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Why would they even keep the catch rate at capture for every Pokemon in a party or box?  I mean, of course, we just saw that it turned out to be useful, but I doubt they predicted a sequel, and that's a byte per possible Pokemon you can have, which is probably a lot in GB terms. I thought catch rate was only kept as a constant per species.
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Cerony posted:I had a lot of trouble trying to defeat Morty during my very first playthrough because I kept brute forcing him with Bayleef. Odd, I never had any trouble with him. Geodude/Graveler with magnitude can sort out everything in the gym if you don't get unlucky.
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May 25, 2016 13:12
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I remember trading the Jynx you get for the ingame trade in Red over to gold and it was holding a focus band, both my cartridges are long dead so this is just from memory so i could be wrong about that.
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May 25, 2016 13:31
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I never did understand why they made two whole gyms for types that, at the time, consisted of one evolution line and a single new Pokemon. You'd have thought they at least replace one with Dark since there were more of them. I still don't know why Dark has yet to get a gym.
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May 25, 2016 14:06
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Geostomp posted:I never did understand why they made two whole gyms for types that, at the time, consisted of one evolution line and a single new Pokemon. You'd have thought they at least replace one with Dark since there were more of them. I still don't know why Dark has yet to get a gym.
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May 25, 2016 14:10
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Morty is always either a cakewalk or pretty loving difficult for what you have at the time. At least for me. There's no middle ground.
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May 25, 2016 14:15
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KennyMan666 posted:A theory is that it's because Dark type is literally called "evil type" (あくタイプ, aku taipu) in Japanese, and they don't want to make a gym that's straight up refered to as the "evil gym". Which always seemed silly. I'm sure they could have fun with it. Either lean into it and have them be populated so with the evil team like Giovanni or have it full of punks who are nice and bummed over the bad rap
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May 25, 2016 14:19
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Alternatively, go the middle route and have it full of try-hard people pretending to be Muahahahaha evil. There was at least one Hex Maniac like that in Gen 6.
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May 25, 2016 14:25
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rannum posted:Which always seemed silly. I'm sure they could have fun with it. Either lean into it and have them be populated so with the evil team like Giovanni or have it full of punks who are nice and bummed over the bad rap There are tons of non-villainous themes they could try for Dark type gyms. The most obvious are rockers, good hearted thugs, or goths. Given a certain starter's popularity and marketing, why not go for ninjas again? That or go superhero-themed with a copyright-friendly Batman analogue. There isn't any obvious reason why Dark doesn't have a gym yet. Especially since we've had three Dark Elite Four members.
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May 25, 2016 14:26
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There's one really hilarious way to cheese the entire Ghost gym, which is what I always did: Backtrack to Goldenrod City and get the Eevee from Bill, then level it up until it learns Bite. Since Eevee is Normal-type, pretty much nothing in the gym can really hurt it, and Bite tears through everything in there.
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May 25, 2016 20:14
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Holy crap. I never really had the opportunity to trade, and I thought the hold items added in trades were based on the pokemon's type. I had no clue it used something as arbitrary as catch rate (and differences between RB and Y).
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May 25, 2016 20:22
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Geostomp posted:There are tons of non-villainous themes they could try for Dark type gyms. The most obvious are rockers, good hearted thugs, or goths. Given a certain starter's popularity and marketing, why not go for ninjas again? That or go superhero-themed with a copyright-friendly Batman analogue. There isn't any obvious reason why Dark doesn't have a gym yet. Especially since we've had three Dark Elite Four members. A Jotaro clone is the gym leader. Anyway, gently caress Morty, I could never beat him as a kid. And this is after I grinned up to Typlosion for the silver fight. I was not good at this game past using brute force and fire.
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May 25, 2016 20:39
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I always thought the Team <Blank>s were supposed to be kind of a dark gym. I mean, you fight trainers with the types, then eventually fight the big boss.
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May 25, 2016 23:05
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:I always thought the Team <Blank>s were supposed to be kind of a dark gym. I mean, you fight trainers with the types, then eventually fight the big boss. Yeah but they always use the lovely Dark types.
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May 26, 2016 00:59
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I remembered that Morty's name is Morty and almost instinctually did a Rick impersonation.
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May 26, 2016 01:00
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Kikas posted:Yeah but they always use the lovely Dark types. There are so many cool and good Dark types, it's a shame they don't get used more in the games. Almost every final evolution of a Dark type has at least one stat over 100, though I guess they can be pretty frail and don't always have great movepools.
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May 26, 2016 01:11
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Kikas posted:Yeah but they always use the lovely Dark types. I will hear no more of this slander against sandile and it's  evolutions
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May 26, 2016 01:16
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A Gym Leader with an Umbreon as their main pokemon would be the most frustrating fight ever
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May 26, 2016 01:18
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The only way we could've gotten a Dark leader in this gen would for it to be the last gym with a team of Murkrow, Umbreon, Houndoom and Tyranitar. It at least has more variety than Clair's Dragonair x3 with a Kingdra and Lance's Dragonite x3 with three other Dragon lookalikes. It's also quite telling that Umbreon is the only Dark type you can obtain before the postgame and that Karen doesn't even use Tyranitar, instead opting for Vileplume and Gengar, which thematically fits, but come on. They even made a Steel Gym just fine and only used two of the six Steel types.
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May 26, 2016 01:30
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Hell, a Dark gym leader could just go Houndour/Umbreon/Houndoom. Or Houndour/Murkrow/Houndoom.
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May 26, 2016 01:34
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:A Gym Leader with an Umbreon as their main pokemon would be the most frustrating fight ever Technically there's Greta.
