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It's better than what happened with Superior Spider-Man. They didn't do something where he was being replaced with a clone while Old Man Steve was dying of a heart attack or something. They sure as poo poo aren't doing this during an anniversary issue, either. Can you imagine how worse this reveal would have been if it happened in the de-aging issue? Sure, Nazi Steve! This could be pulp and wacky as hell, do whatever the gently caress, Marvel, you crazy kids.
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Codependent Poster posted:So Cap was evil all along, huh? Killing Xavier was the longest con in order to retroactively be proven right. Also, this month's issue of Spider-man/Deadpool was incredible.
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May 26, 2016 01:23
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Killing Xavier was the longest con in order to retroactively be proven right. Yeah, I can't believe that editorial allowed Mephisto to show up and taunt Spider-Man over One More Day.
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May 26, 2016 01:31
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McSpanky posted:Now they should make Cap and Bucky gay. Break the nerdnet. The Internet is clamoring for movie Cap and Bucky to be gay. I won't read this issue for 6 months, but it sounds dumb and the only problem I have is the maybe death of Jack Flaggwho should have been kept in Guardians of the Galaxy. 
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May 26, 2016 01:42
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At this point I've been used to shrugging my shoulders at comic stories that I can't care. It's more the attitude expressed by people like Dan Slott, the "you aren't allowed to be mad at this thing we did that was deliberately provocative" statement that I'm barely paraphrasing.
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May 26, 2016 01:47
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May 26, 2016 01:48
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Rhyno posted:Nick Spencer is getting death threats over twitter. More than usual, you mean?
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May 26, 2016 01:49
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JoshTheStampede posted:More than usual, you mean? I was unaware that he got them on a regular basis, Morning Glories isn't that bad.
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May 26, 2016 01:50
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Necroskowitz posted:That whole twist reeks of a kind of edgelord nonsense that's been plaguing comics since comics writers decided to take the wrong lessons from Watchmen back in the 80s. Yeah, all other aside, making the dude Jack Kirby created to be a subversion of the Ubermensch into a literal Nazi is the kind of thing you shouldn't even feint towards. Like, Breevoort should've just whacked Spencer with a newspaper and rubbed his nose into the crumpled script while yelling "NO! BAD WRITER!" when he suggested it.
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May 26, 2016 01:54
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Mr Hootington posted:I won't read this issue for 6 months, but it sounds dumb and the only problem I have is the maybe death of Jack Flaggwho should have been kept in Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, I hope he isn't dead.
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May 26, 2016 02:14
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, all other aside, making the dude Jack Kirby created to be a subversion of the Ubermensch into a literal Nazi is the kind of thing you shouldn't even feint towards. Like, Breevoort should've just whacked Spencer with a newspaper and rubbed his nose into the crumpled script while yelling "NO! BAD WRITER!" when he suggested it. This is my problem with it as well.
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May 26, 2016 02:15
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, all other aside, making the dude Jack Kirby created to be a subversion of the Ubermensch into a literal Nazi is the kind of thing you shouldn't even feint towards. Like, Breevoort should've just whacked Spencer with a newspaper and rubbed his nose into the crumpled script while yelling "NO! BAD WRITER!" when he suggested it. Oh come the gently caress on. It's a mind control arc. There's been Evil and Nazi Captain Americas in alternate universes a bunch of times. There's a guy who's entire gimmick is that he's crazy fascist Captain America. Red Skull was a clone of Captain America for a while.  This isn't some kind of sacrilege of the character that would have Jack Kirby and Joe Simon spinning in their graves. It's just a dumb storyline in a funnybook. Trying to act like it's anything more is loving idiotic.
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May 26, 2016 02:35
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It's almost like there's another Captain America right now who could get a good story out of this clearly temporary thing.
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May 26, 2016 02:45
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Nobby posted:It's almost like there's another Captain America right now who could get a good story out of this clearly temporary thing. Yeah, even as a big Steve fan, I was worried that Steve coming back as Captain America would mean Sam's book would just lose all reason to exist. Steve being a secret HYDRA agent while Sam continues doing his regularly scheduled Captain America heroics gives both books a clear difference between eachother.
