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I just read the first issue of the new Nighthawk and oh boooooooooooooooooooooooy is that series a loving mess. You know how TNC's BP is a really studied and interesting take on black perspective re: superheroism? The new Nighthawk is like, the exact opposite of that. It's really just...oh boy. An ugly and angry and gross mess of a book where everyone's some flavor of a worthless rear end in a top hat.
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I'm not really 'in the know' when it comes to comics, but I find it kind of hard to believe that a massive international private entity run by amoral globalist psychopaths would have some sort of vested interest in taking a decades-old hero who, ultimately, represents the courage of the United States and its people, and turn him into a villainous nazi.
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May 25, 2016 22:11
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Lumpy the Cook posted:I'm not really 'in the know' when it comes to comics, but I find it kind of hard to believe that a massive international private entity run by amoral globalist psychopaths would have some sort of vested interest in taking a decades-old hero who, ultimately, represents the courage of the United States and its people, and turn him into a villainous nazi. People also tend to conflate "Company X makes some decisions I really don't like" with "Company X is run by literally drooling morons who have no idea what they are doing"
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May 25, 2016 22:13
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Toxxupation posted:I just read the first issue of the new Nighthawk and oh boooooooooooooooooooooooy is that series a loving mess. You know how TNC's BP is a really studied and interesting take on black perspective re: superheroism? The new Nighthawk is like, the exact opposite of that. It's really just...oh boy. An ugly and angry and gross mess of a book where everyone's some flavor of a worthless rear end in a top hat. That's what that character has always been. And David Walker is a good enough writer that I think he'll do something really good with it.
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May 25, 2016 22:14
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Lumpy the Cook posted:I'm not really 'in the know' when it comes to comics, but I find it kind of hard to believe that a massive international private entity run by amoral globalist psychopaths would have some sort of vested interest in taking a decades-old hero who, ultimately, represents the courage of the United States and its people, and turn him into a villainous nazi. Well it almost sounds silly when you put it like that. Almost.
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May 25, 2016 22:14
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The people at Marvel who've spent the last several years gritting their teeth and painfully forcing themselves to produce media which could possibly paint America in a positive light are probably pretty happy though so that's good at least.
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May 25, 2016 22:16
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Lumpy the Cook posted:The people at Marvel who've spent the last several years gritting their teeth and painfully forcing themselves to produce media which could possibly paint America in a positive light are probably pretty happy though so that's good at least. That reminds me of the first letters column in We Stand On Guard, a comic about the US invading Canada a hundred years in the future. A guy wrote in to say he loved Vaughn's work but wouldn't be able to read this one because the idea of the US invading a neighbor for imperialistic or aggressive reasons was "too liberal" a concept for him to stomach.
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May 25, 2016 22:19
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Someone remind me, when does the first run of The Heroic Adventures of Sir ISIS go out?
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May 25, 2016 22:24
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Lumpy the Cook posted:Someone remind me, when does the first run of The Heroic Adventures of Sir ISIS go out? I'll just wait for the first arc, The War On Christmas, to come out in trade.
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May 25, 2016 22:25
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Twitter is blowing up about it.
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May 25, 2016 22:26
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team overhead smash posted:To make it even better, when they hear in a few months time that Captain America isn't a Nazi, they'll think their outrage made the writers change their mind rather than that being the plan all along. They sure showed those liberal elitist types over at Marvel! Tumblr is already all over this.
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May 25, 2016 22:34
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drat. I've always had precisely zero interest in reading Captain America, but I may have to pick this one up (or at least this issue) just to see how it plays out. Just as planned.
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May 25, 2016 22:34
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I think it's a dumb idea to tamper with Cap like this and I wish outrage culture wasn't buying into this so completely but I also wish that these creative types would stop throwing bait out for outrage culture to latch on to.
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May 25, 2016 22:36
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I really don't think this is an attempt to "bait outrage culture" so much as it is supposed to be a shocking mystery kicking off a story arc.
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May 25, 2016 22:38
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 Way to bait outrage culture by revealing Hank Pym's always been a Skrull, Marvel.
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May 25, 2016 22:46
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Now see I can see someone who takes their comics way too seriously being a bit pissed about the twist at the of DC Rebirth and understand that. That's a huge gamble and game-changing thing for DC Comics. But this twist is here obviously just part of a storyline that will probably be wrapped up by this time next year.