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May 26, 2016 01:35
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SilverGryphon posted:There's one really hilarious way to cheese the entire Ghost gym, which is what I always did: Backtrack to Goldenrod City and get the Eevee from Bill, then level it up until it learns Bite. Since Eevee is Normal-type, pretty much nothing in the gym can really hurt it, and Bite tears through everything in there. Bonus Gen IV strategy: Catch a Scrappy Miltank on Route 38, Stomp your way to victory, and become what you've always hated. 
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May 26, 2016 02:58
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:A Gym Leader with an Umbreon as their main pokemon would be the most frustrating fight ever too bad you only play as Wes
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May 26, 2016 03:09
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Some Numbers posted:Hell, a Dark gym leader could just go Houndour/Umbreon/Houndoom. I'd say my wishlist for a Dark Gym, should be the 8th gym. Umbreon, Weavile, Crawdaunt.
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May 26, 2016 15:43
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Wigglytuff can be encounter legitimately if you look in in Cerulean Cave in Red and Blue; it can't be encountered wild in yellow.
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May 26, 2016 15:59
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Silegna posted:I'd say my wishlist for a Dark Gym, should be the 8th gym. Umbreon, Weavile, Crawdaunt. Obviously in later generations it gets way easier; I was thinking about what a Gen 2 dark gym would have been.
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May 26, 2016 17:51
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Some Numbers posted:Obviously in later generations it gets way easier; I was thinking about what a Gen 2 dark gym would have been. Ah, yeah, that'd work.
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May 26, 2016 19:44
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You guys aren't thinking in the proper Gen II encounter design mindset. It would just be the Gym Leader and all they'd have is an Umbreon.
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May 26, 2016 19:53
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Silegna posted:I'd say my wishlist for a Dark Gym, should be the 8th gym. Umbreon, Weavile, Crawdaunt. I want to toss in some Pangoro and the obligatory Mega-Absol. Possibly a Honchcrow.
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May 26, 2016 20:15
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Dr Pepper posted:You guys aren't thinking in the proper Gen II encounter design mindset. The umbreon is level 60, the highest level random encounter available is level 30.
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May 26, 2016 20:21
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FoolyCharged posted:The umbreon is level 60, the highest level random encounter available is level 30. Don't remind me of the level curve of Yellow and Gen 2, thank you. What were they THINKING when they made the Kanto Routes HAVE THE SAME LEVELS OF GEN 1!
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May 26, 2016 20:23
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Silegna posted:Don't remind me of the level curve of Yellow and Gen 2, thank you. They were going for that true sequel feel and wanted world consistency. That's why we're not getting another dual-region game. They smartened up a bit.
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May 26, 2016 21:38
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Kikas posted:They were going for that true sequel feel and wanted world consistency. They dropped that idea in BW2 though, in which the early-game routes in Black and White are postgame in BW2. They have levels appropriate to postgame areas.
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May 26, 2016 21:41
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Kikas posted:They were going for that true sequel feel and wanted world consistency. I guess. Going back to the Gen 1 world after the end of 2 is my favorite moment in all of Pokemon. Revisiting the old towns, seeing what changed, what hasn't, etc. That guy in that port town finally finished his house  Of course, I haven't done it since I was a pre-teen, so the magic might have worn off by now.
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May 27, 2016 00:51
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Crosspiece, you said a few times in the side notes that Wigglytuff can't be caught, but in Red and Blue you can actually catch Wigglytuff in Cerulean Cave. And you can buy it as a prize at the game corner in Yellow.
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May 27, 2016 02:29
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Gear Router posted:Wigglytuff can be encounter legitimately if you look in in Cerulean Cave in Red and Blue; it can't be encountered wild in yellow. MissileWaster posted:Crosspiece, you said a few times in the side notes that Wigglytuff can't be caught, but in Red and Blue you can actually catch Wigglytuff in Cerulean Cave. And you can buy it as a prize at the game corner in Yellow. Thank you both for the correction.
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This may be way too nerdy to mention, but I've been working on and off again on a region for a Pokemon story I'm working on with a friend. Which probably isn't going to go anywhere, BUT the key reason I bring this up, is because one of the Gym Leaders in the region is a Dark-type leader. She's an astrologian who actually grew up to be raised as a Psychic, as she did have ESP potential as a child, and the town she was raised in was known for the supernatural. The reason why she switched over is because a wounded Absol came to the village, and she tended to its wounds, and decided to raise that as her signature Pokemon, rather than the Abra that her and her classmates were borrowing from the school (To get used to Pokemon). The problem with this? Well she was a bit too young to go and just pick her own starter willy-nilly, much less a Dark-type. But after reading about what Absol even is, she decided to have her own philosophy, how even in the worst moments, you can always count on having one person to stick by you. So for this lady, her trusted partner was the Absol she tended to, and she decided Dark-types symbolized her to a T, compared to sticking around a village who seemed hesitant about a so-called harbinger like a yin-yang beast.
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Crosspeice posted:And that's [strike]quarter[/strike]half of the badges obtained. But man, I feel a bit bad for taking down Morty so easily. [s], not strike.
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LightningKimba posted:This may be way too nerdy to mention, but I've been working on and off again on a region for a Pokemon story I'm working on with a friend. Which probably isn't going to go anywhere, BUT the key reason I bring this up, is because one of the Gym Leaders in the region is a Dark-type leader. Did her village get destroyed in some kind of disaster?
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Some Numbers posted:Did her village get destroyed in some kind of disaster? Well the idea I had in mind was that the Absol was running away from one of the rampaging legendaries of the region, BUT, considering the village's connection to myths... Seeing a harbinger at all is a Huge Deal. I really should work on it more sometime, work makes it difficult to work on hobbies! 
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