and started a gofundme campaign (which glen greenwald also supported?) because he's a big baby that refuses to apologise for his FREE SPEECH

# ? May 23, 2016 15:22

power botton: Nov 2, 2011

THIS ISNT LF

# ? May 23, 2016 15:35

maniacdevnull: Apr 18, 2007; FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
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YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

Condiv posted:

hideously slow

java, so yes

# ? May 23, 2016 16:31

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

vodkat posted:

ughhh some think tank wonk called Matt Bruenig got a bit to edgy in a public twitter spat with some other democrat over welfare reform with poo poo like

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/733407195652587520

and

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/733407402297548800

then he got sacked because a) this is not how professionals talk to each other b) ~*harrassing language*~ c) he picked a fight with someone more important and powerful

So naturally he ran off and started a gofundme campaign (which glen greenwald also supported?) because he's a big baby that refuses to apologise for his FREE SPEECH

i think this is why i don't use twitter for anything but funny one-offs because i still have no clue what any of this means

anyways back to the funny computer lawsuit

# ? May 23, 2016 17:02

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

I've been seeing so much poo poo about that this week on twitter and I so don't care and idg why it's such a big deal like someone was a jerk on twitter and got fired for it but then I remembered how gossipy and cliquey political writers are and it made sense I just wish there was a single hashtag or something so I could just block all of it, it's been a crazy meltdown of subtweeting loving up my tl

# ? May 23, 2016 17:43

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

this thread is about oracle suing google for nine billion dollars folks

# ? May 23, 2016 17:47

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/734761656144666626
https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/734763255281811457
https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/734764116783595521
https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/734764639943335937
https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/734765585771307008
https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/734788234773827584

# ? May 23, 2016 17:51

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

mods rename this thread to 'fair use excuse' tia

# ? May 23, 2016 17:53

Baxate: Feb 1, 2011

use and copy don't mean the same thing :shrug:

# ? May 23, 2016 21:23

Enderzero: Jun 19, 2001; The snowflake button makes it
cold cold cold
Set temperature makes it
hold hold hold

vodkat posted:

ughhh some think tank wonk called Matt Bruenig got a bit to edgy in a public twitter spat with some other democrat over welfare reform with poo poo like

then he got sacked because a) this is not how professionals talk to each other b) ~*harrassing language*~ c) he picked a fight with someone more important and powerful

So naturally he ran off and started a gofundme campaign (which glen greenwald also supported?) because he's a big baby that refuses to apologise for his FREE SPEECH

yes, we know, neolibs and establishment players love to use civility as a weapon

# ? May 23, 2016 22:17

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Enderzero posted:

yes, we know, neolibs and establishment players love to use civility as a weapon

Stop loving posting about this itt

Instead post about the SavaJe phone or something

# ? May 23, 2016 22:58

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735172828232704000

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735173682729877504

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735173867971321858

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735174510228307969

# ? May 24, 2016 19:28

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

https://twitter.com/nilixblue/status/735174884477837312
https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735174965276745728

# ? May 24, 2016 19:28

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

https://twitter.com/jniccolai/status/735171393394876417
https://twitter.com/Swiftstories/status/735171535967821824
https://twitter.com/Swiftstories/status/735172741016477696

pseudorandom name fucked around with this message at 19:45 on May 24, 2016

# ? May 24, 2016 19:35

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735188387850637313

google needs to fire whatever startup is running their legal department

# ? May 24, 2016 20:20

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

so it was google that dumped the entire android source code on the jurors?

# ? May 24, 2016 21:33

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003; no meds = f4

hmm wat does #include mean?

# ? May 24, 2016 21:57

Baxate: Feb 1, 2011

pseudorandom name posted:

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735172828232704000

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735173682729877504

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735173867971321858

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/735174510228307969

what order do i read these in?

# ? May 24, 2016 22:07

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

Ludwig van Halen posted:

what order do i read these in?

linear time

Necc0 posted:

so it was google that dumped the entire android source code on the jurors?

I think both Android and Java SE are in evidence, I assume as a part of Oracle's case.

Alsup seemed pretty pissed about both Oracle and Google that they inflicted this PC on the jury, so it might be some kind of joint effort.

But the good news is that they managed to get *.java associated with notepad.exe on that PC.

# ? May 24, 2016 22:21

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

Smythe posted:

hmm wat does #include mean?

why are there so many tweeters in this code?

hash tag defif? i dont understand these kids memes

# ? May 24, 2016 22:26

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Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

Smythe posted:

hmm wat does #include mean?

# ? May 24, 2016 22:28

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