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Tesseraction posted:Have menthols ever been allowed to claim health benefits over standard? Pretty sure the advertising rules came into place before they were mainstream. I can't speak to the UK- my knowledge is of the US. It was a big problem here for a couple decades. Tobacco companies are very good at implying false harm reduction arguments through product advertising. If you want a laugh, check out the section of the menthol cigarettes wikipedia article about a planned ban on menthol cigarettes in the US. Nope, there's no funded edits here!
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Discendo Vox posted:I can't speak to the UK- my knowledge is of the US. And while I don't disagree with what you've said, this is the British Cartoons thread. Non-Brits are perfectly welcome but remember that while we share a language and worryingly-stupid electorate, British politics and American politics are definitely different beasts, especially on social issues.
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Discendo Vox posted:As part of an incrementalist attempt to stop nicotine use altogether, ending a more popular category of product would make sense. Renfield posted:It's apparently the least appealing colour they could find
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Guavanaut posted:What about UKIP's purple and yellow? That's unappealing even without the association with UKIP. Just put Eastern European flags* on them to put people off. *with a large font explanation of which flag it is
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Tesseraction posted:And while I don't disagree with what you've said, this is the British Cartoons thread. Non-Brits are perfectly welcome but remember that while we share a language and worryingly-stupid electorate, British politics and American politics are definitely different beasts, especially on social issues. Yes- that said based on a quick search of coverage of when the rules were first, passed, tobacco companies were trying to make the same set of claims on labeling. Guavanaut posted:Is that actually their end goal? I thought the general consensus was that harm reduction and attacking the most dangerous ways of consuming a drug rather than the drug itself was the way forward now, and that eradication and a 'drug free world' are pipe dreams. Generally, if you're in public health, yes, that is the end goal on tobacco. The thing that has shifted is that the focus is now on preventing new adopters of the drug rather than attempting get current users to stop. In particular, European rule changes have generally been framed as part of a goal to produce a "tobacco free" new generation.
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Tesseraction posted:And while I don't disagree with what you've said, this is the British Cartoons thread. Non-Brits are perfectly welcome but remember that while we share a language and worryingly-stupid electorate, British politics and American politics are definitely different beasts, especially on social issues. Your fault for founding the colony of Virginia in 1607. Revenge is a dish best served cold... directly into the lungs. some cartoons since it's a new page and there's too much text for a cartoon forum:   nobodyssweetheart fucked around with this message at 00:00 on May 22, 2016 |
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Tesseraction posted:And while I don't disagree with what you've said, this is the British Cartoons thread. Non-Brits are perfectly welcome but remember that while we share a language and worryingly-stupid electorate, British politics and American politics are definitely different beasts, especially on social issues. Yeah except in this case the stuff the person was talking about did happen in Britain too (and everywhere else.) Tobacco is an area where the "social issue" goals are the same for both sides, one is just further along than the other. As to the person above, yeah American companies were backing lawsuits to stop this rollout, but it wasn't just them, that one really big Japanese tobacco company was involved too and in this globalized world we live in its hard to call any of those MNCs truly "national" in the sense that they have stuff all over the world.
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Guavanaut posted:Surely by this point it's 'after about two dozen other newspaper cartoons that thought they were being clever.' I'm convinced. "Tory Party" rear end tattoos all around.
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Cloud Potato posted:Sunday Telegraph: Hahahahahaha it cracks me up the BoB thinks Boris is some kind of statesman figure Kin ell
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nobodyssweetheart posted:I would imagine, based on no evidence, that there's a fair amount of US money funding the lobbying efforts against since the UK doesn't grow tobacco and most cigarette companies are based in the US (or part of a US-PanEuropean congloms). Both British American Tobacco and Imperial Tobacco (two of the top five international tobacco companies) are headquartered in the UK and are part of the FTSE 100. We've had our fair share of politicians with close connections to tobacco companies over here who have supposedly worked behind the scenes lobbying for them, former chancellor Ken Clarke probably being the most prominent.
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Cloud Potato posted:Observer: In what way is the Tory party the son of Europe? Guavanaut posted:Surely by this point it's 'after about two dozen other newspaper cartoons that thought they were being clever.' Though it's hack as gently caress nobody thinks they're being clever by mimicking Goya, the guy's not obscure.
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Mr. Squishy posted:Though it's hack as gently caress nobody thinks they're being clever by mimicking Goya, the guy's not obscure.
