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Angry Grimace posted:The problem with No Reserved Legacy is that it completely renders Legacy itself redundant because its practically the same format with marginally worse lands and a few degenerate decks or sideboard strategies no longer legal and a far larger number of people actually playing it (sure I guess the cost of a particular deck could somehow increase more than $1000, but I find that unlikely in reality). ANT, doomsday and belcher cease to exist
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dragon enthusiast posted:Some would argue this is a plus I guess I wasn't clear in that I was arguing this was a plus; Legacy as a format has some interesting stuff going on but you can't really play that much due to lands being crazy expensive. born on a buy you posted:ANT, doomsday and belcher cease to exist Sure, they'd get replaced by something else though. The problem is that you have a lot of cards that don't really see play because nobody wants to spend 1200 to make their decks lands good.
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Angry Grimace posted:The problem with No Reserved Legacy is that it completely renders Legacy itself redundant because its practically the same format with marginally worse lands and a few degenerate decks or sideboard strategies no longer legal and a far larger number of people actually playing it (sure I guess the cost of a particular deck could somehow increase more than $1000, but I find that unlikely in reality). Losing dual lands is a pretty big deal for some decks. Any deck running Daze gets a hell of a lot worse for example. And Ad Nauseum cares quite a bit about its life total.
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I wish they'd just go and print Snow Duals or something already. 
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legacy burn in a format w/o duals is an absurdly powerful deck
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Removing true duals isn't really just that hand wavy. It changes the entire tempo of the game, early on especially. The game changes a bunch when you are either lightning bolting yourself the first few turns to be on curve or grabbing basics and having a much rougher land base.
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May 26, 2016 00:49
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modern sucks so let's make modern worse. this is a good solution to legacy's price barrier
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born on a buy you posted:modern sucks so let's make modern worse. this is a good solution to legacy's price barrier Modern is awesome, anybody who doesn't like modern is wrong.
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born on a buy you posted:modern sucks so let's make modern worse. this is a good solution to legacy's price barrier Honestly Modern's pretty good right now
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Angry Grimace posted:The problem with No Reserved Legacy is that it completely renders Legacy itself redundant because its practically the same format with marginally worse lands and a few degenerate decks or sideboard strategies no longer legal and a far larger number of people actually playing it (sure I guess the cost of a particular deck could somehow increase more than $1000, but I find that unlikely in reality). The average deck loses dual lands. These cards are all pretty important to defining the meta, as they're critical in at least one deck: aluren candelabra of tawnos city of traitors cursed scroll dream halls eureka gaea's cradle grim monolith helm of obedience intuition Lion's Eye Diamond Metal Worker mox diamond opalescence replenish serra sanctum the tabernacle at pendrell vale plus a bunch of smaller cards (this list is not inclusive in all the playables) firestorm time spiral volrath's stronghold humility Meditate gilded drake academy rector chains of mephistopheles illusionary mask phyrexian dreadnought palinchron nether void null rod recurring nightmare moat Honestly, removing the reserve list cards doesn't touch the Top 2 decks - Miracles loses nothing outside of duals, and same with Delver (outside of sideboard options). It doesn't touch D&T or Stoneblade. Overall the reliance on duals probably makes burn and the like a lot more playable, and non-bolt versions of delver are probably unplayable. But the reserve list kills: LED combo MUD Enchantress X-Stompy (including Eldrazi Stompy) Chalice of the Void Decks (Mox Diamond) High Tide Plus a bunch of Tier 3 / brew cards.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Honestly Modern's pretty good right now
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Alaan posted:Removing true duals isn't really just that hand wavy. It changes the entire tempo of the game, early on especially. The game changes a bunch when you are either lightning bolting yourself the first few turns to be on curve or grabbing basics and having a much rougher land base. I don't think there was an argument that certain decks would be worse or even non-existent. I mean, it is what it is. It's that or hope for other people dumb enough to spend 1200 dollars on 4 pieces of cardboard. The problem with Legacy is very few people play it because nobody has the cards. If they could print Tropical Island, etc. in this set, it wouldn't be a conversation. born on a buy you posted:legacy burn in a format w/o duals is an absurdly powerful deck If its a separate format you can ban other cards. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 01:10 on May 26, 2016 |
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Sigma-X posted:That card is still cooler than Rorix. Babylon Astronaut fucked around with this message at 01:15 on May 26, 2016 |
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e:^^ my question was really, I guess "how many sets of commons vs uncommons vs rares" and if 4:2:1 was appropriate or if 6:4:2:1 was more ideal or whatever.Angry Grimace posted:The problem with Legacy is very few people play it because nobody has the cards. If they could print Tropical Island, etc. in this set, it wouldn't be a conversation. Here in SoCal that's just not true. There's a huge legacy scene. When I lived in the Midwest there was a much smaller legacy scene, but SCG supported legacy then so you still had a bunch of Opens to hit. Since Modern and SCG dropping support for legacy, there are few large events to play in, which means it's difficult to build a community, but there are plenty of legacy players around SoCal.