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May 25, 2016 22:47
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Lurdiak posted:I really don't think this is an attempt to "bait outrage culture" so much as it is supposed to be a shocking mystery kicking off a story arc. Yeah but I do think that the furor being generated by this was entirely predictable and should have been avoided. The internet is unpleasant enough without adding this crap to it. What a headache.
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May 25, 2016 22:47
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HIJK posted:I think it's a dumb idea to tamper with Cap like this and I wish outrage culture wasn't buying into this so completely but I also wish that these creative types would stop throwing bait out for outrage culture to latch on to. You ask for the impossible. It doesn't matter what story they tell some idiots are going to find a way to be upset by it. The subject matter doesn't matter. They just need to get mad about something to distract them from their sadbrains.
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May 25, 2016 22:47
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HIJK posted:Yeah but I do think that the furor being generated by this was entirely predictable and should have been avoided. The internet is unpleasant enough without adding this crap to it. What a headache. Yes they should think about the internet first and abandon any stories that crazies online might not take two seconds to have a rational thought about. That would be the best idea.
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May 25, 2016 22:49
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X-O posted:Yes they should think about the internet first and abandon any stories that crazies online might not take two seconds to have a rational thought about. That would be the best idea. You put it into words, thank you
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May 25, 2016 22:51
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HIJK posted:You put it into words, thank you Putting stupid ideas into words is something I have shown a knack for in the past.
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May 25, 2016 22:55
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I thought I didn't care about this whole thing but I just saw the loving nazi steve stuff being tweeted by NBC News, this is ridiculous. Glad I just don't like Spencer's comics in general. At least it made this happen as well https://twitter.com/tlarn/status/735528534698000384
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May 25, 2016 23:03
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JoshTheStampede posted:The internet at large is buying it and is super pissed, or at least the level of comics fans who don't read comics but still decide to get mad at everything they hear are. I've seen a lot of FB/Twitter complaining about it being lazy writing and a slap in the face to long time fans. I'm not reading either Cap book, but was Steve's de-aging implied to be separate from the rest of the Avengers getting their powers/gear back? Because in Avengers it looked like Deadpool talked to Kobik for like a minute, and she fixed everyone, so I'm not sure when Skull or Zemo or Sin or whoever would've been able to get to her? Toxxupation posted:I just read the first issue of the new Nighthawk and oh boooooooooooooooooooooooy is that series a loving mess. You know how TNC's BP is a really studied and interesting take on black perspective re: superheroism? The new Nighthawk is like, the exact opposite of that. It's really just...oh boy. An ugly and angry and gross mess of a book where everyone's some flavor of a worthless rear end in a top hat. You'd hate Walker's Power Man or Shaft, then.
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May 25, 2016 23:04
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I thought I didn't care about this whole thing but I just saw the loving nazi steve stuff being tweeted by NBC News, this is ridiculous. Glad I just don't like Spencer's comics in general. Personally, this is my favorite one.  Also Steve really looks like an rear end in a top hat without the wings.
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May 25, 2016 23:08
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Gaz-L posted:I'm not reading either Cap book, but was Steve's de-aging implied to be separate from the rest of the Avengers getting their powers/gear back? Because in Avengers it looked like Deadpool talked to Kobik for like a minute, and she fixed everyone, so I'm not sure when Skull or Zemo or Sin or whoever would've been able to get to her? Yes. Kobik and Steve were alone when she fixed him. And when it did it flashed through his entire history.
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Gaz-L posted:I'm not reading either Cap book, but was Steve's de-aging implied to be separate from the rest of the Avengers getting their powers/gear back? Because in Avengers it looked like Deadpool talked to Kobik for like a minute, and she fixed everyone, so I'm not sure when Skull or Zemo or Sin or whoever would've been able to get to her? Yeah, Kobik explicitly singles Steve out in Assault Omega if I remember correctly. quote:You'd hate Walker's Power Man or Shaft, then. I haven't read either but man I really didn't like Nighthawk at all. If you and X-O say Walker's a good writer I'll just write it off as Not For Me but just, man. HIJK posted:Yeah but I do think that the furor being generated by this was entirely predictable and should have been avoided. The internet is unpleasant enough without adding this crap to it. What a headache. I have to say I'm not crazy about the Steve Rogers reveal on its face (although yeah it's almost certainly a Kobik retcon of his life, and I have faith in Spencer to pull it out) but, man, creators should feel free to fail and certainly shouldn't write stories in fear of how people who don't read comics will react. This line of thinking is really toxic to the state of the industry at large.