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Guardian: "Martin Rowson on Vote Leave's Turkey-EU comments – Vote Leave has been accused of ‘stoking the fires of prejudice’ after it claimed that Turkey’s assumed accession to the EU would put Britain in danger as a result of a high level of criminality among Turkish citizens" Bonus, Rowson illustrating Kevin Maguire's column in the Mirror:  Telegraph:  Independent:  Times: 
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Cloud Potato posted:Bonus, Rowson illustrating Kevin Maguire's column in the Mirror: gove still adorable though, nude or puking
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nobodyssweetheart posted:Ugh. Why is Osborne only yellow from the neck up? I can't tell if that's worse than being jaundiced all the way down, but it means it's either make up or a tan-line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S8poOaSlGc
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Giddy the Clown. Looking at the two Rowsons together, maybe nude Osborne is wearing a mask of his own face! Or that is a pretender disguised, slipping into their foursome sulk-play... but who? The plot thickens.
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Guardian: "Steve Bell on George Osborne and his warnings over Brexit – George Osborne is warning that Britain would face a year-long “DIY recession” following a vote to leave the European Union, as he raises the stakes in the referendum battle on Monday with one month until polling day" Telegraph:  Chelsea Flower Show. Independent:  Times:  Mail:  'Andrew. Your father and I would like a word!' Prince Andrew facing more questions about Kazakhstan links Guardian Sport: 
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May 24, 2016 21:01
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Who's the other international manager there?
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Dabir posted:Who's the other international manager there? Del Bosque of Spain
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It's a shame Squires doesn't work with animations since Pardew's silly dance is so delightful.
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Re: those garden cartoons, possibly of interest https://twitter.com/joshspero/status/735197363778785284
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Guardian: "Steve Bell on the Tory infighting over the EU referendum – Prime minister says party can join together again despite anger from his Conservative opponents in EU referendum campaign" Telegraph:  People to be asked about 'gender identity' in census Independent:  Fracking decision in North Yorkshire reignites intense debate Times:  Obituary: Burt Kwouk Mail: Mac on... Brexit 
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May 25, 2016 21:10
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gently caress off, Adams.
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May 25, 2016 21:15
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I identify as thane. Very convenient because it's the third option.
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I meant to post my favorite old IF... when Heseltine was bitching about Boris/Brexit/reminding people he was still alive last week.
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Dabir posted:gently caress off, Adams. He really is under-rated in the "shittest BritPolToon cartoonist". Mac obviously attracts most of the attention because he does it for the Mail & is an old timey racist, but Adams really is as horrible. I also hate BoB but he's not as reprehensible, just lovely.
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forkboy84 posted:He really is under-rated in the "shittest BritPolToon cartoonist". Mac obviously attracts most of the attention because he does it for the Mail & is an old timey racist, but Adams really is as horrible. I also hate BoB but he's not as reprehensible, just lovely. At least Mac can draw pretty well. I think Adams is by far the worst artist posted itt.
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I like that Adams had to obscure all the options because he doesn't actually know anything about gender identity and couldn't be bothered to let a little fact-finding get in the way of an easy idea he could knock out before lunch.
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forkboy84 posted:He really is under-rated in the "shittest BritPolToon cartoonist". Mac obviously attracts most of the attention because he does it for the Mail & is an old timey racist, but Adams really is as horrible. I also hate BoB but he's not as reprehensible, just lovely. The Telegraph really is at the forefront of pushing the lovely American style stuff you can see in the other thread
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J_RBG posted:The Telegraph really is at the forefront of pushing the lovely American style stuff you can see in the other thread I tend to conflate Bob and Adams craptastic work together, and yeah, their art
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I like that Adams had to obscure all the options because he doesn't actually know anything about gender identity and couldn't be bothered to let a little fact-finding get in the way of an easy idea he could knock out before lunch. You mean bi9h and vofity aren't real genders?
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Paladinus posted:You mean bi9h and vofity aren't real genders? It takes away from the reality that he's a spiteful poo poo who thinks it's all made up. Which under some readings of gender theory it is, in a manner of speaking. Still, gently caress him.
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Pesky Splinter posted:I tend to conflate Bob and Adams craptastic work together, and yeah, their art I can only tell bob and adams apart from looking at their signatures they are dire both content wise and technically as cartoonists.
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Guardian: "Steve Bell on Lord Sugar's new government role – Lord Sugar, the Apprentice star who has been hired as the government’s new enterprise tsar, had previously been fiercely critical of George Osborne, it has emerged" Telegraph:  Winnie-the-Pooh story celebrates Queen's 90th; After EH Shepard. Independent:  George Osborne and Angela Eagle at PMQs Times:  Union revolt puts both Hollande's future and France's image on the line Mail: Mac on... Cameron dodging debates  Guardian Australian Sport: David Squires on ... Nicky Winmar and Indigenous players in the AFL 
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I really want to know what that last panel in the Squires is referencing.
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Eddie McGuire said they should use him to promote a production of King Kong, apparently.
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Cheers for that. Squires continues to deliver, "He's racisming against white people!" is pure gold.
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I'm kind of enjoying the making GBS threads on Bob talk. I went to uni with him and I'm surprised to see he got picked up by the telegraph. I remember his political cartoons being as rabidly offensive as he could manage. Much like most of his personality.
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