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Sickening posted:Modern is awesome, anybody who doesn't like modern is wrong. Lol
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Dredge losing LED hurts quite a bit as well. Need that lucky first turn kill!
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Sigma-X posted:e:^^ my question was really, I guess "how many sets of commons vs uncommons vs rares" and if 4:2:1 was appropriate or if 6:4:2:1 was more ideal or whatever.
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He's right though? Modern is the best it's been in a long time.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:He's right though? Modern is the best it's been in a long time. Curious how much a PT would change that.
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Rinkles posted:Curious how much a PT would change that. The last modern PT did change it.
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Rinkles posted:Curious how much a PT would change that. I think GP's being modern is enough. I figured at first without the PT that the format would lose traction. Turns out people want to play what they think is fun and what opens and gp support. It seems that more people show up for modern than anything else at the gp/open level. I look foward to the day modern is the dominate fnm format as it should be. 
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Angry Grimace posted:I was kind of laughing at how non-obvious it is what it does, but I'm guessing 99% of players could guess what it was intended to do by its name. I'm laughing because it's one of the few times that Yugioh has had a similar effect card with less rules text  
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I love Eternal Masters. Hydroblast and Pyroblast being included with great art is enough to make me feel sufficiently pandered to.
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Yeah but wheres earthoblast and aeroblast
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Judd Stackington posted:I love Eternal Masters. Hydroblast and Pyroblast being included with great art is enough to make me feel sufficiently pandered to. Where did these get revealed? They don't seem to have been posted in the thread. VV Thanks, those are dope. C-Euro fucked around with this message at 04:13 on May 26, 2016 |
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C-Euro posted:Where did these get revealed? They don't seem to have been posted in the thread. https://mobile.twitter.com/Adam_Prosak/status/735601109000036354
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The old arts hold a special place in my heart, but as the art in this set is going those are surprisingly not-horrible.
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The only X-Blasts I'll play have Goku on them. Also they have strangely cut corners. 
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Elyv posted:
This is a Breakfast Burrito staple
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GoutPatrol posted:This is a Breakfast Burrito staple you're not helping your case
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Elyv posted:also lol at this being rare What the gently caress. It doesn't even do anything.
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Sigma-X posted:
Merfolk and Delver probably switch places again in the hierarchy. having to play shocks in delver is a huge deal because of daze and how often you have to fetch to facilitate brainstorm. grixis probably dies since that deck needs to probe a lot too. RUG might survive and a UWR version with Stoneforges would probably make a comeback.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:What the gently caress. It doesn't even do anything. No, it does nothing!
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Good god, that art is atrocious.quote:also lol at this being rare Also the card would be pretty insane in limited at uncommon.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:What the gently caress. It doesn't even do anything. it was in a pro tour winning deck and was a central card in one of the funnier moments in the history of magic spoilers that's 2 things E: Some Numbers posted:Also the card would be pretty insane in limited at uncommon. Disagree. It's a 4/1, you can block and trade it off with some random dork and take a little bit of damage. It's fine, sure, but nowhere near insane. Also it would be more likely that it would be replaced at rare with some other jank. Why couldn't this be vexing shusher or some other garbage card that does something cool or unique instead of coasting on nostalgia Elyv fucked around with this message at 04:58 on May 26, 2016 |
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double posting but have a good card (It's Natural Order) Elyv fucked around with this message at 05:17 on May 26, 2016 |
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Elyv posted:double posting but have a good card And with good art!
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Elyv posted:double posting but have a good card So Terese Nielsen has three pieces in this set currently, two of which are new. I'm really happy about that.
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Elyv posted:it was in a pro tour winning deck and was a central card in one of the funnier moments in the history of magic spoilers explain the latter
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