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May 25, 2016 23:13
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If we only had comic stories that didn't offend someone on the internet we'd have no comic stories.
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May 25, 2016 23:27
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There is no amount of faith I could have in a writer to believe a twist this dumb and played out will be good especially after the boiler plate "totes really him no mind control guyz" quotes. I might be proven wrong when it's over but I'll be waiting until it hits unlimited and getting a butt load of positive praise. I mean I wasn't gonna pick it up anyway cause I don't care about Captain America outside of group books but hey I'm talking about it and they probably count that as a win. SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 23:29 on May 25, 2016 |
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May 25, 2016 23:27
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Nick Spencer is a horrible writer and I fully expect this to be a horrible story, but that doesn't excuse the internet's reaction to it.
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May 25, 2016 23:28
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Gaz-L posted:I'm not reading either Cap book, but was Steve's de-aging implied to be separate from the rest of the Avengers getting their powers/gear back? Because in Avengers it looked like Deadpool talked to Kobik for like a minute, and she fixed everyone, so I'm not sure when Skull or Zemo or Sin or whoever would've been able to get to her? The Skull still has Professor Xavier's telepathy kitbashed into his head, and he was standing right outside the bowling alley while Steve fought Crossbones. He wouldn't have needed to be anywhere near Kobik to influence her, or for that matter, anywhere near Steve.
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May 25, 2016 23:31
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I want them to go full Silver Age with this, every comic cover from now on should have a bystander going, "Captain America! Why are you stealing the Liberty Bell?" and "Has Cap really turned Nazi? NOT A DREAM, NOT MIND-CONTROL!" I am hype for this all-new, all-Nazi Captain America.
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May 25, 2016 23:32
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I'm still  ing at the number of people I see freaking out about Marvel ruining Captain America with a retcon this big out of nowhere. Marvel is ruining all the white male characters because they hate them!NICK SPENCER: "Hello Marvel, I, notorious white man Nick Spencer, have a plan for Captain Amerikkka! I will reveal that he was always a Nazi ever since day one. I will do this, because as a skeleton I hate the white man and wish to see him disappear from Marvel Comics. This change is irreversible, as I will sign a blood pact with gay satan to do it" MARVEL: "HOLY poo poo SOLD I'LL JUST ASSUME THIS FITS 60+ YEARS OF CONTINUITY! KILL WHITEY!"
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Toxxupation posted:I have to say I'm not crazy about the Steve Rogers reveal on its face (although yeah it's almost certainly a Kobik retcon of his life, and I have faith in Spencer to pull it out) but, man, creators should feel free to fail and certainly shouldn't write stories in fear of how people who don't read comics will react. This line of thinking is really toxic to the state of the industry at large. I actually just got back from the comic book shop and picking up the #1 just so I can see what happens. I fully believe in the freedom of creativity, I'm just really tired of this cycle of [thing happens] [Internet pretends to be outraged] [I have several hundred new people to block online.] [repeat ad infinitum] I guess I wish there was a way around the internet and that people could make the things they want without thousands of people yelling at them. Oh well, Marvel will publish it anyway so no one is losing.
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May 26, 2016 00:18
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It's not really a story I'm interested in, but in its own way isn't really too different from how Steve Rogers has been written the past several years anyways.
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May 26, 2016 00:27
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Now they should make Cap and Bucky gay. Break the nerdnet.
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May 26, 2016 00:30
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Lurdiak posted:Personally, this is my favorite one. Because he looks almost exactly like Ultimate Captain America.
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May 26, 2016 00:39
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That whole twist reeks of a kind of edgelord nonsense that's been plaguing comics since comics writers decided to take the wrong lessons from Watchmen back in the 80s. Sick Grim and Gritty idea: Take the Jewish anti-Nazi Propaganda Golem representing the progressive ideal of America and make him a secret fascist!
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May 26, 2016 01:10
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Necroskowitz posted:That whole twist reeks of a kind of edgelord nonsense that's been plaguing comics since comics writers decided to take the wrong lessons from Watchmen back in the 80s. Interesting take, might I interest you in a full refundable copy of DC Rebirth #1 that you might enjoy?
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May 26, 2016 01:12
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So Cap was evil all along, huh? Chalk up another win for the Cyclops Was Right camp.
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HIJK posted:Yeah but I do think that the furor being generated by this was entirely predictable and should have been avoided. The internet is unpleasant enough without adding this crap to it. What a headache. No. This is dangerous thinking. Please read what you posted and think about it for a bit.
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