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May 26, 2016 02:50
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Okay he may be a nazi but he's clearly about making america great again
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I would cum buckets if both Cap titles were telling the same story from each of Steve and Sams points of view.
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Rhyno posted:Nick Spencer is getting death threats over twitter. The internet is stupid. Also I went to check if he said anything about this and got a good laugh out of his "Just in time for the movie" tweet.
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May 26, 2016 03:08
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May 26, 2016 03:09
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Norns posted:No. This is dangerous thinking. If you think I want to burn Captain America books then I'm sorry to disappoint, I support Marvel's decision to publish what they want. I still think it's a foolish story direction.
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May 26, 2016 03:26
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Mr Hootington posted:The Internet is clamoring for movie Cap and Bucky to be gay. They want everyone to be gay, you know.
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May 26, 2016 03:51
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Rhyno posted:I was unaware that he got them on a regular basis, Morning Glories isn't that bad. He's also very vocal politically on his Twitter so he gets a lot of poo poo all the time.
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May 26, 2016 03:56
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Mind control arcs are bad. I honestly prefer just making him an actual Nazi to that tired poo poo.
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May 26, 2016 03:59
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CharlestheHammer posted:Mind control arcs are bad. I honestly prefer just making him an actual Nazi to that tired poo poo. The cosmic cube is bound to be involved and it's known to change people's pasts. The coloring of the flashback might also be showing some fuckery.
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May 26, 2016 04:01
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Well....yeah that is how this usually goes. Still hate it.
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bobkatt013 posted:The cosmic cube is bound to be involved and it's known to change people's pasts. The coloring of the flashback might also be showing some fuckery. To be fair that's basically just an asterisk on top of this mind control arc. The Past is altered but it only affects Steve Rogers, so for all intents and purposes it's his memories what have been altered.
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May 26, 2016 04:23
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Also the world and nearly every hero was obliterated and put back together by a child a few months ago, maybe a few things went awry during that process.
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PenguinKnight posted:To be fair, we were warned about Cap thinking democracy is for stupid babies a while ago:
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May 26, 2016 05:24
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Regardless of anything, I think it's a poor decision to make your #1 a big "whoa man mind control but it's totally not mind control I swear" arc. I mean it's the same way Sam Wilson made his debut appearance as Cap in Captain America and the Mighty Avengers #1... by being a inverted-morality version of himself trying to fight the Avengers. It leaves a poor impression for potential new readers bahaha who am I kidding? New readers? Comic books? What a ridiculous dream.
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If Nazi Captain America can't bring in new readers what can?
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Girl Captain America? OOOHH ooh, Spiderman Captain America!
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Jiro posted:Girl Captain America? OOOHH ooh, Spiderman Captain America! Captain A-Gwen-ica?
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Yvonmukluk posted:Captain A-Gwen-ica? Captain Amerigwen? Capgwen America!
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The narration talks about time, and the lady who enrolls Steve's mom into Hydra is named Sinclair. That pretty much screams "Sin traveled to 1926 to nudge Steve into being raised to become a Hydra sleeper agent". The coloring in the flashback scenes is really not that subtle.
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Whatever the reasons for why this is happening it is still a terrible idea for a story arc considering its not that long ago that they did the whole "inverted" heroes thing. So we already had a lot of stories of "what if a good guy was actually a BAD guy!?"
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There's legitimate reasons why this would feel weird, but, as an examination of how fascism works by writing a version of history that fits their need for a convenient narrative they can sell to the disenfranchised, I'm willing to give it a shot.
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Goffer posted:Also the world and nearly every hero was obliterated and put back together by a child a few months ago, maybe a few things went awry during that process. The last time said child brought back a bunch of heroes from non-existence they were all the iconic versions of themselves. I really doubt he would make Cap a Nazi.
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Endless Mike posted:The last time said child brought back a bunch of heroes from non-existence they were all the iconic versions of themselves. I really doubt he would make Cap a Nazi. But the latest time the child was also around a man who had been around a bunch of cosmic cubes and has the brain of one of the most powerful telepaths
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McSpanky posted:Now they should make Cap and Bucky gay. Break the nerdnet. My only complaint is that you picked Bucky over Zemo.
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